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Renewal of Broombridge Irish Rail

  • 20-07-2016 11:49am
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    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭ pmcc1


    Hello,
    Does anybody know for sure what plans or timeline - if any, are set for the redevelopment of Broombridge railway station? I note on the Wiki article* that it is expected the station will be completely rebuilt this year in tandem with, or in anticipation of the new tram depot located just behind. However, on the LuasCrossCity site**, visualizations and engineering plans describe no alteration whatever on the Irish Rail side of the fence. Nor does the Irish Rail site make any mention and there is no sign of IR works at Broombridge.
    Is it possible that they’ll undermine the thrust of renewal which the new tram infrastructure brings to Cabra West, by leaving the existing, stinking mainline station untouched? It almost seems an invitation to continue nefarious business as usual at this notorious stop.

    * h t t p s : en . wikipedia . org / wiki / Broombridge_railway_station
    ** h t t p s : / / w w w . luascrosscity . ie / galleries / broombridge-depot


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭ yannakis




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭ MayoSalmon


    Existing station looks untouched in those images:confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    I understand from skyscrapercity that there are no plans for Broombridge rail stop at all. Seems incredible since they're there doing work on the Luas depot, but nothing surprises me any more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,781 ✭✭✭ Carawaystick


    I thought there's a new overbridge to go in at the tram stop end of the platforms.
    http://www.dublinluasbroombridge.ie/Downloads/PlanofProposedWorks/02-STRUCTURES/17_BXD_ST_30_D-0.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    I thought there's a new overbridge to go in at the tram stop end of the platforms.
    http://www.dublinluasbroombridge.ie/Downloads/PlanofProposedWorks/02-STRUCTURES/17_BXD_ST_30_D-0.pdf
    Yes, there is a new bridge across, but the stop itself is remaining in it's poor (very poor) condition.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭ Vic_08


    Yes, there is a new bridge across, but the stop itself is remaining in it's poor (very poor) condition.

    What is it precisely that you want to be provided there?

    A previous fantasist seemed to expect an overall roof which no other similar station on the network has.

    Hopefully the development of the area will rid the worst of the scum from hanging around so the station can be cleaned up and seating/shelters added but beyond that what else do you expect for an urban stop?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 Saipanne


    Every time the touch off/on box is fixed, it gets smashed to pieces. Is there any point in wasting money on this stop?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,169 ✭✭✭ 1huge1


    Well perhaps having a depot, there will be some sort of 24hr presence there, in terms of security, and being right beside the Irish Rail station, I'm sure it will fall under their watch.

    Also, the Luas stop I imagine will be used by the local population significantly more than the current Commuter Rail stop (owing to the poor and infrequent service on the Western Line) which should also help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,347 ✭✭✭✭ MJohnston


    I understand from skyscrapercity that there are no plans for Broombridge rail stop at all. Seems incredible since they're there doing work on the Luas depot, but nothing surprises me any more.

    The thing is that the "they" is a different group between Luas and Irish Rail


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭ Grandeeod


    I would speculate that IE are waiting to see how things transpire after the luas opens. Luas should bring some level of normality to an area that was previously a no mans land.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    What is it precisely that you want to be provided there?

    A previous fantasist seemed to expect an overall roof which no other similar station on the network has.

    Hopefully the development of the area will rid the worst of the scum from hanging around so the station can be cleaned up and seating/shelters added but beyond that what else do you expect for an urban stop?
    Obviously a fully sheltered stop is a bit ridiculous; but if you compare this stop to Ashtown, they're night and day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    MJohnston wrote: »
    The thing is that the "they" is a different group between Luas and Irish Rail
    I thought TII did Irish Rail work as well? If that's the case and Irish Rail aren't under the remit of the old Railway Procurement Agency, then all I can do is just facepalm at the level of idiocy and overlap in this country!


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I would speculate that IE are waiting to see how things transpire after the luas opens. Luas should bring some level of normality to an area that was previously a no mans land.
    Perhaps. Am I correct that Broombridge will be a DART stop as well once the line is electrified?


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭ dustyrip


    They seriously need to do something with this station anyway. Needs more security to deal with some of the filth that get on at this station.

    I was on the train from Maynooth a few weeks ago and 10 or so teenagers fully clad in their best tracksuits & white runners got on hurling abuse at all the passengers. There was four empty water bottles on the train which they started throwing at passengers. The bottles hit numerous people in the face. The train was stopped for 10-15 minutes at Broombridge. They also pulled the red emergency lead before they got off.

    There must be a few bad stories from this station every week. They tend to throw rocks and stones at the windows of the train too! Complete scum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭ Grandeeod


    Perhaps. Am I correct that Broombridge will be a DART stop as well once the line is electrified?

    Yep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭ yannakis


    Is there a timeline for the electrification of the line?

    Also, if you know, are they going to get rid of level crossings only at the electrification stage?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭ MayoSalmon


    YanisK wrote: »
    Is there a timeline for the electrification of the line?

    Also, if you know, are they going to get rid of level crossings only at the electrification stage?

    Timeline would be 20never:pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,347 ✭✭✭✭ MJohnston


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Timeline would be 20never:pac:

    Optimistic - I would say 21never myself ;)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭ icdg


    I thought TII did Irish Rail work as well? If that's the case and Irish Rail aren't under the remit of the old Railway Procurement Agency, then all I can do is just facepalm at the level of idiocy and overlap in this country!

    Irish Rail were never under the remit of the Railway Prourement Agency. It was a daft name for a body whose main responsibility was trams (though it also had responsibility for planning Metro North, to be fair)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,829 ✭✭✭ markpb


    icdg wrote:
    Irish Rail were never under the remit of the Railway Prourement Agency. It was a daft name for a body whose main responsibility was trams (though it also had responsibility for planning Metro North, to be fair)


    Trams and motorways, a natural pairing.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    markpb wrote: »
    Trams and motorways, a natural pairing.

    Definitely - there's all those international examples of trams running down the medians of motorways... aren't there?



    Of all the McCarthy report suggestions for merged QUANGOs this was the stupidest and yet they did it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭ newacc2015


    1huge1 wrote: »
    Also, the Luas stop I imagine will be used by the local population significantly more than the current Commuter Rail stop (owing to the poor and infrequent service on the Western Line) which should also help.

    I dont think there will be anymore ridership. The area around Broombridge is literally just an old industrial which arent even really open to the public compared to the likes of Sandyford industrial estate.

    My two cents is that most of the area will be zoned residential in the next decade or so and turned into apartments. The area is really close to the city and it doesnt make sense having 75% of those units there rather than somewhere beyond on the M50


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,347 ✭✭✭✭ MJohnston


    Are you kidding? Royal Canal Park and Cabra residents will flood into that new Luas line, it's an absolutely fantastic connection to the city centre and beyond.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,829 ✭✭✭ markpb


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Are you kidding? Royal Canal Park and Cabra residents will flood into that new Luas line, it's an absolutely fantastic connection to the city centre and beyond.

    Interestingly there are no plans to improve the existing canal tow path between Royal Canal Park and Luas Broombridge. No lights, no security, just a quiet, dark park though a rough as hell industrial estate with existing anti-social behaviour problems. I can't see many people walking between the two after dark.

    I'm sure the Luas stop will do well and will be a great addition to the area but ignoring access to the Luas stop seems like a huge omission to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,347 ✭✭✭✭ MJohnston


    markpb wrote: »
    Interestingly there are no plans to improve the existing canal tow path between Royal Canal Park and Luas Broombridge. No lights, no security, just a quiet, dark park though a rough as hell industrial estate with existing anti-social behaviour problems. I can't see many people walking between the two after dark.

    I'm sure the Luas stop will do well and will be a great addition to the area but ignoring access to the Luas stop seems like a huge omission to me.

    From memory, the tow path is fine between RCP and the old Rathoath Road bridge, then its short stretch to the Luas. Or you could walk along the Ballybogan Road I suppose if the tow path felt dodgy. I suspect there will be safety in numbers for most of the day, but yeah, they ought to give that stretch a bit of care and attention (its about the only bit inside the M50 that isn't great for cycling on either. This is potentially part of the Royal Canal Greenway plans, rather than in the Luas works.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭ PhoenixParker


    This is potentially part of the Royal Canal Greenway plans, rather than in the Luas works.

    It is and I've definitely seen a plan for it somewhere but no start date etc. In the pipeline yet.

    Here, found em:
    http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-planning-planning-news/royal-canal-greenway-part-8


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭ webwayz


    Hopefully the Broombridge/Cabra station will be improved with the addition of the Luas stop. It should allow for commuters from the Sligo/Maynooth and Dunboyne, lines to alight and take the luas into town, to DIT Gormanstown, or the green line luas.
    The station landscaped with the Royal Canal Greenway, and the Bridge where mathematician William Rowan Hamilton discovered Quaternions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭ SmartinMartin


    There's been major land-clearing going on on the piece of ground between the canal and claremont, just beyond the cottages. Would that be to do with the luas works?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ ongarboy


    webwayz wrote: »
    Hopefully the Broombridge/Cabra station will be improved with the addition of the Luas stop. It should allow for commuters from the Sligo/Maynooth and Dunboyne, lines to alight and take the luas into town, to DIT Gormanstown, or the green line luas.
    The station landscaped with the Royal Canal Greenway, and the Bridge where mathematician William Rowan Hamilton discovered Quaternions.

    Will Broombridge passengers have to change at Stephens Green for Green line or will all trams be direct services from Broombridge to Sandyford/Cherrywood?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭ Vic_08


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Will Broombridge passengers have to change at Stephens Green for Green line or will all trams be direct services from Broombridge to Sandyford/Cherrywood?

    AFAIR Broombridge services will go as far as Sandyford, a change needed to go beyond there.


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