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RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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  • #962
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Strazdas wrote: »
    There have been several suicides associated with this phenomenon (which hasn't dissuaded the vigilantes in the slightest from continuing with their 'activities'). The idea that these lowlifes are trying to help society is laughable.

    I mentioned that well known vigilante guy Stinson Hunter further up. His own family members have completed disowned him, so disgusted with him are they and it was one of them who informed the press about his criminal past.

    So because one guy has a criminal past, all concerned citizens are bad. I hate to break it to you, but some coppers are crims too. There are bad apples in every walk of life.


  • #963
    Chrongen
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    It doesn't, but using the RTE guy as an example, if the group concerned had just gone to the police and handed over their evidence, i'd imagine that he would have gotten the same bail conditions as he has now and gone under the radar.

    So he could quite literally move in next you you and your young family, without you ever having a clue that he was a nonce. You can be guaranteed that he won't fly under the radar now.

    Aren't the current terms of his bail that he cannot have any unsupervised contact with any children? How do you think that is enforced? I'm only guessing that he has to make it known to the Gardai his movements at all times, where he is residing, etc.


  • #964
    weldoninhio
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    You know, people have rights even if they committed a crime. If you go down that road then you get guantanamo bay, to bring it to extremes
    He should be punished for the crime. That is it.
    No social media humiliation, it is unnecessary no matter what you say, and it is purely for the entertainment/self congratulation of the 'paedophile hunters'.
    As Ive said before, the police are a lot better at this.
    If paedophile hunters cared only about catching paedophiles, they would simply send the text message evidence straight to the police saying a guy was planning to meet a 13 year old girl here at this time. And they'd respond to that
    If they left it at that, then Id say they're doing a great job.
    But the whole social media streaming immature 'we got you paedo animal!' thing is completely unprofessional and verging on farcical

    What rights was this man denied?? He should be humiliated. He's a nonce.


  • #965
    weldoninhio
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    Aren't the current terms of his bail that he cannot have any unsupervised contact with any children? How do you think that is enforced? I'm only guessing that he has to make it known to the Gardai his movements at all times, where he is residing, etc.

    The current terms of normal society are that 55yos don't try to ride 13yos. He didn't stick to that, what makes you think he'll stick to his bail terms??


  • #966
    [Deleted User]
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    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    If he was innocent, he'd simply say lads, you've got the wrong fella. There'd be no transcripts. There'd be no fake FB profile with the underage girls. There's be no penis pictures for the kiddies. Sickening apologist behaviour from you and the person thanked it... can't say I'm shocked though.


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  • #967
    [Deleted User]
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    There have been several articles about this in the UK press. That Stinson guy who featured in the Ch.4 documentary and was the head of the first main vigilante group was revealed in the wake of the airing of the programme to have spent ten years in prison for arson and it seems many other vigilante members have criminal records.

    I asked about this group in Leeds, from this video, in this case. You said they're all unemployed chavs with criminal records, just waiting on your sources for that.....


  • #968
    Chrongen
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Maybe you and end of the road (he thanked your post, quelle surprise) wouldn't mind a man who's happy to groom kids living next to your children but I'd certainly be grateful to know about the predator next door. He hasn't been convicted yet but he's admitted he was willing to meet 13 year olds in a hotel room. We wouldn't know a thing about it if it weren't for the publicity. He'd be on bail walking among normal decent people.


    And maybe you, Omackeral, would be happy if somebody went to the police and said that you were a paedophile and they just came along and put you in prison for 15 year without a trial or even evidence. Because that's what you seem to want.


  • #969
    [Deleted User]
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    How does plastering footage all over the internet determine whether or not he gets bail? Earlier on you expressed some kind of concern that an innocent man might might be mistakenly identified in a live stream....now you just don't give a sh1t.

    The exposure of them on a livestream doesn't have any effect on bail. What on earth are you on about?

    Well you certainly missed the point. The point was if he gets bail, people will know who the predator is and what he looks like and can take precautions to protect their children. Never said it affects bail whatsoever, not once.


  • #970
    Iseedeadpixels
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    Nonce :rolleyes:


  • #971
    kaymin
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Well you certainly missed the point. The point was if he gets bail, people will know who the predator is and what he looks like and can take precautions to protect their children. Never said it affects bail whatsoever, not once.

    Considering there is a strong likelihood that he was entrapped the corollary to that is he wouldn't have otherwise commit such a crime except for the actions of the vigilante group. I'm sure it will all come out in the courtroom and that's a relief given the marauding mindless hordes on this thread.


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  • #972
    weldoninhio
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Considering there is a strong likelihood that he was entrapped the corollary to that is he wouldn't have otherwise commit such a crime except for the actions of the vigilante group. I'm sure it will all come out in the courtroom and that's a relief given the marauding mindless hordes on this thread.

    He was entrapped by adding what he thought was a 13yo girl, asking her to meet, sending a cock pic and travelling to Leeds to meet her, while telling her to tell her parents that she was staying in a friends??? :confused::confused::confused:


  • #973
    kaymin
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He was entrapped by adding what he thought was a 13yo girl, asking her to meet, sending a cock pic and travelling to Leeds to meet her, while telling her to tell her parents that she was staying in a friends??? :confused::confused::confused:

    Do you know for a fact that he asked her to meet? Or was it the other way around? How did they become friends on FB - i.e. did the vigilante group approach him or was it the other way around? How did the conversation progress to become sexual - did the vigilante group lead it down that path?


  • #974
    [Deleted User]
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    And maybe you, Omackeral, would be happy if somebody went to the police and said that you were a paedophile and they just came along and put you in prison for 15 year without a trial or even evidence. Because that's what you seem to want.

    Absolute unadulterated bullsh*t of the highest order. If there was any shred of evidence and someone accused me then let them work away. Here's the thing, there'd be no evidence cos I don't do abhorrent stuff like that. Kieran Creavan though... well... and you can read this next bit nice and slowly if you need to friend.

    -There are transcripts of him saying he wants to sleep with a 13 year old in a hotel

    -He travelled to Leeds with the intentions of doing same

    -There are photographs of his penis which he sent to a number he believed to be a 13 year old girl

    - He has a secret FB profile exclusively for underage girls.


  • #975
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Do you know for a fact that he asked her to meet? Or was it the other way around? How did they become friends on FB - i.e. did the vigilante group approach him or was it the other way around? How did the conversation progress to become sexual - did the vigilante group lead it down that path?

    That wouldn't matter one god damn bit. If a 13 year old from the UK asked you to meet would you? Would that excuse it? Jesus.


  • #976
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    kaymin wrote: »
    Do you know for a fact that he asked her to meet? Or was it the other way around? How did they become friends on FB - i.e. did the vigilante group approach him or was it the other way around? How did the conversation progress to become sexual - did the vigilante group lead it down that path?

    They stated that they let the nonce lead the conversation. They know legally what they can and can't do.

    "All we do is make a fake profile and wait for men to ‘add’ that profile and start talking to us. We don't start talking to them. They talk to our fake profile. We always give people the benefit of the doubt, we always give them a chance to block you, some of them do block, some of them don't.

    "We don't use photos of children, because otherwise we’d be feeding them what they want."


  • #977
    Chrongen
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    If he was innocent, he'd simply say lads, you've got the wrong fella. There'd be no transcripts. There'd be no fake FB profile with the underage girls. There's be no penis pictures for the kiddies. Sickening apologist behaviour from you and the person thanked it... can't say I'm shocked though.

    Nobody is apologising for his behaviour or ANY paedophile or predator. Why do you keep insisting that they are? This gang might have had the goods on this guy but it's been pointed out to you time and again that there are many of these vigilante groups and they have tried to fit up guys who were attempting to meet up with what they thought were adult women. I can't understand why you so stubbornly choose to ignore that and the dangers this kind of amateur sting operation phenomenon has yielded and will yield in future.


  • #978
    Chrongen
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The current terms of normal society are that 55yos don't try to ride 13yos. He didn't stick to that, what makes you think he'll stick to his bail terms??

    So then why was he granted bail by a judge? Why is ANYONE granted bail by a judge? If once you are charged with a crime you should be locked up until trial and the concept of bail should be abolished, right?


  • #979
    kaymin
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    That wouldn't matter one god damn bit. If a 13 year old from the UK asked you to meet would you? Would that excuse it? Jesus.

    Actually it makes every difference in a court of law.

    The genetic make-up of people varies from heterosexual, gay, bi, preference for an older partner, preference for a younger partner etc. Only one of them remains illegal and rightly so, however, that doesn't stop the natural urges. I imagine most contain the temptation, however, vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing. That's entrapment and the courts will have to take it into account if that's what happened in this case.


  • #980
    kaymin
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    They stated that they let the nonce lead the conversation. They know legally what they can and can't do.

    "All we do is make a fake profile and wait for men to ‘add’ that profile and start talking to us. We don't start talking to them. They talk to our fake profile. We always give people the benefit of the doubt, we always give them a chance to block you, some of them do block, some of them don't.

    "We don't use photos of children, because otherwise we’d be feeding them what they want."

    That's not what the Irish Time article said about their approach in yesterday's article:

    'The UK groups use similar tactics. They trawl chat rooms pretending to be children or young teens in the hope of engaging men before asking them to meet in real life, usually in a public location like a coffee shop.

    If the target agrees to meet, the group shows up and confronts the man, usually in a highly public fashion.'

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...oups-1.3298543


  • #981
    Chrongen
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Well you certainly missed the point. The point was if he gets bail, people will know who the predator is and what he looks like and can take precautions to protect their children. Never said it affects bail whatsoever, not once.

    You have something of a point but I would guess that he will now also need 24/7 armed police protection on the taxpayer dime against the mobs who saw him on the internet thanks to these vigilante yahoos. That should run up to tens of thousands until he has to reappear in mid December.


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  • #982
    weldoninhio
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    So then why was he granted bail by a judge? Why is ANYONE granted bail by a judge? If once you are charged with a crime you should be locked up until trial and the concept of bail should be abolished, right?

    Why are there people walking around with over 100 convictions?? I didn’t bail him, you would need to ask the judge why he is out on bail.


  • #983
    weldoninhio
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    kaymin wrote: »
    That's not what the Irish Time article said about their approach in yesterday's article:

    'The UK groups use similar tactics. They trawl chat rooms pretending to be children or young teens in the hope of engaging men before asking them to meet in real life, usually in a public location like a coffee shop.

    If the target agrees to meet, the group shows up and confronts the man, usually in a highly public fashion.'

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...oups-1.3298543

    This is a thread about the Irish man arrested in Leeds. I quoted the group that caught him and had him arrested.


  • #984
    kaymin
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    This is a thread about the Irish man arrested in Leeds. I quoted the group that caught him and had him arrested.

    Well, I don't believe that group. I'd like to see the chat transcript and how they became FB friends as I don't believe the vigilante group didn't target him.


  • #985
    weldoninhio
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Well, I don't believe that group. I'd like to see the chat transcript and how they became FB friends as I don't believe the vigilante group didn't target him.

    They’ve handed the logs over to the police. As earlier stated, conviction rates have jumped from 11% to 44% with the help of these groups. You seem to be against this.


  • #986
    wakka12
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    That wouldn't matter one god damn bit. If a 13 year old from the UK asked you to meet would you? Would that excuse it? Jesus.

    It matters a great deal. As one scenario is entrapment and the other isn't


  • #987
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It matters a great deal. As one scenario is entrapment and the other isn't

    It matters in legal terms, but you’d still be a wrong un if you went over to meet a child.


  • #988
    kaymin
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    They’ve handed the logs over to the police. As earlier stated, conviction rates have jumped from 11% to 44% with the help of these groups. You seem to be against this.

    Why weren't they so quick to release the chat logs to the public as they were to release the video when they accosted him? Surely they have nothing to hide and everything was above board as you assume.

    How much of this jump can be attributed to these groups?


  • #989
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    kaymin wrote: »
    Why weren't they so quick to release the chat logs to the public as they were to release the video when they accosted him? Surely they have nothing to hide and everything was above board as you assume.

    How much of this jump can be attributed to these groups?

    It’s clear to see which side you are on in this debate, I won’t be responding to you again. Disgusting.


  • #990
    Chrongen
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Absolute unadulterated bullsh*t of the highest order. If there was any shred of evidence and someone accused me then let them work away. Here's the thing, there'd be no evidence cos I don't do abhorrent stuff like that. Kieran Creavan though... well... and you can read this next bit nice and slowly if you need to friend.

    -There are transcripts of him saying he wants to sleep with a 13 year old in a hotel

    -He travelled to Leeds with the intentions of doing same

    -There are photographs of his penis which he sent to a number he believed to be a 13 year old girl

    - He has a secret FB profile exclusively for underage girls.


    I'm not talking about Creaven now or what he did or is supposed to have done. I'm talking about your desire to see due process in the legal system abolished for a crime....any crime.


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  • #991
    kaymin
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    It’s clear to see which side you are on in this debate, I won’t be responding to you again. Disgusting.

    Like I said, marauding mindless hordes


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