Strazdas wrote: » There have been several suicides associated with this phenomenon (which hasn't dissuaded the vigilantes in the slightest from continuing with their 'activities'). The idea that these lowlifes are trying to help society is laughable. I mentioned that well known vigilante guy Stinson Hunter further up. His own family members have completed disowned him, so disgusted with him are they and it was one of them who informed the press about his criminal past.
weldoninhio wrote: » It doesn't, but using the RTE guy as an example, if the group concerned had just gone to the police and handed over their evidence, i'd imagine that he would have gotten the same bail conditions as he has now and gone under the radar. So he could quite literally move in next you you and your young family, without you ever having a clue that he was a nonce. You can be guaranteed that he won't fly under the radar now.
wakka12 wrote: » You know, people have rights even if they committed a crime. If you go down that road then you get guantanamo bay, to bring it to extremes He should be punished for the crime. That is it. No social media humiliation, it is unnecessary no matter what you say, and it is purely for the entertainment/self congratulation of the 'paedophile hunters'. As Ive said before, the police are a lot better at this. If paedophile hunters cared only about catching paedophiles, they would simply send the text message evidence straight to the police saying a guy was planning to meet a 13 year old girl here at this time. And they'd respond to that If they left it at that, then Id say they're doing a great job. But the whole social media streaming immature 'we got you paedo animal!' thing is completely unprofessional and verging on farcical
Chrongen wrote: » Aren't the current terms of his bail that he cannot have any unsupervised contact with any children? How do you think that is enforced? I'm only guessing that he has to make it known to the Gardai his movements at all times, where he is residing, etc.
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Strazdas wrote: » There have been several articles about this in the UK press. That Stinson guy who featured in the Ch.4 documentary and was the head of the first main vigilante group was revealed in the wake of the airing of the programme to have spent ten years in prison for arson and it seems many other vigilante members have criminal records.
Omackeral wrote: » Maybe you and end of the road (he thanked your post, quelle surprise) wouldn't mind a man who's happy to groom kids living next to your children but I'd certainly be grateful to know about the predator next door. He hasn't been convicted yet but he's admitted he was willing to meet 13 year olds in a hotel room. We wouldn't know a thing about it if it weren't for the publicity. He'd be on bail walking among normal decent people.
Chrongen wrote: » How does plastering footage all over the internet determine whether or not he gets bail? Earlier on you expressed some kind of concern that an innocent man might might be mistakenly identified in a live stream....now you just don't give a sh1t. The exposure of them on a livestream doesn't have any effect on bail. What on earth are you on about?
Omackeral wrote: » Well you certainly missed the point. The point was if he gets bail, people will know who the predator is and what he looks like and can take precautions to protect their children. Never said it affects bail whatsoever, not once.
kaymin wrote: » Considering there is a strong likelihood that he was entrapped the corollary to that is he wouldn't have otherwise commit such a crime except for the actions of the vigilante group. I'm sure it will all come out in the courtroom and that's a relief given the marauding mindless hordes on this thread.
weldoninhio wrote: » He was entrapped by adding what he thought was a 13yo girl, asking her to meet, sending a cock pic and travelling to Leeds to meet her, while telling her to tell her parents that she was staying in a friends???
Chrongen wrote: » And maybe you, Omackeral, would be happy if somebody went to the police and said that you were a paedophile and they just came along and put you in prison for 15 year without a trial or even evidence. Because that's what you seem to want.
kaymin wrote: » Do you know for a fact that he asked her to meet? Or was it the other way around? How did they become friends on FB - i.e. did the vigilante group approach him or was it the other way around? How did the conversation progress to become sexual - did the vigilante group lead it down that path?
Omackeral wrote: » If he was innocent, he'd simply say lads, you've got the wrong fella. There'd be no transcripts. There'd be no fake FB profile with the underage girls. There's be no penis pictures for the kiddies. Sickening apologist behaviour from you and the person thanked it... can't say I'm shocked though.
weldoninhio wrote: » The current terms of normal society are that 55yos don't try to ride 13yos. He didn't stick to that, what makes you think he'll stick to his bail terms??
Omackeral wrote: » That wouldn't matter one god damn bit. If a 13 year old from the UK asked you to meet would you? Would that excuse it? Jesus.
weldoninhio wrote: » They stated that they let the nonce lead the conversation. They know legally what they can and can't do. "All we do is make a fake profile and wait for men to ‘add’ that profile and start talking to us. We don't start talking to them. They talk to our fake profile. We always give people the benefit of the doubt, we always give them a chance to block you, some of them do block, some of them don't. "We don't use photos of children, because otherwise we’d be feeding them what they want."
Chrongen wrote: » So then why was he granted bail by a judge? Why is ANYONE granted bail by a judge? If once you are charged with a crime you should be locked up until trial and the concept of bail should be abolished, right?
kaymin wrote: » That's not what the Irish Time article said about their approach in yesterday's article:'The UK groups use similar tactics. They trawl chat rooms pretending to be children or young teens in the hope of engaging men before asking them to meet in real life, usually in a public location like a coffee shop. If the target agrees to meet, the group shows up and confronts the man, usually in a highly public fashion.'https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...oups-1.3298543
weldoninhio wrote: » This is a thread about the Irish man arrested in Leeds. I quoted the group that caught him and had him arrested.
kaymin wrote: » Well, I don't believe that group. I'd like to see the chat transcript and how they became FB friends as I don't believe the vigilante group didn't target him.
wakka12 wrote: » It matters a great deal. As one scenario is entrapment and the other isn't
weldoninhio wrote: » They’ve handed the logs over to the police. As earlier stated, conviction rates have jumped from 11% to 44% with the help of these groups. You seem to be against this.
kaymin wrote: » Why weren't they so quick to release the chat logs to the public as they were to release the video when they accosted him? Surely they have nothing to hide and everything was above board as you assume. How much of this jump can be attributed to these groups?
Omackeral wrote: » Absolute unadulterated bullsh*t of the highest order. If there was any shred of evidence and someone accused me then let them work away. Here's the thing, there'd be no evidence cos I don't do abhorrent stuff like that. Kieran Creavan though... well... and you can read this next bit nice and slowly if you need to friend. -There are transcripts of him saying he wants to sleep with a 13 year old in a hotel -He travelled to Leeds with the intentions of doing same -There are photographs of his penis which he sent to a number he believed to be a 13 year old girl - He has a secret FB profile exclusively for underage girls.
weldoninhio wrote: » It’s clear to see which side you are on in this debate, I won’t be responding to you again. Disgusting.
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