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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

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  • #4742
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    connachta wrote: »
    Everyone wants Marmion to be dropped, then? I kinda agree I have to admit :(
    If so, hope he'll be released for Connacht at least, for this WE decisve game. And rested the week after...

    I don't, for one. He has plenty of credit in the bank to allow for one poor performance. He won't be anyway, if he was going to be McGrath would have got longer than 2 minutes.


  • #4743
    stephen_n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    connachta wrote: »
    I'm already depressed, indeed.
    But I have hopes when Earls comes back for 6 nations

    Better get your prescription filled before February so!


  • #4744
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Yes, with Conway/Stockdale FB, Sweetnam/Stockdale on the other wing

    Hummmm......

    Distinct lack of blue in the picture you're painting.

    Vincent....
    McGrath + Healy + Ruddock + Furlong + Toner + Henshaw + Sextonbury; and so on are undoubtedly picked, and I agree.
    Leinster fans are so greedy 60% of the Irish are not enough, 80% would be barely "ok"...


  • #4745
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    McGrath + Healy + Ruddock + Furlong + Toner + Henshaw + Sextonbury; and so on are undoubtedly picked, and I agree.
    Leinster fans are so greedy 60% of the Irish are not enough, 80% would be barely "ok"...

    Your crap at maths too. 10 of the 23 v SA was Leinster.

    4 from ulster, 7 from Munster and 2 from connacht


  • #4746
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    connachta wrote: »
    Everyone wants Marmion to be dropped, then? I kinda agree I have to admit :(
    If so, hope he'll be released for Connacht at least, for this WE decisve game. And rested the week after...

    I haven't seen one person saying Marmion should be dropped??


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  • #4747
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,186 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    connachta wrote: »
    McGrath + Healy + Ruddock + Furlong + Toner + Henshaw + Sextonbury; and so on are undoubtedly picked, and I agree.
    Leinster fans are so greedy 60% of the Irish are not enough, 80% would be barely "ok"...

    100% would be goldilocks :)


  • #4748
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    'I remember driving out and saying to myself, 'this is probably the last time I'll play for Ireland''
    http://the42.ie/3708874

    Good interview with Keatley. He comes across as a very likeable fella. The way he's come back from those dark days a few years ago is admirable.

    There was a nice moment between himself and Healy after the game on Saturday. I remember watching the Leinster SCT final in 2005 where the two of them beat Blackrock. I think Eoin O Malley was playing for Belvo too. Luke Fitz and Madigan among the names on the Rock side with a couple of other future pros


  • #4749
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Clegg wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Clegg wrote: »
    Why do you continually ask questions you already know the answer to?
    I don't. Why Earls isn't enough "experience" to help Sweetnam/Conway to develop this back-3 around him?
    It's hard to help your fellow wing because you're on the other side of the pitch. So the player a wing will have most regular in field contact with is the full back. He can see the entirely of the game in front of him and tell his wingers where to position themselves. You can't see it on TV but Kearney is always barking instructions to his 11 and 14. Having someone with the experience of Kearney is a huge asset to inexperienced wings.
    That's the 1st proper point I've read for a while. I get why experience as FB matters more than wing experience in the squad.
    Still think it's not a good enough reason  not to start better and more talented option IMO (Conway, Stockdale or TOH, depends on who is best developed  until 2019).

    But you answered my question. Earls won't change much in Joe's quest for "back-3 ruling player". Thanks :)


  • #4750
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Former Former wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Everyone wants Marmion to be dropped, then? I kinda agree I have to admit :(
    If so, hope he'll be released for Connacht at least, for this WE decisve game. And rested the week after...

    I haven't seen one person saying Marmion should be dropped??
    In the "predicted lineups" on the pages before :)


  • #4751
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    The key there is in your opinion. It's obviously not Schmidts opinion, he clearly rates Kearney as a better player for various reasons and his is the opinion that matters.
    You'd swear it was 42 year old Girvan Dempsey keeping Israel Folau out of a team the way this is constantly brought up. It's a good player keeping another good player or two out shockingly


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  • #4752
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    That's the 1st proper point I've read for a while. I get why experience as FB matters more than wing experience in the squad.
    Still think it's not a good enough reason  not to start better and more talented option IMO (Conway, Stockdale or TOH, depends on who is developed the best until 2019).
    But you answered my question. Earls won't change much in Joe's quest for "back-3 ruling player"

    Conway and Stockdale have 6 (?) caps between them. You are looking to develop depth in 4 of the 5 positions outside 10 all in one go. That simply doesn't work in reality

    Define "better and more talented"


  • #4753
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,822 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Rumour mill is saying Adam Byrne is getting a start


  • #4754
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Rumour mill is saying Adam Byrne is getting a start
    Are you serious? And some don't see enough blue everywhere..


  • #4755
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,186 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I so hope this happens! :)


  • #4756
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    Are you serious? And some don't see enough blue everywhere..

    Kearney, Kearney, Byrne

    Do it Joe.


  • #4757
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Kearney, Kearney, Byrne

    Do it Joe.

    Heard from a friend today that Leinster aren't going 'to risk' Garry Ringrose this weekend. Could it be that...


  • #4758
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    That's the 1st proper point I've read for a while. I get why experience as FB matters more than wing experience in the squad.
    Still think it's not a good enough reason  not to start better and more talented option IMO (Conway, Stockdale or TOH, depends on who is developed the best until 2019).
    But you answered my question. Earls won't change much in Joe's quest for "back-3 ruling player"

    Conway and Stockdale have 6 (?) caps between them. You are looking to develop depth in 4 of the 5 positions outside 10 all in one go. That simply doesn't work in reality

    Define "better and more talented"
    For a FB?
    Missing few tackles even in dificult positions
    Not only "straight run and crash",  but sidesteps, meters gained after contact, sometimes offloads. Creativity. Brillance.

    Kearney is "order and law" for back-3. All right. For the rest I'm deeply convinced Conway/Stockdale/TOH are better. And will be by a wider margin in 2019 for RWC


  • #4759
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Heard from a friend today that Leinster aren't going 'to risk' Garry Ringrose this weekend. Could it be that...

    Mcgrath, sexton, kearney, henshaw, ringrose, byrne, kearney

    23. Mcfadden.


  • #4760
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Kearney, Kearney, Byrne

    Do it Joe.

    Stockdale surely a banker for left wing.
    Would be glad to see Stockdale and Byrne with R Kearney fullback.
    Two big wingers, be like having a Tommy Bowe on each wing,
    Should suit garryowens and making some hard yards out wide.
    Would look forward to that combination.


  • #4761
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    For a FB?
    Missing few tackles even in dificult positions
    Not only "straight run and crash",  but sidesteps, meters gained after contact, sometimes offloads. Creativity. Brillance.

    Kearney is "order and law" for back-3. All right. For the rest I'm deeply convinced Conway/Stockdale/TOH are better. And will be by a wider margin in 2019 for RWC

    Kearney is what joe wants at 15 right now.

    31 man squad for rwc. We have 40 in camp his november. Do the maths.


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  • #4762
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Are you serious? And some don't see enough blue everywhere..

    Kearney, Kearney, Byrne

    Do it Joe.
    Don't cry for Ireland, Argentina
    The truth is Joe Schmidt has left you
    All through his wild days, his Leinster existence
    He kept his promise
    Kearney's never kept his distance


  • #4763
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,100 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Stockdale, Conway, Kearney.

    I have spoken, harken to me.


  • #4764
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,747 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Byrne is the only player in the squad that hasn't played a single minute yet. Makes sense that he'd get at some game time. Sweetnam, Conway and Stockdale have already benefited hugely from these test games. Give Byrne a shot at the same.


  • #4765
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    For a FB?
    Missing few tackles even in dificult positions
    Not only "straight run and crash",  but sidesteps, meters gained after contact, sometimes offloads. Creativity. Brillance.

    Kearney is "order and law" for back-3. All right. For the rest I'm deeply convinced Conway/Stockdale/TOH are better. And will be by a wider margin in 2019 for RWC



    31 man squad for rwc. We have 40 in camp his november. Do the maths.
    The maths are : Kearney or another will be sacrificed. I hope it won't be the other one


  • #4766
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    The maths are : Kearney or another will be sacrificed. I hope it won't be the other one

    The maths are not everyone will go. But we cannot just exclude them now otherwise we are limiting the options.


  • #4767
    Wegians89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    How is Madigan getting on over at Bristol anyway?

    Found out there madigan is on 100% successful kicking from 33 kicks so far this season in the championship

    Sorry that's just penalties, conversations not counted


  • #4768
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    connachta wrote: »
    For a FB?
    Missing few tackles even in dificult positions
    Not only "straight run and crash",  but sidesteps, meters gained after contact, sometimes offloads. Creativity. Brillance.

    Kearney is "order and law" for back-3. All right. For the rest I'm deeply convinced Conway/Stockdale/TOH are better. And will be by a wider margin in 2019 for RWC

    So by the criteria you want not by the criteria for a fullback. Good that's been cleared up.
    Kearney is also no worse a defender than TOH or Conway. Stockdales sample size isn't large enough but even he's been caught out the odd time.

    Have you ever even seen Stockdale play fullback? He's got at most one or two senior appearances there.


  • #4769
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 20,606 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Stockdale surely a banker for left wing.
    Would be glad to see Stockdale and Byrne with R Kearney fullback.
    Two big wingers, be like having a Tommy Bowe on each wing,
    Should suit garryowens and making some hard yards out wide.
    Would look forward to that combination.

    I said it before, this would be an incredible strong back 3 lineup.

    I think Earls offers more experience and guile than either, but you can't hide behind the genetics of Byrne and Stockdale. They are powerful runners, good in the air and both have plenty of pace.

    It's also probably the weakest defensive lineup we have but if our pack does their job we should be fine.

    If that's our back 3 I'll be really excited. Not sure Byrne has quite earned a spot yet then again neither had Farrell or Sweetnam so it's good to see Joe experimenting a bit.


  • #4770
    connachta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    For a FB?
    Missing few tackles even in dificult positions
    Not only "straight run and crash",  but sidesteps, meters gained after contact, sometimes offloads. Creativity. Brillance.

    Kearney is "order and law" for back-3. All right. For the rest I'm deeply convinced Conway/Stockdale/TOH are better. And will be by a wider margin in 2019 for RWC

    So by the criteria you want not by the criteria for a fullback. Good that's been cleared up.
    Kearney is also no worse a defender than TOH or Conway. Stockdales sample size isn't large enough but even he's been caught out the odd time.

    Have you ever even seen Stockdale play fullback? He's got at most one or two senior appearances there.
    Stockdale has great running abilities to be a 15


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  • #4771
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    Stockdale has great running abilities to be a 15

    So does usain bolt.

    Basically for you its anyone but Kearney. You complain about not building even though we are capping more new/newish (under 5 caps before SA game) guys then anyone else this november. But thats not enough.


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