Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

molloyjh · 20-11-2017 10:45PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

RTE really need to put Joanne Cantwell on as anchor presenter for the rugby coverage.

Absolutely.

Burkie1203 · 20-11-2017 10:45PM

Marina Old-fashioned Locket wrote: »

but its not a case of dropping anyone but giving guys a chance.
best unfortunately is dipping but we lack real depth at hooker. that is a real problem area that has the potential to hurt us.

the 6 nations is where you build your squad, not autumn internationals.

Hooker isnt great but it isn't bad either
Beat, Scannell, Cronin, Herring, Tracy, Heffernan, McCartney, Marshall (Still to qualify). We have a lot of players with no real stand out. Scannell is the one I think we would hope stay healthy.

The 6n is the IRFU main cash cow. They budget for top 3. France spent years making 4/5/6 changes every week and they are a rabble now. The 6n is most definitely not where we build our squad for a RWC. If it was that simple all 6 sides would be making multiple changes (by choice) from game to game.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 20-11-2017 10:59PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Hooker isnt great but it isn't bad either
Beat, Scannell, Cronin, Herring, Tracy, Heffernan, McCartney, Marshall (Still to qualify). We have a lot of players with no real stand out. Scannell is the one I think we would hope stay healthy.

The 6n is the IRFU main cash cow. They budget for top 3. France spent years making 4/5/6 changes every week and they are a rabble now. The 6n is most definitely not where we build our squad for a RWC. If it was that simple all 6 sides would be making multiple changes (by choice) from game to game.

you cannot blame the irfu for their stance on the 6 nations, they need the money, no more can you blame every country that voted for France. They need the money too. A clear winner in france getting the world cup is actually everybody, even the IRFU. I read over 300 million euro promised by France, at that price it could be France every four years.

And i think we should try and win every 6 nations as we dont have many but you have to speculate to accumulate. we dont want to reach the 2019 world cup and having to tell carbery, you have rarely played 10 for leinster and have a handful of caps for ireland, now go win us the world cup.
worst case scenario, if sexton plays 10 for ireland then carbery has to start 15 in some games.

thomond2006 · 20-11-2017 11:13PM

.ak wrote: »

Personal I'd like to see;

Healy
Best
Furlong
Ryan (is he fit?)
Hendo
POM
SOB
Stander
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Aki
Henshaw
Byrne
Kearney

Tracy, McGrath, Ryan, Dillane, Ruddock, McGrath, Keatley, Conway

Conway needs the starts more than Byrne does right now.

Neil3030 · 20-11-2017 11:29PM

Aside from injury replacements we'll see the team that played SA, imo. So Dillane/Ryan on the bench, depending on the latter's fitness, and then Keatley in for Carbery. Am I forgetting any of the other injury concerns?

RichieRich89 · 20-11-2017 11:50PM

Leinster have someone the national team coach judges to be a 10 playing fullback. Ulster have Peter Nelson - a fullback - filling in at outhalf. In an ideal world there would be a swap, with Nelson going to Leinster to play 15, and Carbery heading north to solve Ulster's problems at flyhalf and get gametime in the position he plays at international level. There'll be too much red tape, and Leinster won't want to lose Carbery, and the players themselves might not even be interested, so I can't see it happening though.

Wegians89 · 20-11-2017 11:55PM

I can't see why Ulster didn't make a move for madigan in the summer. I know Jackson didn't get stood down from playing until after the madigan deal was done but they surely knew how serious the Jackson situation was

thomond2006 · 20-11-2017 11:57PM

Wegians89 wrote: »

I can't see why Ulster didn't make a move for madigan in the summer. I know Jackson didn't get stood down from playing until after the madigan deal was done but they surely knew how serious the Jackson situation was

Madigan was made an offer that in no situation Ulster could match.

Wegians89 · 20-11-2017 11:59PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Madigan was made an offer that in no situation Ulster could match.

He was pretty desperate to come back, saying as much on RTÉ news

Burkie1203 · 21-11-2017 12:04AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

He was pretty desperate to come back, saying as much on RTÉ news

Then someone knocked on his door with a lorry full of money. Decision swayed.

Wegians89 · 21-11-2017 12:27AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Then someone knocked on his door with a lorry full of money. Decision swayed.

Okay then the point is why didn't Ulster come in with interest before the lorry full of money arrived

Burkie1203 · 21-11-2017 12:37AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

Okay then the point is why didn't Ulster come in with interest before the lorry full of money arrived

And would Madigan have been aware of the PJ situation and maybe didnt want to go somewhere and end up at 12/15/22

Don Kiddick · 21-11-2017 12:40AM

EOS suggesting tonight that Carberry should leave Leinster for a while if he wants to get international gametime at 10.... Ulster might be worth a shout

Former Former · 21-11-2017 12:50AM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

EOS suggesting tonight that Carberry should leave Leinster for a while if he wants to get international gametime at 10.... Ulster might be worth a shout

It must be hard being understudy to someone like Sexton when you know he's never going to miss a game through injury.

RichieRich89 · 21-11-2017 12:54AM

Former Former wrote: »

It must be hard being understudy to someone like Sexton when you know he's never going to miss a game through injury.

What would Carbery know about that?

Bridge93 · 21-11-2017 01:07AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

Okay then the point is why didn't Ulster come in with interest before the lorry full of money arrived

Bristol were talking to Madigan as early as Christmas last year. Long before anything formal or official was said regarding Jackson and even longer before Ulster would've been allowed to say anything on the matter.

Madigan signed early March
It was late July when Jackson was formally named. As of early march it would've been illegal for Ulster (if they were even privy to details) to make decisions regarding the case. As of then Madigan was looking at being number two had he joined Ulster and on far less money

typhoony · 21-11-2017 01:15AM

right now would any of the provinces take Carberry as their starting 10, maybe Ulster but that's only due to circumstance they are in.

Wegians89 · 21-11-2017 01:16AM

typhoony wrote: »

right now would any of the provinces take Carberry as their starting 10, maybe Ulster but that's only due to circumstance they are in.

He'd fit in in connacht

Wegians89 · 21-11-2017 01:18AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Bristol were talking to Madigan as early as Christmas last year. Long before anything formal or official was said regarding Jackson and even longer before Ulster would've been allowed to say anything on the matter.

Madigan signed early March
It was late July when Jackson was formally named. As of early march it would've been illegal for Ulster (if they were even privy to details) to make decisions regarding the case. As of then Madigan was looking at being number two had he joined Ulster and on far less money

Didn't know he was talking to Bristol that early , makes more sense too putting details in that time frame thanks

.ak · 21-11-2017 01:25AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Conway needs the starts more than Byrne does right now.

Really? Two starts I think he's established himself nicely as a good fringe player.

We haven't seen Byrne tested yet.

.ak · 21-11-2017 01:30AM

I think everyone is missing the point Joe was making about Carbs at 10; needs must and for now Leinster's needs are twofold, to get Carbery on the field, and to fill in a test level player at 15. But most importantly joe spoke about Carbery's learning how to control the game, and that he's made consistent improvements.

Basically he's saying there's no need for panic, he's learning, and he doesn't need to be playing every game at 10. If he's going to end up there he'll get there, eventually.

Former Former · 21-11-2017 01:45AM

.ak wrote: »

Really? Two starts I think he's established himself nicely as a good fringe player.

We haven't seen Byrne tested yet.

With RK's injury profile and Zebo gone, we need cover for RK fast. Even if Conway is only playing on the wing, it's still valuable for him.

Byrne hasn't earned anything yet IMO.

irishfan9 · 21-11-2017 08:53AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

He'd fit in in connacht

shame for you he has no interest in leaving leinster

Wegians89 · 21-11-2017 09:25AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

shame for you he has no interest in leaving leinster

Not really a shame for me though is it, I was just answering a question on if he'd start for anyone other then Ulster and I'm sure you'd agree he'd start for or Connacht. I'd like to see him at connacht or Ulster but personally can't see it happening.

21-11-2017 09:36AM

Madigan's development really has scarred Irish fans for life. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a young 10 playing in different positions to get game time.

21-11-2017 09:39AM

AdamD wrote: »

Madigan's development really has scarred Irish fans for life. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a young 10 playing in different positions to get game time.

But don't forget, any players coming through that in anyway resemble any facet or aspect of Madigans play style or early breakthrough are automatically going to turn out the exact. same. way.

21-11-2017 09:46AM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

EOS suggesting tonight that Carberry should leave Leinster for a while if he wants to get international gametime at 10.... Ulster might be worth a shout

This doesn't make any sense.

He's behind Sexton at Leinster. He'd still be behind Sexton for Ireland, no matter which province he moves to. He already is getting international gametime at 10. It assumes Jackson is not going to feature again.

Marina Old-fashioned Locket wrote: »

but its not a case of dropping anyone but giving guys a chance.
best unfortunately is dipping but we lack real depth at hooker. that is a real problem area that has the potential to hurt us.

pom stander and sob look like first choice
we need to get conan and ruddock etc serious game time to offer realistic competition because currently the choice at backrow is not as strong as people believe.
and this is the case across the field bar a few positions.
the 6 nations is where you build your squad, not autumn internationals.

At this point you're basically the AAA/PBP of boards.ie rugby. It is irrelevant what Joe Schmidt does re. selection and squad building, like Tuesday follows Monday you would be on here saying he should have done the opposite.

AbusesToilets · 21-11-2017 10:31AM

How is Madigan getting on over at Bristol anyway?

Wegians89 · 21-11-2017 10:37AM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

How is Madigan getting on over at Bristol anyway?

He's starting every week kicking his points don't know too much other then that. Whispers pat lam is looking at dan carter too

Burkie1203 · 21-11-2017 10:39AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

He's starting every week kicking his points don't know too much other then that. Whispers pat lam is looking at dan carter too

Has carter already agreed a deal in japan though?

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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781