The robot that really could take your job.

Junkyard Tom · 19-11-2017 03:50AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFZjqVnWBhc

I know the words to this song and sing it every chance I get when I'm in company.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 19-11-2017 04:24AM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Lets just hope they are better than some of the bin lorry drivers around here. Suppose it does mean doing away with that Xmas tip though.

Naw, run out and give them a quick squirt of WD40, sure it's tradition.

Capt'n Midnight · 19-11-2017 12:37PM

eeguy wrote: »

“We can’t stand idly by while we wait for the perfect,” Rosekind said at a symposium in 2016. “We lost 35,200 lives on our roads last year. … If we wait for perfect, we’ll be waiting for a very, very long time. How many lives might we be losing if we wait?”

Currently loosing 21,386 a year due to suicide by gun.
And the vast majority are because guns are just so effective that there's little chance of intervention.

Working back on the on stats then if there were 22,161 suicide attempts then depending on what was used there'd be
21,386 gun deaths
1,640 poison deaths
1,130 cutting deaths.

wakka12 · 19-11-2017 12:46PM

Interesting and scary times ahead. I wonder how we will react to such high levels of unemployment. I know a lot , probably most of us, don't enjoy their jobs. Mine is fine..but I hate being unemployed. Even for just a month, I feel so purposeless, get a bit depressed.The routine of work is something quite nice that I took a bit for granted. Wonder if it happens many others

Pwindedd · 19-11-2017 01:09PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Interesting and scary times ahead. I wonder how we will react to such high levels of unemployment. I know a lot , probably most of us, don't enjoy their jobs. Mine is fine..but I hate being unemployed. Even for just a month, I feel so purposeless, get a bit depressed.The routine of work is something quite nice that I took a bit for granted. Wonder if it happens many others

This. So much this. My current job provides me with mental stimulation and a purpose. And I thrive on it. I regularly have to problem solve at work. Calculations and analysis. It's making me smarter every day IMO.

Samaris · 19-11-2017 01:28PM

fin12 wrote: »

They are opening a shop in cork that has no staff in it whatsoever, I think you purchase and pay for your things online and scan them through when leaving the shop. With self service checkouts, a lot of retail jobs in the future will be lost.

Well, and we come full circle. That idea was trued before, conpletely new idea back then. It failed, because it was too impersonal and put people off. I wish I could remember the details, but I'm 95% sure it was talked about in Bill Bryson's Made in America. I think it was 50s or 60s.

Edit: regarding work and unemployment, 18months of unemployment nearly broke me. The depression and anxiety became a black hole and there were many panic attacks at night. Is this right, that humans should be so bound up in the need to work? I suppose it is a continuation of the deep-set instinct to work all day, every day for survival, an indirect expression of the hunt for food and security that every animal has.

123shooter · 19-11-2017 01:36PM

Jobs to be replaced:- .............

Any and all office jobs ........... as everything will be electronic and anybody needing assistance will be communicating with software where you are given options.

A lot of manufacturing jobs.

A lot of food production jobs.

Most warehouse type jobs.

Most transport jobs.

Construction will change and houses will be built in factories so then become manufacturing.

Housewives will be replaced as robots have audio on/off switch.

Sanitary towel and pregnancy testing equipment workers will be redundant as the population becomes transexual on their 1st birthday. :rolleyes:

Last jobs going where humans are employed will be council officials, union officials and politicians as these people will put every obstacle in place to avoid change using money stolen obtained from the public.

123shooter · 19-11-2017 01:41PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Currently loosing 21,386 a year due to suicide by gun.
And the vast majority are because guns are just so effective that there's little chance of intervention.

Working back on the on stats then if there were 22,161 suicide attempts then depending on what was used there'd be
21,386 gun deaths
1,640 poison deaths
1,130 cutting deaths.

In Ireland?

Samaris · 19-11-2017 01:46PM

123shooter wrote: »

Jobs to be replaced:- .............

Housewives will be replaced as robots have audio on/off switch.

Sanitary towel and pregnancy testing equipment workers will be redundant as the population becomes transexual on their 1st birthday. :rolleyes:

A) a tad hysterical and

what are you on about?

123shooter · 19-11-2017 01:48PM

Samaris wrote: »

A) a tad hysterical and what are you on about?

T'was a joke.

Do you not read the news?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298715/Children-young-FOUR-given-transgender-lessons-encourage-explore-gender-identities.html

Samaris · 19-11-2017 01:55PM

123shooter wrote: »

T'was a joke. Do you not read the news?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298715/Children-young-FOUR-given-transgender-lessons-encourage-explore-gender-identities.html

Well, there's the news and then there's the Daily Mail

. Sorry though, Poe's Law in action

professore · 19-11-2017 01:57PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

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Care home owners don't really care about that, if the robots are cheaper to run than the wage bill, then it's no contest.

Families, HIQA, and the HSE might though

If I have the choice between staying at home minded by a robot or going in a nursing home it's the robot every time for me.

Permabear · 19-11-2017 02:07PM

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Except where they can’t. Or where the robots can do that.

123shooter · 19-11-2017 02:16PM

Permabear wrote: »

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That actually is a distortion of the truth although not intentional.

In the future you will not be communicating with people as office jobs and admin are the easiest to replace.

Critical thinking only needs a small amount of people and the short term 'degree' higher education boom of the past 20 years is over loaded and there is a mass shortage of skilled tradesmen.

The majority of the population has moved into the service economies with low pay and part time work where these people are also going to be easily replaced by automation.

This time there could be problems with the transfer of jobs......... as there was when it first happened with the industrial revolution. The last thing a country wants is idle hands as this could lead to all sorts.

But something else may come along and save the day yet.

jacknuig · 19-11-2017 02:17PM

hmm, Watson is IBM's artificial intelligence system. Already beyond human intelligence some may say. Capable of processing entire literature on any subject and acting on that information. For example, Watson will be used to formulate treatment in oncology as they say cancer is unique to the patient, so the treatment should be. It has read vast amounts of literature and takes into consideration every variable, presenting the optimal treatment plan. It will only present these plans, and will not suggest any course of action due to one fact; liability. That's were humans will come in, and they will take the liability. IBM don't want any potential lawsuits. This is already common practice in many workplaces, were the bosses just sign off and accept liability for any decision. So I wouldn't worry about AI taking over jobs as humans will have to validate many of these processes.

And the reason why they won't ever accept liability is due to the fact that ai lacks, and will forever lack (imo), human judgement. They are oblivious to say, sarcasm, empathy etc.

Ficheall · 19-11-2017 02:18PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Will that same robot comfort them in their dying days, care for them and their families, etc etc.

<Deathbed clichéd platitude mode engage>
"There are plenty more fish in the sea."

19-11-2017 02:32PM

123shooter wrote: »

That actually is a total distortion of the truth although not intentional.

In the future you will not be communicating with people as office jobs and admin are the easiest to replace.

Critical thinking only needs a small amount of people and the short term 'degree' higher education boom of the past 20 years is over loaded and there is a mass shortage of skilled tradesmen.

The majority of the population has moved into the service economies with low pay and part time work where these people are also going to be easily replaced by automation.

This time there could be problems with the transfer of jobs......... as there was when it first happened with the industrial revolution. The last thing a country wants is idle hands as this could lead to all sorts.

But something else may come along and save the day yet.

Which is precisely why the current "consumerism" came into being, products that could last many years are now made to fail after a short period of time, this creates many jobs in the retail trade and all other ancillary businesses.

Manufacturing was exported years ago to exploit cheap labour and to avoid the troublesome local unionised labour.

But all these jobs are low paid, so where as in the past only one breadwinner was needed to support the average household, two or more are required. Unless you want to only have a subsistence lifestyle.

In the 1960s we were sold the dream of only needing to work part time and have lots of leisure time as robots would do all the mundane stuff.

What happened to that! We now have to work longer hours than ever to have the stuff that advertisers tell us we "need" to have meaningful lives and because the neighbours already have one.

There are only so many "makey uppy" jobs that can be created to soak up the hours that many have on their hands, it seems to be easier to just pay them the dole and get cheap migrants to do the work instead.

But if smart robots start competing at this level, then what??

Permabear · 19-11-2017 02:41PM

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123shooter · 19-11-2017 02:43PM

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Which is precisely why the current "consumerism" came into being, products that could last many years are now made to fail after a short period of time, this creates many jobs in the retail trade and all other ancillary businesses.

But we now know this cannot go on.

Manufacturing was exported years ago to exploit cheap labour and to avoid the troublesome local unionised labour.

Globalisation under multinational companies is also under threat and has been seen to be detrimental to the native countries. Look at Brexit and the trouble in other EU countries because of this.

In the 1960s we were sold the dream of only needing to work part time and have lots of leisure time as robots would do all the mundane stuff.

What happened to that! We now have to work longer hours than ever to have the stuff that advertisers tell us we "need" to have meaningful lives and because the neighbours already have one.

Yeah I remember that and also in the late 1980's/early 1990's being told I could retire at 55 and I must take out a pension plan for this. It all turned out to be total garbage, but there still trying to peddle the pension myth in Ireland anyway............great money making idea.

123shooter · 19-11-2017 02:45PM

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This is very true and you would be surprised how cheaply you can live just by cutting back on consumerism without affecting your lives and missing out.

eeguy · 19-11-2017 02:49PM

123shooter wrote: »

This is very true and you would be surprised how cheaply you can live just by cutting back on consumerism without affecting your lives and missing out.

Exactly. Think back to the house of your childhood.
The only "gadget' would be the TV and house phone

professore · 19-11-2017 02:52PM

eeguy wrote: »

123shooter wrote: »

This is very true and you would be surprised how cheaply you can live just by cutting back on consumerism without affecting your lives and missing out.

Exactly. Think back to the house of your childhood.
The only "gadget' would be the TV and house phone

Phone? Ye were like royalty!

professore · 19-11-2017 02:54PM

https://youtu.be/kcAaWc0eLvw

19-11-2017 03:05PM

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You are in fact agreeing with what I said, however it's the consumerism that requires the second income to support it.

People still had cars and holidays in the 1970s all from a single income.

Jayop · 19-11-2017 03:06PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Should every company that offshores a job have to pay for the social welfare of the person they let go ?

Or alternatively should companies based in this country quoting for government funded contracts be entitled to charge slightly more than foreign companies on the basis that it'll take some one off the dole ?

At present the only back pressure for offshoring jobs is customer changing provider but when they are all doing it ??

I dunno capt tbh. But if all the jobs that are predicted to be lost are lost then who is going to fund the social welfare? There's not going to be enough people working to fund it so it'll have to come from commercial entities. How that's done is really hard to say.

19-11-2017 03:15PM

Jayop wrote: »

I dunno capt tbh. But if all the jobs that are predicted to be lost are lost then who is going to fund the social welfare? There's not going to be enough people working to fund it so it'll have to come from commercial entities. How that's done is really hard to say.

With so many businesses offshoring their tax affairs, the only way will by increasing VAT on sales. Which means that the consumers pay.

Permabear · 19-11-2017 03:20PM

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19-11-2017 03:31PM

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If robots this agile become mass produced they'll start taking the jobs that only menial workers can do, like loading bins into the bin lorry to be emptied o
They'll be no jobs left, who is going to earn the money to pay for it all?????

Its already happened those jobs are taken too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCTyasDmWrs

ToddyDoody · 19-11-2017 03:32PM

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They'll be no jobs left, who is going to earn the money to pay for it all?????

They took all our jobs, again?

The robot that really could take your job.

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