Would you contribute €2 per week to solve homelessness?

Prune Tracy wrote: »

But when it's so expensive that people in secure, well paying employment literally cannot afford to pay for accommodation, it's too extreme.

No it not as those people can just move further outside the capital were they can afford to live, so problem solved.

I live in balbriggan and commute across the M50 everyday to Bray. It takes me 1 hour 30 minutes or more sometimes to commute to an from work by car. It has taken 2 hours sometimes to get home.

All of my friends who live closer to city centre think Balbriggan is way out in the sticks. Its about 45 mins to city centre by train and 20 minute drive to the airport. Property values are more affordable here yet there are plenty of people who want to live closer to city centre and would not take a house in the likes of Balbriggan or Drogheda.

I visited hong kong a few months ago and from what I learned it was common for people to travel up to 2 hours or more via the metro to commute to and from work.

Similar can be seen when you look at London and some other parts of the UK.

As cities develop, jobs and demand increases and people have to move out and commute further as prices increases. This is not a phenomenon, its just something natural that happens all across the developed world.

Attitudes are going to have to change and people need to be told bluntly move to where you can afford to live. If that means outside of city centre, tough.

There was the exact same boom/bust property bubble/burst in the UK. Why is it that there is little to nothing in uk media on the same scale as here regarding the homelessness crisis?

Maybe they dont have so many in "emergency accommodation"/hotels because we are the only country stupid enough to put people up in hotels for free?

So people just have to move to where they can afford and the they dont bother to refer to that as a national crisis.

I am going to send £2 a week to the (non) government in Northern Ireland. Things are even worse there with 16,000 homeless out of a smaller population than us. I listen to Radio Ulster every day and watch the local news on BBC NI TV. I never heard any mention of what should be a national emergency there, never mind a crisis. If we had that many homeless in this country RTE would have to set up a separate homeless radio station.

We are blessed with such caring journalists and politicians who devote so much time and effort to the homeless. In the North they only want to talk about flags and language and they ignore the homeless.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-has-threeyear-housing-waiting-list-and-926-empty-housing-executive-homes-36144367.html

Permabear wrote: »

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That would be a step in the right direction but I cant see why companies would not not just invest in moving more operations outside of Dublin ?

Remote working wont be possible in all office based jobs.

A friend of mine works for HR for one of the large fund accounting services company. A lot of their hiring for some roles is outsourced to India who firstly call people to do a phone interview.

She told me that the guys in India sometimes call people in Dublin and cant understand why they wont commute to work in their Wexford office. They find this surprising as its normal for people to travel similar distances to work in London based office.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

of course not,
its not that easy


my biggest problem is that most of thehomeess are not doing anything to get them selves back right.
its harder with kids ect but single or 2 people could easily get back right if they put some effort in.

move down the country. find an old abandoned house
move in
befriend a few local farmers or builders etc
get a small bit of labour work off them in lew of a bit of food and few bob.
scavenge pallets and timber from co ops and farmers to heat you house.

if you were a good honest trustworthy person you wouldn't cause any problems. no body would mind.
they would even help you out by dropping in things that could help you out .

its all about helping yourself.


what annoys me is that on the news its all about homeless living in cardboard boxes. what's that about, get a few pallets and a sheet of plastic , make a water tight shelter fairly easily. you would be amazed what you would find in a skip.
if you were smart enough you would build a decent little shelter

This morning i heard on newstalk someone texted in saying they were 24 years old, just lost their job and had to pay rent of €540 which does not include internet. The dole is near €200 a week and room to rent can be got for €300-€400 outside most parts of Dublin if you look hard enough.

Im living with my parents at the moment and im a single male aged 30. Id like to move out soon but still saving for now. I might be better off staying were I am for now as there are challenges to finding a place to rent but of course not impossible.

I did email some explaining that ive not moved outside the family home before so im not able to provide a landlord reference. I explained I could provide an employment reference and mentioned that im working as an accountant. Ive not got any response back to my emails.

I came across one advert on daft for a bed in a room to share which had "vegetarians only" among the list of requirements.

So there are challenges to renting beyond just having the capital but its certainly not impossible and I think its being blowing out of proportion.

I think its just that rent is too high for where people want to live which is city centre Dublin and people dont want to move further away despite it being the norm in other developed countries.

hugely long distance commuting, and throwing everyone down the country, are not viable, sustainible or cost effective. outside the cities don't have the resources to deal with an influx of people and to build up the services would cost huge money. if people are complaining about housing people in dublin, they will definitely be complaining once they have to pay to sort out services in areas outside dublin. throwing people down the country can often mean those people having to give up their jobs, meaning an increase in the wellfare bill.
none of this has anything to do with political correctness rabel rabel or any other buzz term, it's just reality for a country our size. what is the norm in other cities isn't relevant to here as their whole culture and set up is different.
if someone is homeless and living in emergency accommodation they can only do so much as their income is only going to be so much. most are doing what they can, as they want to get out of there and back into accommodation.
the fact the definition of homeless has been braudened to include people who wouldn't be sleeping on the streets, doesn't mean there isn't a housing issue.

gozunda wrote: »

I asked the OP to define what they meant by the term "homelessness" a while back. Thread went feral for lack of clarity imo.

Maybe. But in essence he asked a simple question.

It's analogous to this question:

Hypothetically, would you pay a tiny amount of money to receive a slice of delicious cake that was guaranteed to satisfy you - and it will be guaranteed to satisfy and once you paid the money you'd be guaranteed to receive it. It's a hypothetical magic cake

Instead of people simply answering yes or no to a simple closed thought experiment they've become preoccupied with irrelevant follow on matters such as: What kind of cake? Define cake. What if I don't like cake? Who would be in charge of the distribution of cake? Is cake really the healthiest option? Maybe we should have a wider discussion about cake? None of that matters, refer back the initial question.

Just yes or no please.

In principle I would, but realistically you're just sponsoring landlords.

The real problem is our dogma of the market ueber alles. I know people are saying PS sucks dry just like 'the market' and is only looking out for themselves and I will concede there has been that too. But still, I believe handing over crucial services like water, electricity, roads, schools hospitals etc to 'the market' is a big mistake. Yes public services will always try to turn it into a cushy number for themselves, nature of the beast, but 'the market' is obviously doing the same or worse and will always be more ruthless about it too.

When people say private is more effective then I have to say thats true. But what is it they're more effective at? Not in increasing service levels only in increasing profits while providing the bare minimum they will get away with.

The worst is public private partnership where 'miraculously' you get the disadvantages of either solution.

CalamariFritti wrote:

The real problem is our dogma of the market ueber alles. I know people are saying PS sucks dry just like 'the market' and is only looking out for themselves and I will concede there has been that too. But still, I believe handing over crucial services like water, electricity, roads, schools hospitals etc to 'the market' is a big mistake. Yes public services will always try to turn it into a cushy number for themselves, nature of the beast, but 'the market' is obviously doing the same or worse and will always be more ruthless about it too.

I'm now calling the construct we call 'the market', 'the unicorn theory'!

weldoninhio wrote:

Open your eyes. Just because something might hurt someones feelings doesn't make it wrong. Sometimes the truth hurts.

....and what 'truths' would they be?

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Complete manure.

I have a 170km round trip to work each day - I end up doing a 13 hour work day 5 days a week including commute.

That's crazy - I do around about a 50-55km round trip and I wouldn't like to do much more. We originally looked at a place about 15km further out and I'm so glad we didn't buy there.

What's also crazy is my commute from where I previously lived was less than 10km round trip but took as long some days!

Wanderer78 wrote: »

....and what 'truths' would they be?

i dont agree with some of that post but i watched that mother getting her house on the news, put forward as a great story but the facts of the matter is why on earth did she have a 4th child while living in a hotel?.... and where on earth are the father/fathers ?.... Some watching that will say im going to keep knocking out sprogs until i get what she has....

Id happily pay 2 euro if it when to educating this young women about birth control and personal responsibility.....