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Mel Gibson "article" in the indo

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  • #62
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Prune Tracy wrote: »
    It's not an opinion - it's speculation, which is usually based on some evidence.

    As said, to expose his behaviour - why wouldn't it be that? It's less of a leap than your conclusion.

    I understand your empathy for men in the face of crazy demonisation of men at the moment - I share your views there. But jeez, I'm not gonna be going down the road of then demonising women and downplaying domestic abuse against one - particularly when I'm a woman!

    I take your point there, not my intention to demonise women per se but I may let my empathy take me too far.

    You can understand reading something that "all men either have harassed women or will do" and i look at my friends, my dad and my brother and think "f**k you they will".


  • #63
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    I take your point there, not my intention to demonise women per se but I may let my empathy take me too far.

    You can understand reading something that "all men either have harassed women or will do" and i look at my friends, my dad and my brother and think "f**k you they will".

    Get off the internet. There is none of this kind of thing in the real world.


  • #64
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    He's a genius, a great director. Not arsed about the rest.


  • #65
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Get off the internet. There is none of this kind of thing in the real world.

    You haven't met the bat crap crazy fruit loop I have to work with.

    She believes that any woman making an accusation of harassment, abuse or rape should be automatically believed and "respected" for speaking up.

    She's also used "patriarchy" and "phallic society" and wasn't taking the p**s!


  • #66
    Prune Tracy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Prune Tracy


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He's a genius, a great director. Not arsed about the rest.
    You're downplaying domestic violence by a non Muslim man? Such a shocker! ;):)


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  • #67
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    You haven't met the bat crap crazy fruit loop I have to work with.

    She believes that any woman making an accusation of harassment, abuse or rape should be automatically believed and "respected" for speaking up.

    She's also used "patriarchy" and "phallic society" and wasn't taking the p**s!

    So she's a nutter. She's not representative of feminism or women as a whole.


  • #68
    jonon9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭jonon9


    I dont know what it is but people get upset when they receive a sarcastic answer or something that doesnt fit there views this is AFTER HOURS, your gonna get your mickey pulled.


  • #69
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Prune Tracy wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He's a genius, a great director. Not arsed about the rest.
    You're downplaying domestic violence by a non Muslim man? Such a shocker! ;):)
    George Best was the same, they shouldn't have done it but they did. It doesn't distract from his work which is great. Without these eccentrics and weirdos we wouldn't have many films on screen as the Weinstein fall out has shown us.


  • #70
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    eviltwin wrote: »
    So she's a nutter. She's not representative of feminism or women as a whole.

    Possibly not, you might be right.

    She's certifiable though - and has daughters so it will live on!


  • #71
    Plague Maiden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Plague Maiden


    brainfreeze wrote: »
    I always wonder with these type of articles, how to the writers pick their targets? There is nothing wrong with a moral outrage hit piece every now again, however the article starts with:



    Mark Wahlberg has done far worse things than Mel Gibson. What makes Mel Gibson special and Mark Wahlberg normal? Why did she choose one over the other?

    Mel Gibson has said racist things, Mark Wahlberg has committed racial violence, even blinding a man for simply being Vietnamese.

    Why is Mark, the far more violent man, more forgivable than Mel?

    Answer: The Journalist doesn't know enough about either subject. Her gaps on Gibson are even acknowledged in the article - she probably has no idea about Wahlberg. This is not journalism, this is a badly researched rant created to capitalize on your emotions. This is the standard of a blog post.

    Mark Whalberg was 16 years old when that happened. Gibson had been getting up to no good as a man approaching his 60s. Also, that Vietnamese man was not blinded in the attack. He's on record as having said that he lost his left eye long beforehand.

    Otherwise I accept your point. These types of opinion pieces often go after the low hanging fruit.

    But I must say I find your fascination with Whalberg's criminal past interesting. At what point can someone move on from their former self? Thirty years ago Whalberg carried out an aggressive assault and racially abused the victim. He served the sentence handed down by the Courts and has since, as far as we know, lived a successful and law abiding life.

    What more do you expect of him? What should the media do? Highlight the type of person he was was in 1988, when he was little more than a child?

    What's the point?


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  • #72
    Jayop
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He's a genius, a great director. Not arsed about the rest.

    Beat the wife no problem, have an abortion you're a disgusting baby killer, right?

    Parody.


  • #73
    Ann22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,006 ✭✭✭Ann22


    Pac1Man wrote:
    I can't help but root for the guy!

    I know what u mean. I really like watching him in films so we can say we don't really love him just the roles he plays!


  • #74
    AlanG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭AlanG


    I agree with much of the article but I do believe there has to be room for redemption and reform in society. If he has learned from his past and they have gone through the courts then he should not be blacklisted.
    This is not the case with Roman Polanski who is convicted and on the run for the rape of a child but seem seems to be considered a great guy in Hollywood. Harrison Ford should be blacklisted for how he supports Polanski.


  • #75
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    But Will Ferrell killed Blue


  • #76
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    AlanG wrote: »
    I agree with much of the article but I do believe there has to be room for redemption and reform in society. If he has learned from his past and they have gone through the courts then he should not be blacklisted.
    This is not the case with Roman Polanski who is convicted and on the run for the rape of a child but seem seems to be considered a great guy in Hollywood. Harrison Ford should be blacklisted for how he supports Polanski.

    No he shouldn't.


  • #77
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Dubh Geannain wrote: »
    But Will Ferrell killed Blue

    Blue died doing what he loved. You're my boy blue!


  • #78
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    The greats are always the biggest bastards.


  • #79
    _Dara_
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    Very glad someone mentioned Marky Mark's disgusting crime.

    I've heard people (elsewhere, not on boards) excuse him on the grounds that he was young. You know what? He wasn't that young. I think most 16, 17, 18 year olds know not to go around blinding innocent folk. I see above that he didn't blind that guy. Oh right, well then the racially-motivated assault is gggrrrraaand so.

    Oh but he's so dreamy that his crime is no big deal. :rolleyes:


  • #80
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Jayop wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    He's a genius, a great director. Not arsed about the rest.

    Beat the wife no problem, have an abortion you're a disgusting baby killer, right?

    Parody.
    He has faced his demons and came out a better man, let's give him a chance.


  • #81
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Very glad someone mentioned Marky Mark's disgusting crime.

    I've heard people (elsewhere, not on boards) excuse him on the grounds that he was young. You know what? He wasn't that young. I think most 16, 17, 18 year olds know not to go around blinding innocent folk.

    Oh but he's so dreamy that his crime is no big deal. :rolleyes:

    He didn't blind anyone. The guy himself said he lost his sight in that eye years before.

    It was a horrible crime but facts are facts.


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  • #82
    _Dara_
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    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    He didn't blind anyone. The guy himself said he lost his sight in that eye years before.

    It was a horrible crime but facts are facts.

    I had amended my post before your reply.

    And, my point still stands. It was still a disgusting crime. He was responsible for a racially-motivate assault. Scumbag.

    And again, he wasn't that young. Old enough to know right from wrong.


  • #83
    AlanG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭AlanG


    AlanG wrote: »
    This is not the case with Roman Polanski who is convicted and on the run for the rape of a child but seem seems to be considered a great guy in Hollywood. Harrison Ford should be blacklisted for how he supports Polanski.
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    No he shouldn't.

    Do you have a basis for why you think a person making millions for and collecting prizes for a fugitive paedo rapist should not be an outcast in a decent society. Polanski is living the high life thanks to the support and advocacy of the likes of Ford. I would live to hear why you think Harrison Ford's actions are ok.


  • #84
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Holy crap, did he beat his ex partner?
    I totally missed that.

    I was going to come in and say, he called a woman 'sugartits' and had a dig at the Jews, nothing compared to what's been uncovered recently, but the domestic violence threw me.


  • #85
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭valoren


    Barry Norman the critic used to tell the story about Gibson at some private dinner they were at. Gibson said he was as tall as him. Norman, all 6ft of him, told Gibson who was wearing boots and was clearly smaller than him that he wasn't. Gibson got incredibly angry until someone diffused the situation and suggest that they turn back to back and he would judge. So they did that and Norman could feel Gibson, in his boots, going up on his tip toes until the guy said you're both the same height. Gibson vindicated told him 'I told you so!', while Norman placated him with 'ok, once you're happy Mel' while internally wondering what a ****ing fruit cake he was.


  • #86
    Pelvis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    Does he still have the beard? It makes him look like a raving lunatic tbh, he should get rid.


  • #87
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    AlanG wrote: »
    Do you have a basis for why you think a person making millions for and collecting prizes for a fugitive paedo rapist should not be an outcast in a decent society. Polanski is living the high life thanks to the support and advocacy of the likes of Ford. I would live to hear why you think Harrison Ford's actions are ok.

    I never said I thought they were "ok" but I'm saying that even if you disagree with this he has the freedom of speech to say what he likes.

    You should not have your career derailed because someone disagrees with your viewpoint.

    Polanski should be blacklisted.


  • #88
    Plague Maiden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Plague Maiden


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Very glad someone mentioned Marky Mark's disgusting crime.

    I've heard people (elsewhere, not on boards) excuse him on the grounds that he was young. You know what? He wasn't that young. I think most 16, 17, 18 year olds know not to go around blinding innocent folk. I see above that he didn't blind that guy. Oh right, well then the racially-motivated assault is gggrrrraaand so.

    Oh but he's so dreamy that his crime is no big deal. :rolleyes:

    The person that raised the issue was concerned with quality research and unearthing Wahlberg's hidden history, so I think it's only right that the facts be known. He didn't blind anyone. If we're going to hold people to task then let's at least limit it to acts that they've actually committed. People will have different views about when, if ever, a sentence is 'served' etc. and that's absolutely fine. But someone, anyone, should not be accused of something they didn't do, irrespective of any other circumstancs or crimes.

    And no, nobody on here feels that racially motivated assault is grand. That's just you being facetious and petulant.


  • #89
    Hammer89
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    He has a wonderful beard. Being a man incapable of growing a decent beard, I've come to absolve bastards of their bastard ways if they can succeed where I've failed in that respect.


  • #90
    Plague Maiden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Plague Maiden


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    he wasn't that young. Old enough to know right from wrong.

    Old enough to know right from wrong, but still young enough to have his crimes considered, by virtually every advanced democratic legal system in the world, to be qualitatively different from those of an adult.


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  • #91
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Plague Maiden wrote: »
    The person that raised the issue was concerned with quality research and unearthing Wahlberg's hidden history, so I think it's only right that the facts be known. He didn't blind anyone. If we're going to hold people to task then let's at least limit it to acts that they've actually committed.

    Once again, I've amended the post, completely new member. And amended it long before you posted your reply.

    I still consider him a scumbag. You're right, we can all form our own opinion on him.

    Oh and Wahlberg was treated as an adult with regards to his crimes. Guess the US doesn't have an "advanced democratic legal system" then?


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