Eir rural FTTH thread

Marlow · 10-11-2017 01:19PM

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

You'd be surprised what speeds you can get with equipment worth €300. I've used a couple of Mikrotik dishes and I believe we get around 500Mb/s throughput on a 10km link.

I have to do with fixed wireless all day long, so I do know. And no .. you'll get about max of 200 Mbit/s half duplex tcp throughput on 10km with a proper set of Mikrotik panels and using an 80 MHz wide channel.

If you want 500 Mbit/s throughput on unlicensed frequencies over that distance, you'll be in the 3000 EUR price range.

/M

cnocbui · 10-11-2017 03:35PM

Marlow wrote: »

Of course. Apart from that that connection always will be crap unless the routers are placed in windows facing each other and depending on distance.

A satelite dish, not really. But an outdoor wifi/fixed-wireless link would be possible.

You have to consider, that if you want to share a 1000 Mbit/s FTTH, i expect that your neighbor would want to see at least 500 Mbit/s his end and you can't do that with an half-arsed cheapskate attempt.

/M

A satellite dish can be used with a wifi antennae replacing the LNB to enable a wifi connecten over several Km.

http://www.skifactz.com/wifi/?p=159

Marlow · 10-11-2017 03:38PM

cnocbui wrote: »

A satellite dish can be used with a wifi antennae replacing the LNB to enable a wifi connecten over several Km.

http://www.skifactz.com/wifi/?p=159

Of course it can, but it's not going to be optimal as the antenna is designed for different frequencies and very hard to tweak .. the satelite dish has to be extremely spot on tuned. And you want to archieve 100 Mbit/s plus with something that wasn't designed for the purpose in the first place ?

To be honest: dedicated fixed wireless gear, that has antennae designed for the frequency, can be got for the same price as what the satelite dish and wireless devices used on the dish cost .. or less.

Why would you bother with cobbling something together half arsed ?

/M

enfant terrible · 10-11-2017 03:45PM

Have Eir dropped their prices since I last looked?

Now €45pm for six months followed by €50pm for six months 12 month contract for 150mb, free installation.

Then goes to €81pm but you can cancel at that point I assume.

https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

Marlow · 10-11-2017 03:52PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Have Eir dropped their prices since I last looked?

Now €45pm for six months followed by €50pm for six months 12 month contract for 150mb, free installation.

Then goes to €81pm but you can cancel at that point I assume.

https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

That's only if you book online and they keep the right to screw you sideways, if you forget to cancel before the 12 months are up. Probably even has a term, that automatically binds you into a new 12 months contract if you miss the cancellation date.

Fun part is, that VDSL/FTTC on the other hand (up to 100 Mbit/s) is 53 EUR/month disregardless.

/M

cnocbui · 10-11-2017 04:05PM

Marlow wrote: »

Of course it can, but it's not going to be optimal as the antenna is designed for different frequencies and very hard to tweak .. the satelite dish has to be extremely spot on tuned. And you want to archieve 100 Mbit/s plus with something that wasn't designed for the purpose in the first place ?

To be honest: dedicated fixed wireless gear, that has antennae designed for the frequency, can be got for the same price as what the satelite dish and wireless devices used on the dish cost .. or less.

Why would you bother with cobbling something together half arsed ?

/M

I was just mentioning the possibility because I had the idea a few years ago when I was contemplating how to get wifi in a particularly remote location. I then found it had been done and proven, so to speak.

Could you perhaps provide a link for this dedicated fixed wireless gear, out of interest?

I would agree, why cobble if there is a cheaper and superior alternative, I just wasn't aware that there was such.

A better solution, if a cable can be employed between houses, might be something like this ethernet extending transceiver that uses fibre.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 04:25PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Could you perhaps provide a link for this dedicated fixed wireless gear, out of interest?

All you need can be found at: https://www.irishwireless.net/ or similar places. Look at Mikrotik or Ubiquity gear.

/M

cnocbui · 10-11-2017 04:33PM

Marlow wrote: »

All you need can be found at: https://www.irishwireless.net/ or similar places. Look at Mikrotik or Ubiquity gear.

/M

Thanks. I'm not seeing anything priced less than several hundred €. Am I missing something?

Marlow · 10-11-2017 04:40PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Thanks. I'm not seeing anything priced less than several hundred €. Am I missing something?

2 of these: https://www.irishwireless.net/rb911g-5hpacd-qrt?search=qrt&description=true

That comes in at just under 300 EUR ex. VAT. And that'll do the trick.

/M

MajesticDonkey · 10-11-2017 08:10PM

Marlow wrote: »

I have to do with fixed wireless all day long, so I do know. And no .. you'll get about max of 200 Mbit/s half duplex tcp throughput on 10km with a proper set of Mikrotik panels and using an 80 MHz wide channel.

If you want 500 Mbit/s throughput on unlicensed frequencies over that distance, you'll be in the 3000 EUR price range.

/M

You're spot on, I was just going from memory (I don't do it for a living, but live in the sticks so had to improvise to get decent internet). Our Mikrotik unit varies between showing 10 and 11 km wireless distance, with P-Throughput of generally 200-250Mbps.

Could you perhaps provide a link for this dedicated fixed wireless gear, out of interest?

On the issue of where to buy, we used IP-SA: https://www.ip-sa.com.pl/
Polish company, but cheap and delivery is pretty quick. We use two Mikrotik Dyna Dishes: https://www.ip-sa.com.pl/dynadish-rbdynadishg-5hacd-plug-version-p-2457.html

In terms of Mikrotik vs. Ubiquiti, the one thing to note is that Mikrotik do not make nice, easy to use UIs - they make extremely configurable devices with every option under the sun available to set. Ubiquiti is definitely the one to go for if you're not terribly technical.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 08:35PM

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

We use two Mikrotik Dyna Dishes

The QRTs that I linked above perform better than the Dyna dishes. Just a better antenna design. Size and gain are similar though.

And as for UI: Mikrotik does everything .. they're basically a low budget version of high end Cisco gear, at least when it comes to the feature set. Cisco wireless can't get near them.

Ubiquity is easier to set up, if you don't know anything, but the quality is not same, nor are they as reliable.

/M

bfa1509 · 10-11-2017 08:45PM

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

You're spot on, I was just going from memory (I don't do it for a living, but live in the sticks so had to improvise to get decent internet). Our Mikrotik unit varies between showing 10 and 11 km wireless distance, with P-Throughput of generally 200-250Mbps.

On the issue of where to buy, we used IP-SA: https://www.ip-sa.com.pl/
Polish company, but cheap and delivery is pretty quick. We use two Mikrotik Dyna Dishes: https://www.ip-sa.com.pl/dynadish-rbdynadishg-5hacd-plug-version-p-2457.html

In terms of Mikrotik vs. Ubiquiti, the one thing to note is that Mikrotik do not make nice, easy to use UIs - they make extremely configurable devices with every option under the sun available to set. Ubiquiti is definitely the one to go for if you're not terribly technical.

Very nice info lads. I live next door to my sister, around 40m across a field so too far for an ethernet cable but close enough for a nice wireless system. We wouldn't be too heavy internet usage so a 1000Mbit connection between us would be perfect. We would probably save between €200-300 a year so it would be well worth investing in some nice equipment.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 08:47PM

bfa1509 wrote: »

Very nice info lads. I live next door to my sister, around 40m across a field so too far for an ethernet cable but close enough for a nice wireless system. We wouldn't be too heavy internet usage so a 1000Mbit connection between us would be perfect. We would probably save between €200-300 a year so it would be well worth investing in some nice equipment.

Jup. A dish on the chimney/gable end either side, properly set up, and you probably won't have to touch it for years. Unless Ophelia comes back and blows it down.

/M

10-11-2017 09:07PM

A pair of these would give you about 100Mbs if you're on a budget.
https://www.senetic.ie/product/LBE-M5-23?gclid=Cj0KCQiAuZXQBRDKARIsAMwpUeSbY-WI6lh5wxm4MO1q0LIPRYSei53F_z5QnQKlYHburmD9u9QhFDIaAh9gEALw_wcB

Paperjam · 10-11-2017 09:43PM

Hi,Eir have been in process of rolling out FTTH in my area in Donegal since mid August. At first when I checked the fibre rollout map I was the only house on my road that was not going to be serviced by the rollout even though the fibre line on poll is on same poll as my existing Eir landline comes from. I contacted openeir and had just given up on hearing a reply from them when this week I got a email from a guy called John, emailed to say “Just to update you, your address will be included in the fibre roll out plan.” Only thing the fibre rollout map still says I won’t be included and when I tried to order it I keep getting told it’s not available even though I know of two neighbors to my right have already had it installed. I was wondering can I take this email as conformation I will be included in rollout or are Openeir/Eir just trying get me off there case. I was just about to install a outdoor wireless solution to a location about 2km away to get a fibre connection.

The Cush · 10-11-2017 09:46PM

I have a pair of Nanostation2 Loco units setup between 2 houses for more than 7 years, survived all the storms, including Ophelia, since then with the Nanostation AP very exposed to the elements on a TV aerial mast, very durable units.

KeRbDoG · 10-11-2017 10:50PM

Is sharing of Eir's services to another house is against their TOS? I can't find it documented from a quick search

Marlow · 10-11-2017 11:00PM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Is sharing of Eir's services to another house is against their TOS? I can't find it documented from a quick search

It's hardly something they can enforce or trace, even if it was in the TOS. Because, how to distinguish between people in the same house sharing it or neighbors ?

As I stated previously: the problem is not sharing it. The problem is, if you trust the people, you're sharing it with. Because the account holder is responsible for the content that gets accessed using the connection.

/M

9726_9726 · 11-11-2017 12:30PM

One thing to be aware of if you are going to share an Eir connection is the 1TB usage limit. If your neighbour blasts away and you blast away, who will pay for the €100 monthly potential overcharge? What if you are of the opinion that you couldn't possibly have used it?

Overcharge: Property of Ned Flanders.

oscarBravo · 11-11-2017 01:17PM

So I got a call from KN yesterday and the engineer showed up this morning, a week or so ahead of schedule. I pointed out where the three poles will need to be installed to get a line to me, he duly made a note of them and submitted the build request.

It's an awkward build. Where the poles need to go there is a ditch with a drain either side of it - one in the field, a smaller one beside the road - and there's a 10kV overhead line in the field.

I'm not confident of getting installed this year.

ED E · 11-11-2017 01:34PM

Poles on your land are one thing, ones its on the public roadway you've got a chunk of paperwork which will push you down the WO list.

(Ya know yourself anyways)

Marlow · 11-11-2017 02:24PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

I'm not confident of getting installed this year.

And then there's problem, that once it goes into December, there's about a month of practically nothing happening. Most networks and CoCo freeze all build activity.

/M

oscarBravo · 11-11-2017 03:44PM

Part of me is tempted to try to sneak a duct along one of the drains to save all the faffing with poles, but that would require me to manage the road crossing myself. And then another part of me wonders why I should save open eir the time and money.

That said, I've seen situations where poles and/or ducts are required dragging on for months, and I don't know that I want to wait that long.

sean72 · 13-11-2017 12:26PM

Guys whats the standard Eir modem/router model now and is it easy to switch off the wifi and manage that with better a router setup

sean72 · 13-11-2017 02:01PM

cnocbui wrote: »

I was just mentioning the possibility because I had the idea a few years ago when I was contemplating how to get wifi in a particularly remote location. I then found it had been done and proven, so to speak.

Could you perhaps provide a link for this dedicated fixed wireless gear, out of interest?

I would agree, why cobble if there is a cheaper and superior alternative, I just wasn't aware that there was such.

A better solution, if a cable can be employed between houses, might be something like this ethernet extending transceiver that uses fibre.

I know someone who set this up and said its been working flawlessly for over 2 years.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-CPE510-Outdoor-Centralized-Management/dp/B00N3SW7X4

Marlow · 13-11-2017 02:40PM

sean72 wrote: »

Guys whats the standard Eir modem/router model now and is it easy to switch off the wifi and manage that with better a router setup

It's the F2000, which is manufactured by Huawei ... and it's ***** .... Generally, I'd just bin it and replace it with something better.

/M

sean72 · 13-11-2017 02:51PM

Marlow wrote: »

It's the F2000, which is manufactured by Huawei ... and it's ***** .... Generally, I'd just bin it and replace it with something better.

/M

Well I was hoping to just shut down the wifi and use my AirPort Extreme as the wifi router. I take the settings are easy to access and disable the wifi?

Marlow · 13-11-2017 02:52PM

sean72 wrote: »

Well I was hoping to just shut down the wifi and use my AirPort Extreme as the wifi router. I take the settings are easy to access and disable the wifi?

The settings are available yes. The F2000 just doesn't always do, what you tell it in the configuration (like reverts to default, reverts to the last settings or plainly ignores your settings).

/M

Gonzo · 13-11-2017 02:53PM

the F2000 is great for wired internet with low pings, but yeah the wifi on it is complete dirt.

sean72 · 13-11-2017 02:56PM

Marlow wrote: »

The settings are available yes. The F2000 just doesn't always do, what you tell it in the configuration (like reverts to default, reverts to the last settings or plainly ignores your settings).

/M

Gonzo wrote: »

the F2000 is great for wired internet with low pings, but yeah the wifi on it is complete dirt.

Sounds like I'll be having fun. I can't stand the thought of poor coverage. I have to laugh at the amount of people who have super internet speed but have to sit in a particular part of some distant room to get on the wifi.

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