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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

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  • #242
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I believe GA will not be able to operate in DB colours as they are copyrighted as they are part of DBs corporate identity which is fair enough but my question does this copyright and corporate identity extend to the interiors of the buses ie the seat patterns signage on buses etc..

    Yellow poles, etc. not a hope, that is very common on buses world over.

    Seat patterns, maybe, if it is copyrighted by DB rather then being off the shelf from manufacturer, wouldn't be hard to change anyway.

    I'm not sure what you mean by signage, I assume it will have NTA maps, etc.
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    As for thing like ticket machines I could only hope that bus connects will sort out like these and new ticket machines/leap validators could be introduced.

    Oh god please....!


  • #243
    Stephen15
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    bk wrote: »
    Yellow poles, etc. not a hope, that is very common on buses world over.

    Seat patterns, maybe, if it is copyrighted by DB rather then being off the shelf from manufacturer, wouldn't be hard to change anyway.

    I'm not sure what you mean by signage, I assume it will have NTA maps, etc.

    What I meant by signage is for example the "no smoking", "CCTV in operation signs" etc. that appear on DB presently. Would these types signs be DB copyright or could GA or The NTA use them


  • #244
    bk
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    What I meant by signage is for example the "no smoking", "CCTV in operation signs" etc. that appear on DB presently. Would these types signs be DB copyright or could GA or The NTA use them

    Unless they specifically have the DB logo on them, I couldn't imagine it being an issue.


  • #245
    liger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭liger


    bebeman wrote: »
    Lets wait and see if Go ahead have a better system. If they do fantastic, if not, you will just have to suck it up like every marked in driver has.

    I've been marked in for years, That doesn't mean that I have to agree with the system that's in place, nor do I believe that because I was forced to do 10 years as a spare man that it's okay for the unions not to attack the situation to prevent new drivers from suffering the same fate.
    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Can DB claim ownership of the interior livery choices (seat colours, yellow poles etc) as well as the exterior or is that just what the manufacture provides?

    Plenty of ex DB fleet being worked by private coaches that still have DB everything inside. I guess it would be hard to take GA to court to suddenly demand copyright now.


  • #246
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,591 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    liger wrote: »
    Plenty of ex DB fleet being worked by private coaches that still have DB everything inside. I guess it would be hard to take GA to court to suddenly demand copyright now.

    You'd hope so but I can imagine DB trying anything to make life harder if they thought they could get away with it.


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  • #247
    L1011
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    bk wrote: »
    Unless they specifically have the DB logo on them, I couldn't imagine it being an issue.

    They are printed in a font commissioned and owned by CIE I think


  • #248
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,774 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bebeman wrote: »
    2, Marked in, if so will move , but not if spare.
    3,
    It's extremely unlikely they'll have such an insane concept. Everyone's rosters are better without it


  • #249
    bk
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    L1011 wrote: »
    They are printed in a font commissioned and owned by CIE I think

    They might have to replace them so.

    But could you imagine the kerfuffle of a 100% government owned CIE suing the government! I don't think it would be likely to happen.


  • #250
    L1011
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    http://pardueassociates.com/projects/cie-the-irish-transport-authority

    In the past there was a lot more online about the CIE 2000 font; does appear to be what the onboard signage is in still.

    Cost of replacing a few plaques isn't going to run that high anyway.


  • #251
    [Deleted User]
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    The yellow poles I believe are an accessibility requirement so they would have to stay. The AVs originally had silver chromed poles but had to be repainted.


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  • #252
    Dyr
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    L1011 wrote: »
    http://pardueassociates.com/projects/cie-the-irish-transport-authority

    In the past there was a lot more online about the CIE 2000 font; does appear to be what the onboard signage is in still.

    Cost of replacing a few plaques isn't going to run that high anyway.

    the dublin bus timetable font and design cost a fortune and it was awful


  • #253
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,885 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Dublinbuses.com has given an update to say that further Streetlites from Wrights ordered by the NTA will be with GA.
    12 GTs and 48 SGs are to be removed from the current Dublin Bus fleet during 2018 by the NTA to be provided for new operator Go-Ahead. These 60 displaced buses, plus 40 older buses will be replaced by a new order of 100 SGs commencing delivery to Dublin Bus from February 2018. Further deliveries of WS type buses will be ordered by the NTA to be operated by Go-Ahead.

    Are there not Dublin Bus plaques visible on the driver seat doors? Do all of the soon transferred buses currently have them?


  • #254
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Dublinbuses.com has given an update to say that further Streetlites from Wrights ordered by the NTA will be with GA.

    Are there not Dublin Bus plaques visible on the driver seat doors? Do all of the soon transferred buses currently have them?

    It should be noted that the NTA only have call on Bus Atha Cliath vehicles after 2012.

    Thus,only GT and SG types are involved in the allocation to be transferred to Go-Ahead Dublin.

    The older buses mentioned are those now falling outside the 14 year age limit for PSO work,but bearing in mind that the NTA may decide to extend this age limit in recognition of the capacity issues now reaching crisis levels on some corridors.


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  • #255
    devnull
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    On the topic of Streetlites, the first one has now been delivered to Dublin Bus.

    See the last three images here:
    http://www.dublinbuses.com/ws/wsindex.html


  • #256
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    So it will be 1st time db will have anything without a Volvo plant since 1994 when they started using them.


  • #257
    L1011
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    So it will be 1st time db will have anything without a Volvo plant since 1994 when they started using them.

    The DTs don't have Volvo engines, and the Imps didn't either so I think they've continuously had (some) non Volvo kit.


  • #258
    Stephen15
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    devnull wrote: »
    On the topic of Streetlites, the first one has now been delivered to Dublin Bus.

    See the last three images here:
    http://www.dublinbuses.com/ws/wsindex.html

    They should have middle doors IMO. Bit of weird looking bus aswell.


  • #259
    devnull
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    They should have middle doors IMO.

    Don't think they should, they're too small to have middle doors if you ask me, they're a midi bus, not a full size single deck.


  • #260
    bk
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    They should have middle doors IMO.

    Of course I'd normally agree and I did think it when I looked at the pics. But I assume these are only for the very quietest of local routes. They look to be almost half the size of the single deckers in Cork, so I'm not sure they'd even have enough room for a second door.


  • #261
    devnull
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    bk wrote: »
    Of course I'd normally agree and I did think it when I looked at the pics. But I assume these are only for the very quietest of local routes. They look to be almost half the size of the single deckers in Cork, so I'm not sure they'd even have enough room for a second door.

    I believe the Dublin Bus Streetlites are 10.2m.

    Aircoach have a Streetlite Max at the airport with two doors which is 11.5m.

    The Volvo / Wright Eclipse single deckers in Cork would be 12.1m.


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  • #262
    bk
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    devnull wrote: »
    I believe the Dublin Bus Streetlites are 10.2m.

    Aircoach have a Streetlite Max at the airport with two doors which is 11.5m.

    The Volvo / Wright Eclipse single deckers in Cork would be 12.1m.

    Ah, ok, clearly not as small as it looks in the picture so. Thanks


  • #263
    L1011
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    bk wrote: »
    Of course I'd normally agree and I did think it when I looked at the pics. But I assume these are only for the very quietest of local routes. They look to be almost half the size of the single deckers in Cork, so I'm not sure they'd even have enough room for a second door.

    In DB use, they're for one specific route, the 44B which is extremely quiet.

    What the rest of the order will be used for looks to be light orbital services.


  • #264
    devnull
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    L1011 wrote: »
    In DB use, they're for one specific route, the 44B which is extremely quiet.

    What the rest of the order will be used for looks to be light orbital services.

    They may end up going for longer versions such as the 10.8m or 11.5m for the other routes, from what I believe the 44B requires a short vehicle because of the nature of the route so might be scope for two doors on those.


  • #265
    dublinman1990
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    I've just seen some comparison photos here between WV52 & WS1 from Dublinbuscc on Facebook.

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  • #266
    dfx-
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    I've heard about the 'upcoming' DB fleet expansion now for several years and every year it will be included with the new batch of buses. Now buses are being redirected to someone else and still old and very good AVs are still being taken off the road.

    Is the Dublin Bus fleet expansion only going to happen when we all have flying cars?


  • #267
    Cookie_Monster
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    Seems a bit of a wasted opportunity not to deliver them in new spec NTA livery so soon before it'll be required anyway.


  • #268
    punisher5112
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    L1011 wrote: »
    The DTs don't have Volvo engines, and the Imps didn't either so I think they've continuously had (some) non Volvo kit.

    Forgot about the imps, and the daf back which in ,94 for the daf and up to 98 for the imp.


  • #269
    KD345
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    dfx- wrote: »
    I've heard about the 'upcoming' DB fleet expansion now for several years and every year it will be included with the new batch of buses. Now buses are being redirected to someone else and still old and very good AVs are still being taken off the road.

    Is the Dublin Bus fleet expansion only going to happen when we all have flying cars?

    The Dublin Bus fleet has expanded by over 70 buses in the last three years alone, with a fleet size of now just over 1000 buses. There have been enhancements to routes like the 15, 39a, 145, 84x and new routes introduced such as the college services to DCU, 39x, 68x etc.


  • #270
    brokenarms
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    If there is expansion happening. Where are they going to park them? All garages are stuffed full as far as have heard.


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  • #271
    devnull
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    dfx- wrote: »
    I've heard about the 'upcoming' DB fleet expansion now for several years and every year it will be included with the new batch of buses. Now buses are being redirected to someone else and still old and very good AVs are still being taken off the road.

    Is the Dublin Bus fleet expansion only going to happen when we all have flying cars?

    Dublin Buses fleet was expanded this year by 30 buses. Dublin Bus are losing approx 100 buses worth of work but the fleet size is staying the same.

    Net result is when Go Ahead start, Dublin Bus will have the same number of buses but less work, which means fleet can be redeployed for the routes they retained.

    It means there will be at least a 100 bus increase in buses for Dublin City services.


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