Eir rural FTTH thread

Gonzo · 09-11-2017 11:30AM

addict wrote: »

2mmX3mm it’s that small I wonder how it’s going to stand a good Irish winter and KN lads wonder themselves about it

if installed from the wrong pole further away then it won't last long. The main fibre connection is protected where it runs under big trees, but the wire running from the splice box to customers homes isnt.

In my original case the fibre was ran from 5 poles away, through lots of oak trees and the first evening we had more than a breeeze, the whole connection went and I had no broadband for 2 weeks. Since then it's all been wired up again but from the splice box beside my home so no more tree's to worry about. The only thing which would cause an issue now would be if a severe storm brings down a tree and the main fibre line would be cut off.

rob808 · 09-11-2017 12:04PM

There in batterstown co meath wiring up fibre on the pole KN and Open Eir about 3 vans .

Bored Accountant · 09-11-2017 04:20PM

They are working around Sixmilebridge now. They did some work on underground ducts about 6 weeks ago, and I've just spotted the fibre is now out of the ducts waiting to be run overhead on the poles.
I was originally down for a December connection date, but with latest map update that is now pushed out to Winter/Spring 2108.
But at least I can finally see some work happening.

Robxxx7 · 09-11-2017 04:33PM

Bored Accountant wrote: »

They are working around Sixmilebridge now. They did some work on underground ducts about 6 weeks ago, and I've just spotted the fibre is now out of the ducts waiting to be run overhead on the poles.
I was originally down for a December connection date, but with latest map update that is now pushed out to Winter/Spring 2108.
But at least I can finally see some work happening.

Are you sure your not waiting for the NBP !

:D

Falcon L · 09-11-2017 04:42PM

addict wrote: »

2mmX3mm it’s that small I wonder how it’s going to stand a good Irish winter and KN lads wonder themselves about it

Jazzus... that's tiny. And that's the drop from the pole to the house?

Should have no issues pulling it through a hole left by a TV coax that I want to do away with. I could pull the coax out with a draw string attached, leaving that in place to make the installation easier.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-11-2017 04:44PM

Falcon L wrote: »

Jazzus... that's tiny. And that's the drop from the pole to the house?

Should have no issues pulling it through a hole left by a TV coax that I want to do away with. I could pull the coax out with a draw string attached, leaving that in place to make the installation easier.

Yes the drop cable is that small. Here is the datasheet for it.

sean72 · 09-11-2017 05:45PM

I was able to order from eir this morning after a line check based on phone number. I know I’m on FTTC and the limits of same but this is the first time I’ve seen ‘you can have speeds of up to 50mb/s. I’m only 450 m from the exchange and thought I might get more 60-70 range. Do you think the 50 is a given or is there still a chance of better speeds when the install is completed?

oscarBravo · 09-11-2017 05:51PM

If it's an existing phone line it's probably pretty accurate. The line might take a circuitous route to the exchange, or there may be some joints on it, or...

ED E · 09-11-2017 11:28PM

sean72 wrote: »

I was able to order from eir this morning after a line check based on phone number. I know I’m on FTTC and the limits of same but this is the first time I’ve seen ‘you can have speeds of up to 50mb/s. I’m only 450 m from the exchange and thought I might get more 60-70 range. Do you think the 50 is a given or is there still a chance of better speeds when the install is completed?

oscarBravo wrote: »

If it's an existing phone line it's probably pretty accurate. The line might take a circuitous route to the exchange, or there may be some joints on it, or...

Exchange or cab? Exchanges are a little more limited than cabs. They're also noisier.

Any existing faults like oB mentioned can reduce it, bride taps, shorts in internals etc etc. But 50 wouldnt be a bad result as you're maxing the upstream.

sean72 · 09-11-2017 11:36PM

ED E wrote: »

Exchange or cab? Exchanges are a little more limited than cabs. They're also noisier.

Any existing faults like oB mentioned can reduce it, bride taps, shorts in internals etc etc. But 50 wouldnt be a bad result as you're maxing the upstream.

Ah well it’s still 7 times faster that what I have now and the bundles make it almost free for me. I assume at some stage in the distant future even those in the 1km range will get fibre lines.

Turfwarrior · 10-11-2017 12:04AM

addict wrote: »

2mmX3mm it’s that small I wonder how it’s going to stand a good Irish winter and KN lads wonder themselves about it

One of the kn lads I was speaking to reckons 3-5 years but admitted they didn't exactly know how it will stand up to our climate.

bfa1509 · 10-11-2017 12:09AM

In a very hypothetical situation, for information purposes only, would two unethical criminals somehow be able to split one 1000Mbit broadband package between two houses? It would be interesting to know so that I could report these unethical people for engaging in such practices...

oscarBravo · 10-11-2017 12:11AM

Turfwarrior wrote: »

One of the kn lads I was speaking to reckons 3-5 years but admitted they didn't exactly know how it will stand up to our climate.

Unless it's damaged by trees it should be fine. Two KFRP strength members and a messenger wire should stand up to weather just fine.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 12:25AM

bfa1509 wrote: »

In a very hypothetical situation, for information purposes only, would two unethical criminals somehow be able to split one 1000Mbit broadband package between two houses? It would be interesting to know so that I could report these unethical people for engaging in such practices...

There's nothing unethical about splitting any odd broadband package between houses. What you do after the termination point is up to yourself.

Nobody hinders you, to either share the broadband between people inside your house or run a cable, wireless connection or any other connection whatsoever to your neighbor.

The only thing you have to be aware of, is that whoever is the contract holder is also responsible for whatever happens on the broadband connection. So if it's used illegally, the contract holder is held responsible. Simples.

/M

ED E · 10-11-2017 01:01AM

Turfwarrior wrote: »

One of the kn lads I was speaking to reckons 3-5 years but admitted they didn't exactly know how it will stand up to our climate.

Its been stress tested in Belcarra since ~2014ish. Poles coming down is more of an issue than the optics themselves.

ED E · 10-11-2017 01:03AM

Marlow wrote: »

There's nothing unethical about splitting any odd broadband package between houses. What you do after the termination point is up to yourself.

Nobody hinders you, to either share the broadband between people inside your house or run a cable, wireless connection or any other connection whatsoever to your neighbor.

The only thing you have to be aware of, is that whoever is the contract holder is also responsible for whatever happens on the broadband connection. So if it's used illegally, the contract holder is held responsible. Simples.

If you get a copy of most residential BB contracts it explicitly states for use of that single dwelling/one household/one address or other such wording.

NB: Running copper cabling to your neighbour is a big no no for electrical safety reasons, if you were cabling between dwellings it needs to be optical.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 01:04AM

ED E wrote: »

Its been stress tested in Belcarra since ~2014ish. Poles coming down is more of an issue than the optics themselves.

The issue being, that poles coming down .. especially in the wescht ... is a common occurance ... be it caused by winter storms, sabotage or drunk drivers

Or the darn things simply being rotten.

The ESB is now testing carbon fiber poles. But I can't imagine OpenEir ever investing that harsh.

/M

ED E · 10-11-2017 01:09AM

I'll see your pole and raise you a cabinet that some idiot totalled. Lovely months outage. #JustLimerickThings

Marlow · 10-11-2017 01:10AM

ED E wrote: »

If you get a copy of most residential BB contracts it explicitly states for use of that single dwelling/one household/one address or other such wording.

Depends on the provider. I can can give you an example of a provider just stating, it's not suitable for sharing and won't be supported. But beyond that they don't care.

ED E wrote: »

NB: Running copper cabling to your neighbour is a big no no for electrical safety reasons, if you were cabling between dwellings it needs to be optical.

Well. Specifically copper cabling would also be a problem with building regulations etc., unless it's installed by a certified electrician. Either way, lots of other ways to connect multiple premises.

/M

bfa1509 · 10-11-2017 01:24AM

Marlow wrote: »

Depends on the provider. I can can give you an example of a provider just stating, it's not suitable for sharing and won't be supported. But beyond that they don't care.

Well. Specifically copper cabling would also be a problem with building regulations etc., unless it's installed by a certified electrician. Either way, lots of other ways to connect multiple premises.

/M

I was thinking more along the lines of what a rogue engineer could do at the splice box so that two houses could run off the same account. But maybe this is not even possible.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 01:26AM

bfa1509 wrote: »

I was thinking more along the lines of what a rogue engineer could do at the splice box so that two houses could run off the same account. But maybe this is not even possible.

It's not. Because first of all,
- you've got the configuration in the ONT. And ONT can not be moved to another OLT without configuration.
- Then you have the username and password of the PPPoE session.
- And then most providers limit, so you can only establish one pppoe session across the network.

Sorry ... we're past analogue times.

/M

Johnboy1951 · 10-11-2017 01:55AM

Marlow wrote: »

It's not. Because first of all,
- you've got the configuration in the ONT. And ONT can not be moved to another OLT without configuration.
- Then you have the username and password of the PPPoE session.
- And then most providers limit, so you can only establish one pppoe session across the network.

Sorry ... we're past analogue times.

/M

I use two presently (eir ADSL) .... do eir allow two on FTTH?

Marlow · 10-11-2017 01:56AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I use two presently (eir ADSL) .... do eir allow two on FTTH?

Two pppoe sessions with different username and password on the same line ? (possibly)

Or two pppoe sessions using the same username and password, on two different lines ? (unlikely, unless they don't care)

Whatever goes on ADSL with Eir, will most likely also be possible on the FTTH platform. The backend isn't really different.

/M

Johnboy1951 · 10-11-2017 02:25AM

Marlow wrote: »

Two pppoe sessions with different username and password on the same line ? (possibly)

Or two pppoe sessions using the same username and password, on two different lines ? (unlikely, unless they don't care)

Whatever goes on ADSL with Eir, will most likely also be possible on the FTTH platform. The backend isn't really different.

/M

Itt has been a number of years since I set it up so not quite sure except for the following ....

the eir modem allows for 'Bridged+NAT' which allows the modem to operate as normally with its IP address
but also allows another device to get a different IP address through the bridge

One account and one line ..... two IP addresses.

Hopefully it will be possible to do something similar with FTTH (if/when it arrives here) as I find this extremely useful.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 02:29AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Itt has been a number of years since I set it up so not quite sure except for the following ....

the eir modem allows for 'Bridged+NAT' which allows the modem to operate as normally with its IP address
but also allows another device to get a different IP address through the bridge

One account and one line ..... two IP addresses.

Hopefully it will be possible to do something similar with FTTH (if/when it arrives here) as I find this extremely useful.

That only works as long as it's dynamic IP on the account and the provider doesn't restrict you to one session. Eir probably hasn't envisioned your scenario.

On FTTH, it should be even easier. Connect a switch, that's Vlan transparent to the ONT, stick 2 routers on it (each configured for Vlan 10) and set the PPPoE session up on each.

It doesn't really make any difference to the provider, as the speed is limited physically on the ONT, concentrator or OLT. The only thing you get out of it, is 2 public IPs. And their traffic accounting could get confused by it.

If the provider for example gave you a fixed IP, you'd be screwed, as you'd have 50% packet loss on each PPPoE session then.

/M

cnocbui · 10-11-2017 09:18AM

Falcon L wrote: »

Jazzus... that's tiny. And that's the drop from the pole to the house?

Should have no issues pulling it through a hole left by a TV coax that I want to do away with. I could pull the coax out with a draw string attached, leaving that in place to make the installation easier.

If it was me, I would use the coax to pull the fibre, not string. Cut the coax end flush, but the end of the fibre against it and use packing tape to wrap the joint with a good 6cm+ overlap on each side, going around several times. Cut a piece of tape and use it lengthwise to get the overlap.

It will be far stronger than string and won't snag like knots in string as the joint is very smooth and should pull through very smoothly as it' just like pulling a bit more coax.

cnocbui · 10-11-2017 09:23AM

Marlow wrote: »

Depends on the provider. I can can give you an example of a provider just stating, it's not suitable for sharing and won't be supported. But beyond that they don't care.

Well. Specifically copper cabling would also be a problem with building regulations etc., unless it's installed by a certified electrician. Either way, lots of other ways to connect multiple premises.

/M

Could the second house just bridge a router to first house's WiFi if they had a signal? Which if too weak could be fixed with a satellite dish.

banjopeter · 10-11-2017 09:56AM

Falcon L wrote: »

Quick question for anyone that got FTTH via a dropwire from a pole. How thick is the cable? Using a standard pencil as a guage... bigger? Smaller?

Or if someone can run a caliper over it?

Here it is, using the proverbial pencil for comparison. It is a flat cable, and much stronger than it appears.

Marlow · 10-11-2017 01:02PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Could the second house just bridge a router to first house's WiFi if they had a signal? Which if too weak could be fixed with a satellite dish.

Of course. Apart from that that connection always will be crap unless the routers are placed in windows facing each other and depending on distance.

A satelite dish, not really. But an outdoor wifi/fixed-wireless link would be possible.

You have to consider, that if you want to share a 1000 Mbit/s FTTH, i expect that your neighbor would want to see at least 500 Mbit/s his end and you can't do that with an half-arsed cheapskate attempt.

/M

MajesticDonkey · 10-11-2017 01:16PM

Marlow wrote: »

Of course. Apart from that that connection always will be crap unless the routers are placed in windows facing each other and depending on distance.

A satelite dish, not really. But an outdoor wifi/fixed-wireless link would be possible.

You have to consider, that if you want to share a 1000 Mbit/s FTTH, i expect that your neighbor would want to see at least 500 Mbit/s his end and you can't do that with an half-arsed cheapskate attempt.

/M

You'd be surprised what speeds you can get with equipment worth €300. I've used a couple of Mikrotik dishes and I believe we get around 500Mb/s throughput on a 10km link.

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