Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime

Joeface · 31-10-2017 03:42PM #1

Given all the recent breaking news of the many of Hollywood and the entertainment industries open Secerts becoming verified

Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime ?

Take Kevin Spacey would you find it easy to sit down and say rewatch "The Usual Suspects , Seven or even House of Cards given that they are visible all the time on screen .

Or even if the rumours about say ....Brian Singer were to be verified do you just not watch X-Men series or again The Usual Suspects . Do TV or Film stations promote these things .

biko · 31-10-2017 03:43PM

Yes, there is more to people than the latest news in the tabloids.

RiderOnTheStorm · 31-10-2017 04:06PM

It does depend on the crime.
Would I go to a viewing of Hitler's paintings? No
Will I ever watch a Rolf Harris show again? No
If there were genuine medical breakthroughs because of Nazi experiments on concentration camp inmates? No thanks.
Watch a Weinstein produced film with Kevin Spacey? Sure...

splinter65 · 31-10-2017 04:13PM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

It does depend on the crime.
Would I go to a viewing of Hitler's paintings? No
Will I ever watch a Rolf Harris show again? No
If there were genuine medical breakthroughs because of Nazi experiments on concentration camp inmates? No thanks.
Watch a Weinstein produced film with Kevin Spacey? Sure...

Will I go on enjoying the music of Led Zeppelin ? The Rolling Stones ? Jerry Lewis ? Elvis Presley? Chuck Berry?
HELL YES!!!

optogirl · 31-10-2017 04:19PM

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

31-10-2017 04:21PM

Rolf Harris felt like a personal betrayal, I loved those old Animal Hospital shows and Rolfs persona as the gentle grandfatherly animal lover. Coudn't watch those again.

Music seems easier to overlook, probably because I'm not looking at someones face and thinking of their crimes. It's less intrusive when you're not seeing them.

I don't think I can really enjoy another Kevin Spacey movie, looking at him and knowing the truth of him.

donegaLroad · 31-10-2017 04:21PM

optogirl wrote: »

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

I still listen to the Who.

I look at Caravaggio paintings even though I'm aware that he murdered someone.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-10-2017 04:22PM

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

It does depend on the crime.
Would I go to a viewing of Hitler's paintings? No
Will I ever watch a Rolf Harris show again? No
If there were genuine medical breakthroughs because of Nazi experiments on concentration camp inmates? No thanks.
Watch a Weinstein produced film with Kevin Spacey? Sure...

That strikes me as being a bit inconsistent (although I was never a fan of Rolf Harris in the first place)...

And yes, I would have no problem viewing work I liked regardless of the crime. I've seen some of Hitler's paintings - a lot of them are very good - and were actually painted long before he committed the atrocities he became infamous for. If you're going to go down that road, you should also include Albert Speer (Olympia-Stadion Berlin) and Richard Wagner (Ride of the Walkeries and indirectly Apocalypse Now)

Lily Munster · 31-10-2017 04:26PM

I dunno. I love the works of absolute lowlives - Polanski, Chuck Berry. And of people with serious questions hanging over them - Spacey, the aforementioned "rock gods", I've huge admiration for the late John Peel as a broadcaster.

So my gut reaction is bound to be "Of course you can!" but maybe I should. I dunno though - watching a movie or listening to an album is not going to make a difference either way.

optogirl · 31-10-2017 04:27PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

I still listen to the Who and Massive Attack.

I look at Caravaggio paintings even though I'm aware that he murdered someone.

Wasn't Del Naja cleared?

donegaLroad · 31-10-2017 04:28PM

optogirl wrote: »

Wasn't Del Naja cleared?

Yes he was... I should have looked it up before I posted. Goes to show how easily someone's reputation can be damaged. I just remember hearing his house was raided and he was arrested. I hadn't realised charges were dropped.

Joeface · 31-10-2017 04:33PM

i am kinda inbetween , Music seems like a distance from the person so I kinda can do that , rarely would it come into mind ...except bowie ..little china girl , that one I find weird
but having to look at Kevin Spaceys face now it would be in the back of my mind and probably take from it . I did enjoy the movies he has worked. Always found him entertaining

The Director of the movie I suppose that falls inline with Distance from the subject .

Jayop · 31-10-2017 04:34PM

It's pretty hard to really, but as more and more of these stories come out all the time it's becoming increasingly hard for the world to do what was done to Gary Glitter all those years ago and completely forget about his music. You simply never hear it on the radio now. Will the same happen with Spacey, I doubt it.

siblers · 31-10-2017 04:37PM

optogirl wrote: »

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

What has Louis been up to?

valoren · 31-10-2017 04:37PM

Candie wrote: »

Rolf Harris felt like a personal betrayal, I loved those old Animal Hospital shows and Rolfs persona as the gentle grandfatherly animal lover. Coudn't watch those again.

Music seems easier to overlook, probably because I'm not looking at someones face and thinking of their crimes. It's less intrusive when you're not seeing them.

I don't think I can really enjoy another Kevin Spacey movie, looking at him and knowing the truth of him.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist.

eviltwin · 31-10-2017 04:38PM

I don't know. American Beauty is one of my favourite films. Can I really see myself never watching it again? No but it's probably ruined for me now.

Joeface · 31-10-2017 04:38PM

siblers wrote: »

What has Louis been up to?

Pleasuring him self in front of Women , with out permisson so the rumour goes

branie2 · 31-10-2017 04:39PM

You certainly wouldn't watch anything with Jimmy Savile

optogirl · 31-10-2017 04:39PM

siblers wrote: »

What has Louis been up to?

Apparentley he's fond of forcing women to watch him wan*

kunst nugget · 31-10-2017 04:40PM

Lily Munster wrote: »

I dunno. I love the works of absolute lowlives - Polanski, Chuck Berry. And of people with serious questions hanging over them - Spacey, the aforementioned "rock gods", I've huge admiration for the late John Peel as a broadcaster.

So my gut reaction is bound to be "Of course you can!" but maybe I should. I dunno though - watching a movie or listening to an album is not going to make a difference either way.

Would you be able to listen to a Lostprophets album?

kunst nugget · 31-10-2017 04:41PM

optogirl wrote: »

Apparentley he's fond of forcing women to watch him wan*

Watch him wane? I think everybody's been watching him wane. His last special was scutter…

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gramar · 31-10-2017 04:42PM

Joeface wrote: »

Given all the recent breaking news of the many of Hollywood and the entertainment industries open Secerts becoming verified

Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime ?

Take Kevin Spacey would you find it easy to sit down and say rewatch "The Usual Suspects , Seven or even House of Cards given that they are visible all the time on screen .

Or even if the rumours about say ....Brian Singer were to be verified do you just not watch X-Men series or again The Usual Suspects . Do TV or Film stations promote these things .

I'd have no problem watching him. Someone made an allegation about something that allegedly happened over 30 years ago.

biko · 31-10-2017 04:45PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxfSlIS55mk

gramar · 31-10-2017 04:46PM

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

optogirl wrote: »

Apparentley he's fond of forcing women to watch him wan*

Better than forcing them to endure his comedy. Not a funny man.

Lily Munster · 31-10-2017 04:47PM

Even though I agree Polanski experienced horrific things nobody should experience, this shouldn't come into the equation in my opinion. He knew drugging a young girl and then having sex with her was just wrong.

kunst nugget wrote: »

Would you be able to listen to a Lostprophets album?

Never was - so no dilemma on that front.

31-10-2017 04:51PM

There's no correlation between my experience of a creative endeavour and the personality or actions of the creator

Do you care whether the fella who made your table was an angel or not?

kunst nugget · 31-10-2017 04:53PM

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What happened to him is really not a defence for anally raping a 14 year old… I don't think he's really as vilified as he should be. The likes of Meryl Streep lionise and defend the fooker. I think Hollywood giving him the oscar and the standing ovation at the ceremony really highlighted the hypocrisy of tinseltown. Pointing out that other celebrities did shady shít with kids doesn't excuse what he did either.

I have watched his films in the past but not any more I think. Also, I'd actively tell people to not watch any of the Jeepers Creepers franchise because of the past actions of director Victor Salva.

seenitall · 31-10-2017 04:58PM

Great thread topic, OP. It's something I have been thinking about a lot in the past couple of weeks.

Because of my strong and enduring admiration for the amazing body of work of Roman Polanski. I think the man is nothing short of a cinematic giant, a true creative genius. Maybe it's my Slavic sensibilities coming to the fore, or maybe it is just the appreciation of great art, I don't know. But his films are utterly gripping to me, he makes something entirely and memorably his own - out of very diverse stories, characters, visuals. There is usually a subtle and gentle touch in his work, an atmosphere that encroaches on every story with a slight unease, and then slowly sloooowly builds into a bigger, or overwhelming menace, or an act of destruction. These films are for the most part utterly, and plainly, bleak and pessimistic about human nature and the nature of human condition. Rage, pain, greed, disloyalty, evil, inhumanity, disgust, cruelty.

Depressing movies. But, oh, wonderful movies.

This is a master storyteller. However, the story he tells doesn't have a happy end.

And then - the man is a horrible and disgusting child rapist, TOO. I have read what he did to the child Samantha and I can't fathom it, reconcile it or forget it. Perhaps just because in his work he is constantly, relentlessly pointing to the depravity of what human beings can stoop to, I would be the first to believe that any cruelty and inhumanity in himself would be exercised in that way. Unfortunately, not so. He had a horror show of an early life, and then another horror show visited him midway through. I would have hoped a man who went through all that would never be capable of visiting a horror on another human being. Sadly, not so.

So I am deeply, deeply conflicted at the mention of Roman Polanski. I feel two very different things at once. It may always stay that way.

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Turtyturd · 31-10-2017 05:04PM

Still partial to watching the odd Chris Benoit match.

Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime

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