Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime

Joeface

Given all the recent breaking news of the many of Hollywood and the entertainment industries open Secerts becoming verified

Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime ?

Take Kevin Spacey would you find it easy to sit down and say rewatch "The Usual Suspects , Seven or even House of Cards given that they are visible all the time on screen .

Or even if the rumours about say ....Brian Singer were to be verified do you just not watch X-Men series or again The Usual Suspects . Do TV or Film stations promote these things .

biko

Yes, there is more to people than the latest news in the tabloids.

RiderOnTheStorm

It does depend on the crime.
Would I go to a viewing of Hitler's paintings? No
Will I ever watch a Rolf Harris show again? No
If there were genuine medical breakthroughs because of Nazi experiments on concentration camp inmates? No thanks.
Watch a Weinstein produced film with Kevin Spacey? Sure...

splinter65

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

It does depend on the crime.
Would I go to a viewing of Hitler's paintings? No
Will I ever watch a Rolf Harris show again? No
If there were genuine medical breakthroughs because of Nazi experiments on concentration camp inmates? No thanks.
Watch a Weinstein produced film with Kevin Spacey? Sure...

Will I go on enjoying the music of Led Zeppelin ? The Rolling Stones ? Jerry Lewis ? Elvis Presley? Chuck Berry?
HELL YES!!!

optogirl

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

Rolf Harris felt like a personal betrayal, I loved those old Animal Hospital shows and Rolfs persona as the gentle grandfatherly animal lover. Coudn't watch those again.

Music seems easier to overlook, probably because I'm not looking at someones face and thinking of their crimes. It's less intrusive when you're not seeing them.

I don't think I can really enjoy another Kevin Spacey movie, looking at him and knowing the truth of him.

donegaLroad

optogirl wrote: »

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

I still listen to the Who.

I look at Caravaggio paintings even though I'm aware that he murdered someone.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

It does depend on the crime.
Would I go to a viewing of Hitler's paintings? No
Will I ever watch a Rolf Harris show again? No
If there were genuine medical breakthroughs because of Nazi experiments on concentration camp inmates? No thanks.
Watch a Weinstein produced film with Kevin Spacey? Sure...

That strikes me as being a bit inconsistent (although I was never a fan of Rolf Harris in the first place)...

And yes, I would have no problem viewing work I liked regardless of the crime. I've seen some of Hitler's paintings - a lot of them are very good - and were actually painted long before he committed the atrocities he became infamous for. If you're going to go down that road, you should also include Albert Speer (Olympia-Stadion Berlin) and Richard Wagner (Ride of the Walkeries and indirectly Apocalypse Now)

Lily Munster

I dunno. I love the works of absolute lowlives - Polanski, Chuck Berry. And of people with serious questions hanging over them - Spacey, the aforementioned "rock gods", I've huge admiration for the late John Peel as a broadcaster.

So my gut reaction is bound to be "Of course you can!" but maybe I should. I dunno though - watching a movie or listening to an album is not going to make a difference either way.

optogirl

donegaLroad wrote: »

I still listen to the Who and Massive Attack.

I look at Caravaggio paintings even though I'm aware that he murdered someone.

Wasn't Del Naja cleared?

donegaLroad

optogirl wrote: »

Wasn't Del Naja cleared?

Yes he was... I should have looked it up before I posted. Goes to show how easily someone's reputation can be damaged. I just remember hearing his house was raided and he was arrested. I hadn't realised charges were dropped.

Joeface

i am kinda inbetween , Music seems like a distance from the person so I kinda can do that , rarely would it come into mind ...except bowie ..little china girl , that one I find weird
but having to look at Kevin Spaceys face now it would be in the back of my mind and probably take from it . I did enjoy the movies he has worked. Always found him entertaining

The Director of the movie I suppose that falls inline with Distance from the subject .

Jayop

It's pretty hard to really, but as more and more of these stories come out all the time it's becoming increasingly hard for the world to do what was done to Gary Glitter all those years ago and completely forget about his music. You simply never hear it on the radio now. Will the same happen with Spacey, I doubt it.

siblers

optogirl wrote: »

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

What has Louis been up to?

valoren

Candie wrote: »

Rolf Harris felt like a personal betrayal, I loved those old Animal Hospital shows and Rolfs persona as the gentle grandfatherly animal lover. Coudn't watch those again.

Music seems easier to overlook, probably because I'm not looking at someones face and thinking of their crimes. It's less intrusive when you're not seeing them.

I don't think I can really enjoy another Kevin Spacey movie, looking at him and knowing the truth of him.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist.

eviltwin

I don't know. American Beauty is one of my favourite films. Can I really see myself never watching it again? No but it's probably ruined for me now.

Joeface

siblers wrote: »

What has Louis been up to?

Pleasuring him self in front of Women , with out permisson so the rumour goes

branie2

You certainly wouldn't watch anything with Jimmy Savile

optogirl

siblers wrote: »

What has Louis been up to?

Apparentley he's fond of forcing women to watch him wan*

kunst nugget

Lily Munster wrote: »

I dunno. I love the works of absolute lowlives - Polanski, Chuck Berry. And of people with serious questions hanging over them - Spacey, the aforementioned "rock gods", I've huge admiration for the late John Peel as a broadcaster.

So my gut reaction is bound to be "Of course you can!" but maybe I should. I dunno though - watching a movie or listening to an album is not going to make a difference either way.

Would you be able to listen to a Lostprophets album?

kunst nugget

optogirl wrote: »

Apparentley he's fond of forcing women to watch him wan*

Watch him wane? I think everybody's been watching him wane. His last special was scutter…

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gramar

Joeface wrote: »

Given all the recent breaking news of the many of Hollywood and the entertainment industries open Secerts becoming verified

Can you seperate the body of work from the Crime ?

Take Kevin Spacey would you find it easy to sit down and say rewatch "The Usual Suspects , Seven or even House of Cards given that they are visible all the time on screen .

Or even if the rumours about say ....Brian Singer were to be verified do you just not watch X-Men series or again The Usual Suspects . Do TV or Film stations promote these things .

I'd have no problem watching him. Someone made an allegation about something that allegedly happened over 30 years ago.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxfSlIS55mk

gramar

I used to struggle with Woody Allen because I love his films so much and now Louis CK too.....wish I'd watched his latest show on Netflix before I heard he's a creep....

optogirl wrote: »

Apparentley he's fond of forcing women to watch him wan*

Better than forcing them to endure his comedy. Not a funny man.

Lily Munster

Even though I agree Polanski experienced horrific things nobody should experience, this shouldn't come into the equation in my opinion. He knew drugging a young girl and then having sex with her was just wrong.

kunst nugget wrote: »

Would you be able to listen to a Lostprophets album?

Never was - so no dilemma on that front.

There's no correlation between my experience of a creative endeavour and the personality or actions of the creator

Do you care whether the fella who made your table was an angel or not?

kunst nugget

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What happened to him is really not a defence for anally raping a 14 year old… I don't think he's really as vilified as he should be. The likes of Meryl Streep lionise and defend the fooker. I think Hollywood giving him the oscar and the standing ovation at the ceremony really highlighted the hypocrisy of tinseltown. Pointing out that other celebrities did shady shít with kids doesn't excuse what he did either.

I have watched his films in the past but not any more I think. Also, I'd actively tell people to not watch any of the Jeepers Creepers franchise because of the past actions of director Victor Salva.

seenitall

Great thread topic, OP. It's something I have been thinking about a lot in the past couple of weeks.

Because of my strong and enduring admiration for the amazing body of work of Roman Polanski. I think the man is nothing short of a cinematic giant, a true creative genius. Maybe it's my Slavic sensibilities coming to the fore, or maybe it is just the appreciation of great art, I don't know. But his films are utterly gripping to me, he makes something entirely and memorably his own - out of very diverse stories, characters, visuals. There is usually a subtle and gentle touch in his work, an atmosphere that encroaches on every story with a slight unease, and then slowly sloooowly builds into a bigger, or overwhelming menace, or an act of destruction. These films are for the most part utterly, and plainly, bleak and pessimistic about human nature and the nature of human condition. Rage, pain, greed, disloyalty, evil, inhumanity, disgust, cruelty.

Depressing movies. But, oh, wonderful movies.

This is a master storyteller. However, the story he tells doesn't have a happy end.

And then - the man is a horrible and disgusting child rapist, TOO. I have read what he did to the child Samantha and I can't fathom it, reconcile it or forget it. Perhaps just because in his work he is constantly, relentlessly pointing to the depravity of what human beings can stoop to, I would be the first to believe that any cruelty and inhumanity in himself would be exercised in that way. Unfortunately, not so. He had a horror show of an early life, and then another horror show visited him midway through. I would have hoped a man who went through all that would never be capable of visiting a horror on another human being. Sadly, not so.

So I am deeply, deeply conflicted at the mention of Roman Polanski. I feel two very different things at once. It may always stay that way.

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Turtyturd

Still partial to watching the odd Chris Benoit match.

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biko

For people loving to get shocked and outraged
https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-accused-of-horrible-crimes/celebrity-lists

Hector Bellend

If being a paedophile doesn't change your view of someone I don't know what will.

The Kevin Spacey thing is a little weird in the sense that nothing has yet been confirmed or proven.

If it is, I wont be able to look at him in the same way but will give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. At least until these allegations have been cleared up one way or the other.

Child abuse is child abuse. The offenders status is irrelevant

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kunst nugget

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Funnily enough, when Corey Haim was talking about paedophilia in Hollywood, he said Michael Jackson, who he hung around with, never touched him.

branie2

He never touched Maculey Culkin either

Hector Bellend

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Does it not give you douche chills?

kunst nugget

biko wrote: »

For people loving to get shocked and outraged
https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-accused-of-horrible-crimes/celebrity-lists

I wouldn't be doing it out a desire to be shocked and outraged more out of wondering 'if I find some of their actions disquieting do I help them out by continuing to fund their lifestyles?'

And there are people you really wrestle over… Bowie, Led Zep, Iggy Pop…

Hector Bellend

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If being a paedophile doesn't change your view of someone I don't know what will.

The Kevin Spacey thing is a little weird in the sense that nothing has yet been confirmed or proven.

If it is, I wont be able to look at him in the same way but will give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. At least until these allegations have been cleared up one way or the other.

Child abuse is child abuse. The offenders status is irrelevant

Read the question again

valoren

In Cork, one of the most popular show's was the Neil Prendeville slot on 96fm. His shtick was to be the high horse presenter being controversial stoking call ins from gullible and irate listeners. A story about how a high profile individual in the Cork area who exposed themselves on a flight and masturbated would have been right up his alley, where he would be the one calling for them to be listed on the sex offender's register and would be moralizing about it ad nauseum.

Except he was the one who did that and so his 'shtick' could no longer hold water for me.

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Turtyturd

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I wish he would just name his abusers.

Maybe he’s afraid he won’t be able to enjoy their work anymore if he does.

valoren

kunst nugget wrote: »

Funnily enough, when Corey Haim was talking about paedophilia in Hollywood, he said Michael Jackson, who he hung around with, never touched him.

Seems like MJ is turning out to be one of the normal ones, that he was eccentric more than anything. Perhaps he was a good scapegoat given his eccentricities to deflect attention away from the actual legitimate abusers.

kunst nugget

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Apologies, you're right. Corey Feldman.

tayto lover

I couldn't watch any rapist, paedophile or violent offender in any film.
I do know several people who did time (not for any of the above) and changed their lives for the better. I respect them for it.

one armed dwarf

It would complicate my feelings about the work in question.

Books have this problem with guys like Louis Ferdinand Celine. Guy was a willing collaborator with the Nazis but wrote some terrific stuff.

Jayop wrote: »

It's pretty hard to really, but as more and more of these stories come out all the time it's becoming increasingly hard for the world to do what was done to Gary Glitter all those years ago and completely forget about his music. You simply never hear it on the radio now. Will the same happen with Spacey, I doubt it.

That's interesting as well. It's harder to remain appalled with the rate at which this stuff has been coming out. Heard some rumours of Ian McKellan now as well, that would be really disappointing.

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Joeface

I suppose it Does depend on the Crime and the level of exposure .

Charles S Dutton one of those scene making actors , convicted of Manslaughter served time . Always enjoy his work .

Also I probably should have been clearer in my OP , Kevin Spacey hasn't been convicted of anything I should have phrased more like if he was to be found gulity of anything in light of his at tempt at a 14year old boy

Wombatman

I feel it is a spoiler in some ways to know who the artist is before appreciating\evaluating the art.

If you think a bottle of wine is vile and are told afterwards it most valuable and well thought of by experts, does it make it any less vile?

Does a Penneys garment become something different with a Gucci label on it?

Do the Usual Suspects or Annie Hall become different\lesser works of art knowing what we now know?

Now that Christopher Marlowe has be credited as co-writer of some of Shakespeare's work, does this fact transform the art in some way?

Like a court case, I feel we must try to judge on the merits of the art before us and not previous crimes and misdemeanors of the artist.

valoren

Ever since Christian Bale's meltdown on the set of Terminator went viral anything I've seen him in since I don't take in his performance and I just think of that remembering what a see you next tuesday he is.