Medical boards unhappy with proposed children's hospital name

elperello · 30-10-2017 01:22AM

I would prefer not to name it after a person. Especially someone who 99% of the population never heard off.
Rosie Hackett Bridge comes to mind.

KungPao · 30-10-2017 02:47AM

elperello wrote: »

I would prefer not to name it after a person. Especially someone who 99% of the population never heard off.
Rosie Hackett Bridge comes to mind.

I tend to refer to it as the Jack Hackett bridge.

fatknacker · 30-10-2017 02:51AM

Well thank fck it's not named after a person or a Saint or a Mary incarnation. Is there anything more dreary for a child than having to be in some place associated with smelly old Catholics.
Well, apart from the illnesses of course.

30-10-2017 07:03AM

KungPao wrote: »

To reflect the area chosen, perhaps National Childers Hostible?

Pity this gem was tucked away on page 4! Good to start the day with a laugh...

mikemac2 · 30-10-2017 07:21AM

Victor wrote: »

Kathleen Lynn was a captain in the 1916 Rising. The rebels occupied the South Dublin Union, what is now St. James's Hospital and the 3,000 or so occupants - patients with mental health, intellectual disability issues, elderly and poor were subjected to a week of being in the middle of battle. This indicates a distinct failure of judgement and I don't think she should have a hospital named for her.

She was a medical officer, she wasn’t commanding troops. And even if she was in charge of troops a lowly captain doesn’t get to choose strategy

Doctors are officers, just how it is

Stuckforcash · 30-10-2017 07:35AM

Call it the Whacky Adventure House.

The Bishop Basher · 30-10-2017 08:17AM

Only in Ireland could we be building the most expensive children's hospital in the world, slap bang in the heart of a badly congested city with appalling access, poor public transport and no parking...

..and we're worrying about what we ****in call it

30-10-2017 08:55AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a stupid name. Be descriptive and call it Ospidéal Náisiúnta na Leanaí/National Children's Hospital and be done with it.

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You need to deal with that chip, I suggest.

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

there's a bigger chip that won't accept that simple fact and assumes any reference to the fact is a putdown of the language.

Er, this being an Irish state it's a bilingual name as it will be no matter what it's called. That means you can use the English name and others can use the Irish name. The horror. That you're trying to derail the thread by making a big fúcking deal over this legal and political reality is pathetic. As I said: get over it.

exaisle · 30-10-2017 08:56AM

Swanner wrote: »

Only in Ireland could we be building the most expensive children's hospital in the world, slap bang in the heart of a badly congested city with appalling access, poor public transport and no parking...

..and we're worrying about what we ****in call it

That's the real issue! The muppets in charge don't realise that you don't build new hospitals IN CITIES. You build them on the outskirts where you can get to them without getting stuck in traffic. You also (like Tallaght) move the adult hospitals out there too to avail of the expertise in the adult hospitals...instead of having a plethora of hospitals in inaccessible places. We did it with Tallaght...there's no reason why we couldn't do it with James' too.

I'm sticking with Hospital McHospitalface....

daheff · 30-10-2017 09:36AM

Seriously

How fcking difficult is it to build a kids hospital?

All these arguements seem to me to be an excuse NOT to build it. Same with the issue over the sprinklers (being built just under the 30m threshold).

Can we not just go & build it ..do it right & just call it the childrens hospital??????

CeilingFly · 30-10-2017 10:32AM

Swanner wrote: »

Only in Ireland could we be building the most expensive children's hospital in the world, slap bang in the heart of a badly congested city with appalling access, poor public transport and no parking...

..and we're worrying about what we ****in call it

You believe far too much sh1te spouted by property developers and anti everything politicians.

For staff of the hospital the public transport links are superb.

For patients, what the media and developers and the anti everything shower didn't say was that the number of daily admissions for a specialist children's hospital is quite low.

Most day to day issues will be dealt with by current children's hospitals. This is for the more serious and longer term issues, not the little cuts on the knee.

And the most important aspect for recovery of serious illness in children is frequency of visitors - thus being close to city and extremely good transport links from most parts of the country is exceptionally important.

Gerrup Outta Dat! · 30-10-2017 12:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, this being an Irish state it's a bilingual name as it will be no matter what it's called. That means you can use the English name and others can use the Irish name. The horror. That you're trying to derail the thread by making a big fúcking deal over this legal and political reality is pathetic. As I said: get over it.

Kian Orange Wall is a West Brit. Just look at his posts in the post box thread, the British Isles thread, the poppy thread, and this one. I’d bet he’d be calling for executions in 1916 if he was there at the time. He’d probably vote no to a United Ireland too and vote to rejoin the Commonwealth.

Mod-Banned

30-10-2017 12:17PM

Sickness 'b' gone.

The Bishop Basher · 30-10-2017 01:23PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

You believe far too much sh1te spouted by property developers and anti everything politicians.

For staff of the hospital the public transport links are superb.

And you clearly believe far too much sh1te spouted by politicians.

I used to work there and i couldn't disagree with you more..

But sure this is Ireland so lets spend well over a billion of tax payers hard earned cash to find out..

Victor · 30-10-2017 03:19PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

She was a medical officer, she wasn’t commanding troops. And even if she was in charge of troops a lowly captain doesn’t get to choose strategy

Doctors are officers, just how it is

As an officer, she had a duty to speak out.

Anita Blow · 30-10-2017 03:30PM

Swanner wrote: »

And you clearly believe far too much sh1te spouted by politicians.

I used to work there and i couldn't disagree with you more..

But sure this is Ireland so lets spend well over a billion of tax payers hard earned cash to find out..

The decision to co-locate with a major national centre was made on recommendation from a panel of international experts & informed by paediatric hospitals in most developed countries- (Sick Kids -Toronto General in downtown Toronto, GOSH-UCL Hospital in central London, Sydney Children's Hospital-Prince of Wales Hospital in Sydney etc etc)
Specialist centres aren't generally associated with routine visits (that'll be the job of the satellite centres) so access isn't top priority (although James' is well served by Luas/Rail/M50). What's more important for a specialist hospital is access to appropriate expertise and facilities in a timely fashion, so co-location with a centre that can offer that is top priority

Guy:Incognito · 30-10-2017 03:35PM

At least we're on the ball this time. Definitely the number 1 issue around the building of a hospital to stop children from dying and treating illnesses is the name. Everything else pales in comparison to the importance of the letters on the sign.

Sarn · 30-10-2017 03:54PM

I was going to suggest Solas Children's Hospital (tie in light and solace) but it'd conflict with the further education agency.

The Bishop Basher · 31-10-2017 10:29AM

Anita Blow wrote: »

Specialist centres aren't generally associated with routine visits (that'll be the job of the satellite centres) so access isn't top priority (although James' is well served by Luas/Rail/M50). What's more important for a specialist hospital is access to appropriate expertise and facilities in a timely fashion, so co-location with a centre that can offer that is top priority

I keep hearing it mentioned but this argument makes no sense. Expertise and facilities can be located anywhere.. including any parent hospital..

Buildings can be built, equipment can be moved and the expertise can take a different route to work every day..

It's not rocket science..

We had the opportunity to build a state of the art facility with zero access issues, unlimited scope for future expansion and most importantly, a green field site with massively reduced cost and disruption. Imagine what we could have built with the money saved on construction and disruptions costs alone..

Remember this will be the most expensive hospital in the world and that's just based on current cost projections alone..

The cost over runs on this will be astronomical.. Will we get the best healthcare in the world to match the price tag ? I sincerely doubt it.

Aside from all that, we also could have built a hospital surrounded by green space and fresh air.. Something hospitals abroad, in my experience, seem to understand the importance of..

But anyway, we're miles off topic.. The money is already being squandered and future generations will suffer as a result.

We should just call it what it is lest we ever forget..

The most expensive hospital in the world.

kylith · 31-10-2017 12:57PM

elperello wrote: »

I would prefer not to name it after a person. Especially someone who 99% of the population never heard off.
Rosie Hackett Bridge comes to mind.

Disagree. Thanks to the bridge being called after her I was inspired to find out who she was and what she did. Thanks to this thread I now know who Kathleen Lynn was and what she did.

More calling things after obscure people, please!

elperello · 31-10-2017 02:13PM

kylith wrote: »

Disagree. Thanks to the bridge being called after her I was inspired to find out who she was and what she did. Thanks to this thread I now know who Kathleen Lynn was and what she did.

More calling things after obscure people, please!

The footnotes of history are full of obscure good people who did great things.

I am all in favour of researching and spreading knowledge of the details of their lives and deeds.

I draw the line at naming pieces of infrastructure after them to encourage interest in them.

goose2005 · 31-10-2017 02:59PM

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

OK, Szpital Dziecięcy Narodowego then.

CeilingFly · 31-10-2017 03:54PM

Swanner wrote: »

And you clearly believe far too much sh1te spouted by politicians.

I used to work there and i couldn't disagree with you more..

But sure this is Ireland so lets spend well over a billion of tax payers hard earned cash to find out..

I assure you I take what politicians of all hues say with a pinch of salt. Generally they are only interested in getting elected at the next election.

Pre-eminent surgeons and one retired cancer surgeon in particular had been saying for a long time that James' was the best site due to the number of specialist consultants on site there who can be called on if required for a prodedure.
That's why is it so important for a specialist children's hospital to be co-located.

You can't have a full team of specialists for every issue that a child could suffer from sitting about. But those specialist are there dealing with adults a could of buildings away and so when the need arises, they can be called over in a few minutes for their expertise.

They also argued very early on that traffic issue was a non issue as the number of daily admission would be small and most would be referrals from other hospitals and "booked in" for a better word.

But I agee, the naming of it is a very minor issue, but as usual you will get the knockers out for anything.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-10-2017 04:07PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Sell the naming rights (seriously) - it'll help offset the overspend.

The Ballymaloe Relish Children's Hospital

Anita Blow · 31-10-2017 04:47PM

Swanner wrote: »

I keep hearing it mentioned but this argument makes no sense. Expertise and facilities can be located anywhere.. including any parent hospital..

Buildings can be built, equipment can be moved and the expertise can take a different route to work every day..

It's not rocket science..

We had the opportunity to build a state of the art facility with zero access issues, unlimited scope for future expansion and most importantly, a green field site with massively reduced cost and disruption. Imagine what we could have built with the money saved on construction and disruptions costs alone..

Remember this will be the most expensive hospital in the world and that's just based on current cost projections alone..

The cost over runs on this will be astronomical.. Will we get the best healthcare in the world to match the price tag ? I sincerely doubt it.

Aside from all that, we also could have built a hospital surrounded by green space and fresh air.. Something hospitals abroad, in my experience, seem to understand the importance of..

But anyway, we're miles off topic.. The money is already being squandered and future generations will suffer as a result.

We should just call it what it is lest we ever forget..

The most expensive hospital in the world.

St James is the largest hospital in the state. It is 3x larger than the national children's hospital. It would be completely financially unfeasible to relocate it as it would literally cost billions for no improvement in clinical outcomes. If access is an issue then the surrounding area can be CPO'd and roads widened.

If you actually take a look at the top paediatric hospitals worldwide you will see their located within large cities- Sick Kids in downtown Toronto, CHOP in downtown Philadelphia, GOSH in Central London, Sydney CH in Central Sydney etc. This is done because they co-locate with pre-existing adult hospitals, they need to be close to major population centres with good public transport and they need to be located near attached hospitals. In the case of NCH it needs to be within suitable distance of the 3 major maternity hospitals as well.

The cost is extortionate I absolutely agree, but the location is absolutely evidence-based and done to maximise clinical outcomes which it will.

Spanish Eyes · 31-10-2017 04:51PM

Won't matter what they call it for their letterheads and websites, it will be called James' CH anyway.

What hospital is your little one in? Up in James'

diomed · 31-10-2017 05:08PM

The Hopsital.

Medical boards unhappy with proposed children's hospital name

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