Medical boards unhappy with proposed children's hospital name

exaisle

Apparently Phoenix Children's Hospital conflicts with one of the same name in the US. Given that it shouldn't be in the centre of the city I'm not surprised that the muppets in charge couldn't pick a suitable name. They couldn't pick their own noses....

BTW, I'd much prefer Hospital McHospitalface myself....

McMurphy

exaisle wrote: »

Apparently Phoenix Children's Hospital conflicts with one of the same name in the US. Given that it shouldn't be in the centre of the city I'm not surprised that the muppets in charge couldn't pick a suitable name. They couldn't pick their own noses....

BTW, I'd much prefer Hospital McHospitalface myself....

Sounds like any excuse for a whinge tbh, I'm sure there's a park somewhere in Phoenix AZ Too, but I've never yet jumped on a plane to the US because someone asked me to meet in the Phoenix park.

Surely theycould just tag "Dublin" on to the name to save the confusion.

Agree about the location though.

branie2

How about Hope Hospital?

Atoms for Peace

It should be named after Dr. Kathleen Lynn, she was a true revolutionary and pioneer in pediatric medicine here, who's efforts to put in place a proper children's hospital were sadly thwarted by the despicable Catholic hierarchy.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-name-children-s-hospital-after-kathleen-lynn-1.3271708%3fmode=amp

elperello

National Children's Hospital

CeilingFly

I agree, anything for a whinge.

There are over two dozen St. Vincent's hospitals in the USA. There's also a St. Vincent's hospital in Athy, co. Kildare.

I can't ever remember any report saying people are mixing them up.

Collie D

rte.ie wrote:

It also said the name is very insensitive to the families of children whose organs were retained and subsequently incinerated, and would serve as a constant reminder.

This bit particularly struck me as clutching at straws for something to complain about. Absolute sympathies to anyone who has lost a child but that's a massive leap and I'll hold my hand up if any bereaved parent is genuinely offended or upset by that.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Collie D wrote: »

This bit particularly struck me as clutching at straws for something to complain about. Absolute sympathies to anyone who has lost a child but that's a massive leap and I'll hold my hand up if any bereaved parent is genuinely offended or upset by that.

I felt exactly the same on reading that bit.

Jawgap

It's a stupid name for it.

Naming it after Kathleen Lynn would be appropriate. Or Dorothy Price - given her work in relation to childhood TB. It would also be quite poignant given that for all the kids lives she saved she was unable to have any herself.

Even just naming it the Children's Hospital would be better than using the name proposed.

Foweva Awone

I think Phoenix is a great name for a hospital, I love the positive symbolism. In fact my next tattoo is going to involve a phoenix, to represent renewal, strength, life, resilience, etc.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

National Children's Hospital

The name is already gone I believe :pac:

"The Adelaide and Meath Hospital, Dublin, incorporating the National Children's Hospital, often referred to simply as Tallaght Hospital".

I think this name may also give an indication of the type of messy politics that operate in the management of these hospitals.

CeilingFly

Jawgap wrote: »

It's a stupid name for it.

Naming it after Kathleen Lynn would be appropriate. Or Dorothy Price - given her work in relation to childhood TB. It would also be quite poignant given that for all the kids lives she saved she was unable to have any herself.

Even just naming it the Children's Hospital would be better than using the name proposed.

Why is it stupid?

Its a stone's throw from the phoenix park. Its also a recognisable name for children.

If they went down the route of naming after a person, it would go on for years and there'd be argument left right and centre.

Keep it simple, keep it geographical.

exaisle

exaisle wrote: »

Apparently Phoenix Children's Hospital conflicts with one of the same name in the US. Given that it shouldn't be in the centre of the city I'm not surprised that the muppets in charge couldn't pick a suitable name. They couldn't pick their own noses....

It's a stupid name. Be descriptive and call it Ospidéal Náisiúnta na Leanaí/National Children's Hospital and be done with it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a stupid name. Be descriptive and call it Ospidéal Náisiúnta na Leanaí/National Children's Hospital and be done with it.

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

January

Just call it National Children's Hospital, the one in Tallaght will just be a satellite once the new one opens anyway. Temple Street and Our Lady's in Crumlin will be gone too.

KungPao

It is a bit of a **** name. We do tend to give things pretty lame names, so it's par for the course.

Kian Orange Wall

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

You need to deal with that chip, I suggest.

Jawgap

CeilingFly wrote: »

Why is it stupid?

Its a stone's throw from the phoenix park. Its also a recognisable name for children.

If they went down the route of naming after a person, it would go on for years and there'd be argument left right and centre.

Keep it simple, keep it geographical.

Then call it the Phoenix Park Children's Hospital

Phoenix has zero resonance - it's meaningless. It's like its was intended to be as forgetable and meaningless as possible.

And so what it if the discussion drags on a bit - trust me, the cost and time over-runs on this project are going to be eye-watering (and that's before we get to the inevitable post-project litigation and arbitration)......we'll have loads of time to discuss it.

There's an opportunity to honour someone who contributed to the health and wellbeing we enjoy today and we should use it - and for once not name it after some saint, non-medical religious person or a politician.

......and who knows, maybe if we did name it after Price or Lynn people might have their interest piqued enough to go find out about the work they did and, you might even inspire the odd kid to follow a bit on their footsteps.

beauf

CeilingFly wrote: »

Why is it stupid?

Its a stone's throw from the phoenix park. Its also a recognisable name for children.

If they went down the route of naming after a person, it would go on for years and there'd be argument left right and centre.

Keep it simple, keep it geographical.

Its not near the Phoenix Park. You wouldn't get off the bus at the Phoenix park to get to the hospital. They had to rename the Phoenix Park Train station for the same imbecilic thinking behind naming things.

Its St James, or Mount Brown. Probably stick to the same name as the Luas Stop.

When you stick it in your sat nav and see all the red lines of traffic grid lock leading to it. It will hard to forget.

CrabRevolution

I remember applying for a job in Tallaght Hospital. Obviously my research into the prospective employer was poor because I was wondering if there had been a mistake when I received an invitation to interview at the "Adelaide and Meath Hospital, incorporating the National Children's Hospital"

St. James' and AMNCH were both founded from the bunch of a half dozen or so small hospitals associated with Trinity college. They were no longer fit for purpose and had to be combined. The 3 hospitals now in Tallaght were very insistent on keeping their old identities and ethos (particularly the Adelaide, which was concerned that if it closed there would be no remaining protestant hospitals in Ireland), hence the structure the hospital now has.

beauf

Foweva Awone wrote: »

I think Phoenix is a great name for a hospital, I love the positive symbolism. In fact my next tattoo is going to involve a phoenix, to represent renewal, strength, life, resilience, etc.

It would be a ok name if we didn't have a location called phoenix park in the city.

kneemos

The Amazon Hospital,due to its inaccessibility.

beauf

Maybe they could incorporate the eircode in the name. Nice and catchy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWc3WY3fuZU

An tUasal C

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

Any hospital I've been to in Ireland has had an Irish-equivilent name. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Rubberchikken

The whole thing is a fiasco and an inquiry waiting to happen.
If things were properly looked into in this country then those that are benefiting the most would have been revealed long ago. It's most definitely not the sick kids or their parents.

Location is absolutely ridiculous. The name is pointless and the cost is out of all order. Better hospitals gave been built for less but don't ever build anything in this country for a fair and proper amount because god forbid the developers and their ilk won't make a profit then.

suicide_circus

Hospitaly McHospitalface

blueser

branie2 wrote: »

How about Hope Hospital?

You'd have the same issues as with the original suggestion. There's a Hope Hospital in Salford, greater Manchester. Though that is now known as Salford Royal Hospital.

Are Am Eye

The 'phoenix' in the name of the park was an anglicisation/bastardisation of Fionn Uisce - pure or clear water. Nothing to do with greek myth or rising from the ashes.

These names are all too dreary though. People burdened with the troubles
and worries of sickness need a bright and hopeful environment.
Let the name be 'The Flamingo', 'Sparkles', 'Tropicana' or 'The Desert Inn'

The nurses could dress like croupiers or black jack dealers. The Doctors and Consultants in tuxedos being rich gamblers. Medications can be brought around in champagne flutes on silver trays. Bands, entertainment acts, Tigers and Circus extravaganzas. Not to mention Show Girls.

James' and the Children's Hospital collectively referred to as The Strip

Jawgap

Sell the naming rights (seriously) - it'll help offset the overspend.

branie2

Are Am Eye wrote: »

The 'phoenix' in the name of the park was an anglicisation/bastardisation of Fionn Uisce - pure or clear water. Nothing to do with greek myth or rising from the ashes.

These names are all too dreary though. People burdened with the troubles
and worries of sickness need a bright and hopeful environment.
Let the name be 'The Flamingo', 'Sparkles', 'Tropicana' or 'The Desert Inn'

The nurses could dress like croupiers or black jack dealers. The Doctors and Consultants in tuxedos being rich gamblers. Medications can be brought around in champagne flutes on silver trays. Bands, entertainment acts, Tigers and Circus extravaganzas. Not to mention Show Girls.

James' and the Children's Hospital collectively referred to as The Strip

What would the kiddies think of that?

Ash.J.Williams

I like the idea of giving a children's hospital a name that resonates with kids..

whoopsadoodles

Collie D wrote: »

This bit particularly struck me as clutching at straws for something to complain about. Absolute sympathies to anyone who has lost a child but that's a massive leap and I'll hold my hand up if any bereaved parent is genuinely offended or upset by that.

Agreed.

Pathetic.

Anyway, you'd think that if it was a reminder at all it would be a good one. No?

whoopsadoodles

Are Am Eye wrote: »

These names are all too dreary though. People burdened with the troubles
and worries of sickness need a bright and hopeful environment.
Let the name be 'The Flamingo', 'Sparkles', 'Tropicana' or 'The Desert Inn'

The nurses could dress like croupiers or black jack dealers. The Doctors and Consultants in tuxedos being rich gamblers. Medications can be brought around in champagne flutes on silver trays. Bands, entertainment acts, Tigers and Circus extravaganzas. Not to mention Show Girls.

James' and the Children's Hospital collectively referred to as The Strip

You should run for president.

myshirt

The Bertie Bowl

elperello

This country has a problem with alcohol. We have named the new children's hospital after a beer!

https://brandnewretro.ie/2014/04/12/phoenix-beer-waterford-2-adverts-from-1969/

sullivlo

CeilingFly wrote: »

I agree, anything for a whinge.

There are over two dozen St. Vincent's hospitals in the USA. There's also a St. Vincent's hospital in Athy, co. Kildare.

I can't ever remember any report saying people are mixing them up.

There’s even a second St Vincent’s hospital in Dublin! I got them confused once.

Are Am Eye

branie2 wrote: »

What would the kiddies think of that?

I think they would pick up on the upbeat energy and joy of it all.
It would be very conducive to healing and wellness.
And they'd be learning card games and slots to boot.

beauf

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I think they would pick up on the upbeat energy and joy of it all.
It would be very conducive to healing and wellness.
And they'd be learning card games and slots to boot.

It would be a bit of gamble though....

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

The Coca ColaTM Children's Hospital.

Jawgap wrote: »

Sell the naming rights (seriously) - it'll help offset the overspend.

RobertKK

The repeal the 8th children's hospital to avoid a bed shortage.

Pherekydes

Are they not going to call it after a saint? The iOnanists will be outraged.

St Phoenix children's hospital sounds Ok, doesn't it?

branie2

If I were to name it after a saint, I'd name it after Saint Bernadette of Lourdes. After all, she was a sick child herself.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Deleted User wrote: »

You need to deal with that chip, I suggest.

You make a huge and erroneous assumption there. I have no chip whatsoever and was just stating a fact. Indeed I probably underestimated the proportion of the country that would struggle to pronounce or é a litriú.

This is why nothing ever gets done in this country.

We cant even agree on a minor thing like the name for the hospital, never mind the actual big decisions that will really affect the kids in there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pherekydes wrote: »

Are they not going to call it after a saint? The iOnanists will be outraged.

St Phoenix children's hospital sounds Ok, doesn't it?

branie2 wrote: »

If I were to name it after a saint, I'd name it after Saint Bernadette of Lourdes. After all, she was a sick child herself.

Ah, don't name it after a saint - we're trying to present ourselves as a secular state, remember?

Jawgap

Seamus Mushy Virtuoso wrote: »

The Coca ColaTM Children's Hospital.

I've had occasion to be in the Hasbro Children's Hospital in Providence and it's very impressive......plus the sick kids get some relief/distraction through having a plethora of great toys to play with.

Noveight

Call it the National Children's Hopsital, just to annoy the pedants.

Victor

There was a previous problem with people confusing St. James's Hospital and James Connolly Hospital. It should have a name based on what it does and where it does it / who it does it for.

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

It should be named after Dr. Kathleen Lynn, she was a true revolutionary and pioneer in pediatric medicine here, who's efforts to put in place a proper children's hospital were sadly thwarted by the despicable Catholic hierarchy.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-name-children-s-hospital-after-kathleen-lynn-1.3271708%3fmode=amp

So, you are sending your child to the Lynn Hospital in Dublin - that's going to do wonder for morale, isn't it?

Kathleen Lynn was a captain in the 1916 Rising. The rebels occupied the South Dublin Union, what is now St. James's Hospital and the 3,000 or so occupants - patients with mental health, intellectual disability issues, elderly and poor were subjected to a week of being in the middle of battle. This indicates a distinct failure of judgement and I don't think she should have a hospital named for her.

branie2 wrote: »

If I were to name it after a saint, I'd name it after Saint Bernadette of Lourdes. After all, she was a sick child herself.

It's not in Lourdes, so don't donfuse things. We already have Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital, Drogheda.

KungPao

To reflect the area chosen, perhaps National Childers Hostible?

SEPT 23 1989

If they name it Phoenix its guaranteed to burn down

dr.fuzzenstein

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

If they name it Phoenix its guaranteed to burn down

Yeah, but that won't be a big deal.