Medical boards unhappy with proposed children's hospital name

exaisle · 29-10-2017 04:46PM #1

Apparently Phoenix Children's Hospital conflicts with one of the same name in the US. Given that it shouldn't be in the centre of the city I'm not surprised that the muppets in charge couldn't pick a suitable name. They couldn't pick their own noses....

BTW, I'd much prefer Hospital McHospitalface myself....

McMurphy · 29-10-2017 04:54PM

exaisle wrote: »

Apparently Phoenix Children's Hospital conflicts with one of the same name in the US. Given that it shouldn't be in the centre of the city I'm not surprised that the muppets in charge couldn't pick a suitable name. They couldn't pick their own noses....

BTW, I'd much prefer Hospital McHospitalface myself....

Sounds like any excuse for a whinge tbh, I'm sure there's a park somewhere in Phoenix AZ Too, but I've never yet jumped on a plane to the US because someone asked me to meet in the Phoenix park.

Surely theycould just tag "Dublin" on to the name to save the confusion.

Agree about the location though.

branie2 · 29-10-2017 04:54PM

How about Hope Hospital?

Atoms for Peace · 29-10-2017 05:02PM

It should be named after Dr. Kathleen Lynn, she was a true revolutionary and pioneer in pediatric medicine here, who's efforts to put in place a proper children's hospital were sadly thwarted by the despicable Catholic hierarchy.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-name-children-s-hospital-after-kathleen-lynn-1.3271708%3fmode=amp

elperello · 29-10-2017 05:06PM

National Children's Hospital

CeilingFly · 29-10-2017 05:08PM

I agree, anything for a whinge.

There are over two dozen St. Vincent's hospitals in the USA. There's also a St. Vincent's hospital in Athy, co. Kildare.

I can't ever remember any report saying people are mixing them up.

Collie D · 29-10-2017 05:10PM

rte.ie wrote:

It also said the name is very insensitive to the families of children whose organs were retained and subsequently incinerated, and would serve as a constant reminder.

This bit particularly struck me as clutching at straws for something to complain about. Absolute sympathies to anyone who has lost a child but that's a massive leap and I'll hold my hand up if any bereaved parent is genuinely offended or upset by that.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 29-10-2017 05:11PM

Collie D wrote: »

This bit particularly struck me as clutching at straws for something to complain about. Absolute sympathies to anyone who has lost a child but that's a massive leap and I'll hold my hand up if any bereaved parent is genuinely offended or upset by that.

I felt exactly the same on reading that bit.

Jawgap · 29-10-2017 05:17PM

It's a stupid name for it.

Naming it after Kathleen Lynn would be appropriate. Or Dorothy Price - given her work in relation to childhood TB. It would also be quite poignant given that for all the kids lives she saved she was unable to have any herself.

Even just naming it the Children's Hospital would be better than using the name proposed.

Foweva Awone · 29-10-2017 05:21PM

I think Phoenix is a great name for a hospital, I love the positive symbolism. In fact my next tattoo is going to involve a phoenix, to represent renewal, strength, life, resilience, etc.

29-10-2017 05:21PM

elperello wrote: »

National Children's Hospital

The name is already gone I believe :pac:

"The Adelaide and Meath Hospital, Dublin, incorporating the National Children's Hospital, often referred to simply as Tallaght Hospital".

I think this name may also give an indication of the type of messy politics that operate in the management of these hospitals.

CeilingFly · 29-10-2017 05:24PM

Jawgap wrote: »

It's a stupid name for it.

Naming it after Kathleen Lynn would be appropriate. Or Dorothy Price - given her work in relation to childhood TB. It would also be quite poignant given that for all the kids lives she saved she was unable to have any herself.

Even just naming it the Children's Hospital would be better than using the name proposed.

Why is it stupid?

Its a stone's throw from the phoenix park. Its also a recognisable name for children.

If they went down the route of naming after a person, it would go on for years and there'd be argument left right and centre.

Keep it simple, keep it geographical.

29-10-2017 05:25PM

exaisle wrote: »

Apparently Phoenix Children's Hospital conflicts with one of the same name in the US. Given that it shouldn't be in the centre of the city I'm not surprised that the muppets in charge couldn't pick a suitable name. They couldn't pick their own noses....

It's a stupid name. Be descriptive and call it Ospidéal Náisiúnta na Leanaí/National Children's Hospital and be done with it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 29-10-2017 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a stupid name. Be descriptive and call it Ospidéal Náisiúnta na Leanaí/National Children's Hospital and be done with it.

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

January · 29-10-2017 05:27PM

Just call it National Children's Hospital, the one in Tallaght will just be a satellite once the new one opens anyway. Temple Street and Our Lady's in Crumlin will be gone too.

KungPao · 29-10-2017 05:28PM

It is a bit of a **** name. We do tend to give things pretty lame names, so it's par for the course.

29-10-2017 05:28PM

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

You need to deal with that chip, I suggest.

Jawgap · 29-10-2017 05:33PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Why is it stupid?

Its a stone's throw from the phoenix park. Its also a recognisable name for children.

If they went down the route of naming after a person, it would go on for years and there'd be argument left right and centre.

Keep it simple, keep it geographical.

Then call it the Phoenix Park Children's Hospital

Phoenix has zero resonance - it's meaningless. It's like its was intended to be as forgetable and meaningless as possible.

And so what it if the discussion drags on a bit - trust me, the cost and time over-runs on this project are going to be eye-watering (and that's before we get to the inevitable post-project litigation and arbitration)......we'll have loads of time to discuss it.

There's an opportunity to honour someone who contributed to the health and wellbeing we enjoy today and we should use it - and for once not name it after some saint, non-medical religious person or a politician.

......and who knows, maybe if we did name it after Price or Lynn people might have their interest piqued enough to go find out about the work they did and, you might even inspire the odd kid to follow a bit on their footsteps.

beauf · 29-10-2017 05:36PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Why is it stupid?

Its a stone's throw from the phoenix park. Its also a recognisable name for children.

If they went down the route of naming after a person, it would go on for years and there'd be argument left right and centre.

Keep it simple, keep it geographical.

Its not near the Phoenix Park. You wouldn't get off the bus at the Phoenix park to get to the hospital. They had to rename the Phoenix Park Train station for the same imbecilic thinking behind naming things.

Its St James, or Mount Brown. Probably stick to the same name as the Luas Stop.

When you stick it in your sat nav and see all the red lines of traffic grid lock leading to it. It will hard to forget.

CrabRevolution · 29-10-2017 05:41PM

I remember applying for a job in Tallaght Hospital. Obviously my research into the prospective employer was poor because I was wondering if there had been a mistake when I received an invitation to interview at the "Adelaide and Meath Hospital, incorporating the National Children's Hospital"

St. James' and AMNCH were both founded from the bunch of a half dozen or so small hospitals associated with Trinity college. They were no longer fit for purpose and had to be combined. The 3 hospitals now in Tallaght were very insistent on keeping their old identities and ethos (particularly the Adelaide, which was concerned that if it closed there would be no remaining protestant hospitals in Ireland), hence the structure the hospital now has.

beauf · 29-10-2017 05:41PM

Foweva Awone wrote: »

I think Phoenix is a great name for a hospital, I love the positive symbolism. In fact my next tattoo is going to involve a phoenix, to represent renewal, strength, life, resilience, etc.

It would be a ok name if we didn't have a location called phoenix park in the city.

kneemos · 29-10-2017 05:41PM

The Amazon Hospital,due to its inaccessibility.

beauf · 29-10-2017 05:48PM

Maybe they could incorporate the eircode in the name. Nice and catchy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWc3WY3fuZU

An tUasal C · 29-10-2017 05:52PM

Kian Orange Wall wrote: »

And half the country won't be able to spell nor pronounce it.

Any hospital I've been to in Ireland has had an Irish-equivilent name. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Rubberchikken · 29-10-2017 05:59PM

The whole thing is a fiasco and an inquiry waiting to happen.
If things were properly looked into in this country then those that are benefiting the most would have been revealed long ago. It's most definitely not the sick kids or their parents.

Location is absolutely ridiculous. The name is pointless and the cost is out of all order. Better hospitals gave been built for less but don't ever build anything in this country for a fair and proper amount because god forbid the developers and their ilk won't make a profit then.

suicide_circus · 29-10-2017 06:04PM

Hospitaly McHospitalface

blueser · 29-10-2017 06:12PM

branie2 wrote: »

How about Hope Hospital?

You'd have the same issues as with the original suggestion. There's a Hope Hospital in Salford, greater Manchester. Though that is now known as Salford Royal Hospital.

Are Am Eye · 29-10-2017 06:17PM

The 'phoenix' in the name of the park was an anglicisation/bastardisation of Fionn Uisce - pure or clear water. Nothing to do with greek myth or rising from the ashes.

These names are all too dreary though. People burdened with the troubles
and worries of sickness need a bright and hopeful environment.
Let the name be 'The Flamingo', 'Sparkles', 'Tropicana' or 'The Desert Inn'

The nurses could dress like croupiers or black jack dealers. The Doctors and Consultants in tuxedos being rich gamblers. Medications can be brought around in champagne flutes on silver trays. Bands, entertainment acts, Tigers and Circus extravaganzas. Not to mention Show Girls.

James' and the Children's Hospital collectively referred to as The Strip

Jawgap · 29-10-2017 06:20PM

Sell the naming rights (seriously) - it'll help offset the overspend.

branie2 · 29-10-2017 06:22PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

The 'phoenix' in the name of the park was an anglicisation/bastardisation of Fionn Uisce - pure or clear water. Nothing to do with greek myth or rising from the ashes.

These names are all too dreary though. People burdened with the troubles
and worries of sickness need a bright and hopeful environment.
Let the name be 'The Flamingo', 'Sparkles', 'Tropicana' or 'The Desert Inn'

The nurses could dress like croupiers or black jack dealers. The Doctors and Consultants in tuxedos being rich gamblers. Medications can be brought around in champagne flutes on silver trays. Bands, entertainment acts, Tigers and Circus extravaganzas. Not to mention Show Girls.

James' and the Children's Hospital collectively referred to as The Strip

What would the kiddies think of that?

Ash.J.Williams · 29-10-2017 06:23PM

I like the idea of giving a children's hospital a name that resonates with kids..

Medical boards unhappy with proposed children's hospital name

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