Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

randd1 · 27-10-2017 07:19PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Good point. She probably just liked the taste of his knob.

I can’t speak for her tastes, but like most people it’s pretty obvious to me that sexual favours were paid for.

Proving that money changed hands for them is another matter entirely, no matter how obvious it is.

And you never know, maybe she did just like the taste of his knob and this is a case of lust at first sight.

randd1 · 27-10-2017 07:21PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Who said business and pleasure can't mix.........according to one of the women on the front of a tabloid today "business" is up 70 per cent since this stuff was publicised?

Didn’t think Ballyragget was that big a place to be honest. Must be all the stag do’s down for the weekend

willietherock · 27-10-2017 07:25PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Good point. She probably just liked the taste of his knob.

Fifi has already made it clear it was a fake plastic cock she was deepthroating.

JJs Left Hand · 27-10-2017 07:29PM

Pender gone as well

danganabu · 27-10-2017 07:32PM

randd1 wrote: »

If you pay for a private room in an establishment, it’s a private setting. It’s one of the reasons why hotels can throw people out of a wedding reception when they shouldn’t be there. There’s actually laws around it. Hell, with some some pubs and clubs you can actually have them close for a few hours for private parties.

And I never said that the sexual favours weren’t paid for, a blind man could see that they were, I said it would be impossibly to prove as all anyone would have to say is that the sexy stuff (which isn’t illegal) happened after the stripping (which also isn’t illegal) was done.

Unless they’re physically caught handing the money for sexual favours and then caught in the act, there’s nothing anyone can do under the law.

I assume you will be getting the call from the Bally boys with your legal expertise

now that an official case has been opened.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 07:37PM

Comerman wrote: »

**** just gets better.
http://kclr96fm.com/gardai-confirm-investigating-ballyragget-celebrations/
Fifi or whatever her name was is an open prostitute so why aren't herself and her buddy investigated/arrested???

Maybe because being a prostitute is not illegal?

randd1 · 27-10-2017 07:41PM

danganabu wrote: »

I assume you will be getting the call from the Bally boys with your legal expertise now that an official case has been opened.

The official case is just for show, trust me on that one due to it being mentioned by politicians.

Legally, you need proof of transaction to secure a conviction in these cases.

And I’m sure the Bally lads will be well able to afford a barrister for this with the amount of money they’ll make from the lads weekends and charging for challenge matches

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 07:44PM

randd1 wrote: »

Unless they’re physically caught handing the money for sexual favours and then caught in the act, there’s nothing anyone can do under the law.

Not the case at all. Almost invariably prosecution of people involved in this business in the past has had to rely on plausible witness testimony rather than direct evidence. If the Guards were bloody-minded enough to do it, a little pressure on some individuals would quickly lead to them singing like canaries to cover themselves. Let's face it, discretion was hardly an overarching theme of that group anyway.

danganabu · 27-10-2017 07:45PM

randd1 wrote: »

The official case is just for show, trust me on that one due to it being mentioned by politicians.

Legally, you need proof of transaction to secure a conviction in these cases.

And I’m sure the Bally lads will be well able to afford a barrister for this with the amount of money they’ll make from the lads weekends and charging for challenge matches

I hope are right re the motives for the enquiry but you are completely off the mark on your legal interpretations.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 07:48PM

Maybe they could argue that they asked the girls for a few 'pucks' but the girls seemed to have misheard them?

brookville · 27-10-2017 07:51PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Pender gone as well

It's not surprising,fennelly will probably be next,best of luck to the two lads,john joe and mick walsh will hardly stick it out either.
We'll have to blood lads like evan cody,conor delaney and hope cleere is ready to start.

randd1 · 27-10-2017 07:58PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Maybe they could argue that they asked the girls for a few 'pucks' but the girls seemed to have misheard them?

brilliant

kilkennyboy · 27-10-2017 08:12PM

she is now claiming. she went upstairs in the pub and gave the full services. and that two of the group also got sorted on Wednesday night.
if she would shut up the story would die.
expect county board leave it lie for a few weeks and then take no action. they definitely need to cul a few from their WhatsApp group.

brooke 2 · 27-10-2017 08:13PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

I've never in my life seen a lad get a blowjob in the middle of a pub.

It was hilarious hearing a guy on radio during the week - with Ivan Yates, I think - saying that the government really needs to do something to help
protect people's privacy online!! Always someone else's fault as far as certain individuals are concerned.

kilkennyboy · 27-10-2017 08:15PM

think the village will get their matchups right on Sunday and will have to much for Boro.
Larkin and Scanlon the difference.

davidx40 · 27-10-2017 08:25PM

Best of luck to Kerian Joyce a great servant who always played with real honesty.......we have some rebuilding of panel to do with 3/4 more to go yet .....

brooke 2 · 27-10-2017 08:44PM

kilkennyboy wrote: »

she is now claiming. she went upstairs in the pub and gave the full services. and that two of the group also got sorted on Wednesday night.
if she would shut up the story would die.
expect county board leave it lie for a few weeks and then take no action. they definitely need to cul a few from their WhatsApp group.

Doubt very much she will shut up for a while. She seems to be milking (pun intended;)) this for all it is worth. After all, she is supposed to have said
business is up by 70% since all this started!!

brookville · 27-10-2017 08:48PM

davidx40 wrote: »

Best of luck to Kerian Joyce a great servant who always played with real honesty.......we have some rebuilding of panel to do with 3/4 more to go yet .....

I agree with the above best of look to joyce,a nice lad aswell,I was disappointed he didn't see more time during the year,they should of left him at 3 after the wexford game and moved padraig out to 5,joey,lyng,joey and o shea probably ahead of him with management in the pecking order this year and I'm sure he would of seen less time next year,huge commitment but players retiring frighteningly young now.Hopefully hogan doesn't go....

LeoB · 27-10-2017 08:52PM

I find this whole thing very funny. I heard people giving out about these lads today and couldnt believe my ears. This is going on every weekend at stag and hen parties all over Ireland and not to mention what some holy Joe's get up to on their weekends away or trips to Ibiza. Look at some of the documentaries on TV about groups heading abroad and what they get up to. And it is not only lads. Iv seen "girls" from a top Irish school in a terrible state on a school trip.

We have a group of lads on a beer session. It was careless of them to do it in a local pub but as someone else said I sooner see this going on than a lad having a load of drink and driving a car. If one lad had the cop on to stay somewhat sober and not allow others to film we would never have heard of it.

I hope the young lad at the centre of this gets on ok and it is not held against him. Id say they will get some serious sledging in their next few games.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 09:26PM

LeoB wrote: »

I find this whole thing very funny. I heard people giving out about these lads today and couldnt believe my ears. This is going on every weekend at stag and hen parties all over Ireland and not to mention what some holy Joe's get up to on their weekends away or trips to Ibiza. Look at some of the documentaries on TV about groups heading abroad and what they get up to. And it is not only lads. Iv seen "girls" from a top Irish school in a terrible state on a school trip.

We have a group of lads on a beer session. It was careless of them to do it in a local pub but as someone else said I sooner see this going on than a lad having a load of drink and driving a car. If one lad had the cop on to stay somewhat sober and not allow others to film we would never have heard of it.

I hope the young lad at the centre of this gets on ok and it is not held against him. Id say they will get some serious sledging in their next few games.

It goes on every weekend? Never realised there was such demand for hookers. But I would take issue with the idea that someone should have stayed sober and "not allow others to film him". In a group of under 25s who always have a phone in their hand and will video anything that can be used "for a laugh" the trick was not to carry on like that publicly in the first place. How do you prevent a roomful of individuals from filming you? Only by not giving them reason to do so. Unfortunately in the post-prudish society it's not a popular thing to say. Everyone is to blame except the guy who whipped his c.ock out.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-10-2017 09:39PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

. Unfortunately in the post-prudish society

The what? What's post-prudish about it? The whole country is looking down their fcuking monocles at the chap and tut tutting. Or is the problem that society isn't prudish enough? It seems plenty fcuking prudish to me anyway.

randd1 · 27-10-2017 09:40PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

It goes on every weekend? Never realised there was such demand for hookers. But I would take issue with the idea that someone should have stayed sober and "not allow others to film him". In a group of under 25s who always have a phone in their hand and will video anything that can be used "for a laugh" the trick was not to carry on like that publicly in the first place. How do you prevent a roomful of individuals from filming you? Only by not giving them reason to do so. Unfortunately in the post-prudish society it's not a popular thing to say. Everyone is to blame except the guy who whipped his c.ock out.

If there was no demand for hookers, there wouldn’t be any.

And I think it was Fifi that whipped the cock out in fairness.

LeoB · 27-10-2017 10:04PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

It goes on every weekend? Never realised there was such demand for hookers. But I would take issue with the idea that someone should have stayed sober and "not allow others to film him". In a group of under 25s who always have a phone in their hand and will video anything that can be used "for a laugh" the trick was not to carry on like that publicly in the first place. How do you prevent a roomful of individuals from filming you? Only by not giving them reason to do so. Unfortunately in the post-prudish society it's not a popular thing to say. Everyone is to blame except the guy who whipped his c.ock out.

Maybe you live a sheltered life, nothing wrong with that by the way.
The point I am making is the whole thing is blown out of proportion by "SOME" hypocrites. Whether we like it or not this IS going on every weekend all over Ireland. Whether we like it or not some "Pillars" of our society go away to sun and go skinny dipping or to nudist beach, get into mud baths in night clubs, hit clubs and anything goes. But hat is ok for them.

We are way to prudish, or is it we are just too PC? I think it is the latter.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 10:41PM

randd1 wrote: »

If there was no demand for hookers, there wouldn’t be any.

.

And who said there was.NO demand?

27-10-2017 10:45PM

randd1 wrote: »

If there was no demand for hookers, there wouldn’t be any.

And I think it was Fifi that whipped the cock out in fairness.

I knew there was something off about her :pac:

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 10:48PM

LeoB wrote: »

Maybe you live a sheltered life, nothing wrong with that by the way.
The point I am making is the whole thing is blown out of proportion by "SOME" hypocrites. Whether we like it or not this IS going on every weekend all over Ireland. Whether we like it or not some "Pillars" of our society go away to sun and go skinny dipping or to nudist beach, get into mud baths in night clubs, hit clubs and anything goes. But hat is ok for them.

We are way to prudish, or is it we are just too PC? I think it is the latter.

Let people do whatever but just don't let anyone whinge when your "friends" put a video of you on social media which ends up on the front of national newspapers or else don't do it. Simple really.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-10-2017 10:58PM

Powerhouse wrote: »

Let people do whatever but just don't let anyone whinge when your "friends" put a video of you on social media which ends up on the front of national newspapers or else don't do it. Simple really.

Can you not see that what people are saying is that the culture of camera phones and social media creates a Puritanical situation where people's behaviour is subjected to mass reactions, nationwide and sometimes worldwide, that create a "punishment" that is wildly, massively disproportionate to the wrongdoing in the first place? That this culture does huge damage to the mental well-being of people caught in these firestorms, subject to a completely unregulated type of mob justice where their actions get fed into a kind of narrative (of one kind or another, in this case I'm guessing "toxic masculinity", but it could be anything), they become a symbol of some social ill of which they may never have heard, and become the focal point for an otherwise directionless rage?

I mean, if that is a fair or proportionate type of punishment, if the only lesson we have to learn as a society from events like this is that "eejits shouldn't do stupid things", then that's very handy because we don't have to do any introspection, asking ourselves what sort of values we, as a society, are actually espousing when we burn people like this at the stake. But it seems to me that in the rush to teach ourselves a lesson about the morality of hookers or lad culture or keeping ourselves off instagram, all of which we can safely burn these lads at the stake for, we let ourselves off the hook, not having to ask any questions about what the bloodlust these kinds of events provoke tells us about ourselves. Personally I'd rather we learned something from our tendency to do this kind of thing, than feel morally vindicated by declaring that these lads should have known better, as if that legitimates what has followed.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 11:06PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The what? What's post-prudish about it? The whole country is looking down their fcuking monocles at the chap and tut tutting. Or is the problem that society isn't prudish enough? It seems plenty fcuking prudish to me anyway.

What's post-prudish about it? The fact that some guy gets a blow job from a hooker in public leaving himself open to just what happened and the one person that it seems cannot accept any blame is the guy who put himself in that situation. Some people are even blaming the GAA club officials FFS!!

The whole country is not looking down their monocles at all. I had a guy with no interest in hurling today showing me on his phone all the pictures of orgies with "Ballyragget win the All Ireland" as a headline. He was not looking down any monocle. Yes, he thought that made gob****es of themselves but it was not from the perspective of prudeness. It gave him his laugh for this week.

I have come across nobody who had any opinion other than "did they not realise that filming it was a bad idea?" The idea of getting head off a hooker in private seems just old-fashioned. That's what I mean by the post-prudish society. I imagine it is a function of 24/7 internet porn which these guys would have grown up with but it is a psychological shift without doubt. Not sure why you baulk so much at the phrase. Your media intake must be limited to a very niche category if you find "whole country looking down their monocles" is all I can say. That view is massively detached from what I have experienced on this issue.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 11:17PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

1)Can you not see that what people are saying is that the culture of camera phones and social media creates a Puritanical situation where people's behaviour is subjected to mass reactions, nationwide and sometimes worldwide, that create a "punishment" that is wildly, massively disproportionate to the wrongdoing in the first place?

2) But it seems to me that in the rush to teach ourselves a lesson about the morality of hookers.

1) But the first point is nonsense because it's a reality that camera phones are there. If you cannot respect the reality that you are always a potential target for filming then maybe modify your behaviour accordingly. Otherwise just deal with it. And who said it was "wrongdoing" by the way? That's a subjective judgement. You mention it as if it's an objective demonstrable reality. The simple point is let nobody whinge when a clearly foreseeable situation develops and gains media momentum. If you behave in a certain way in a room full of camera phones, which is every room now, you are ceding control if your own circumstances. If that doesn't suit, get a room.

2) You seem to have a little of the puritan lurking within......who said anything about the "morality of hookers" or anyone else?

citykat · 27-10-2017 11:49PM

This **** is surely against charter rules at this stage. Does it not belong in AH?

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