Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

PeterCasey · 26-10-2017 10:10PM

randd1 wrote: »

There’s no actual proof that sexual favors were paid for.

It’s not illegal to hire a stripper, and it’s not illegal to engage in a sexual act in a private setting.

All anyone in this instance would have to say is that any sexual activity was purely for fun and not for money.

Have to laugh at the moralizing of some out there all the same, it seems in this country that we’re replacing the Catholic Church with the religion of being offended for the sake of being offended.

By the way, the strippers were for a 21st of a club member that was meant to be on Saturday night but was called off after Ballyragget won their SF against Tullaroan. They had it on an impromptu one on Tuesday for him as Ballyragget are due out in Leinster soon, and if they go further he would have to put it back until December depending on results. As for the cup, it was already in the pub since Sunday.

Is a pub a private setting.

spindex · 26-10-2017 10:16PM

PeterCasey wrote: »

Is a pub a private setting.

A pub is a Public house although this pub seems more like a pubic house !

PeterCasey · 26-10-2017 10:24PM

spindex wrote: »

A pub is a Public house although this pub seems more like a pubic house !

Exactly it is a public house.

Comerman · 26-10-2017 10:41PM

The man in red and black wrote:

Bases well covered there

Wasn't that one comment on the snapchat yoke
"tell everyone it was a 21st".

Big hoohaw over nothing really. I'd say plenty Kilkenny pubs have strippers at the weekends.

JeffKenna · 26-10-2017 11:32PM

Comerman wrote: »

Big hoohaw over nothing really. I'd say plenty Kilkenny pubs have strippers at the weekends.

I've never in my life seen a lad get a blowjob in the middle of a pub.

brooke 2 · 26-10-2017 11:56PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1719210/busty-stripper-filmed-dancing-topless-with-excited-kilkenny-hurling-bash-revellers-reveals-all-about-her-mad-night/

The censorship with the four sliotars!

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-10-2017 12:03AM

Comerman wrote: »

The man in red and black wrote:

Bases well covered there

Wasn't that one comment on the snapchat yoke
"tell everyone it was a 21st".

Big hoohaw over nothing really. I'd say plenty Kilkenny pubs have strippers at the weekends.

Yeah I'm sure it's a regular thing in the pubs of ballyragget to have two women wandering around starkers offering their services!

That said, you're right really about this being blown out of proportion. The witch hunt that's going on right now is ridiculous all the same though. And I'm starting to regret my own post a few pages back in the AH thread. Not that I was wrong (I said they were eejits and giving fuel to the people looking for an excuse to get a hatchet into the gaa), but I don't want to be among the bollockses on the moral high ground condemning anything, and raining down fire and Puritan brimstone on people in the name of liberalism. Loves will be destroyed out of this for the sake of a few column inches of moral superiority that will be soon forgotten by those that write them. By all accounts the lad at the center of the whole thing, eejit that he was to do it, is suffering serious consequences already. Will those consequences be proportionate to his offense? Will they fcuk.

I dunno. It's a funny story but I've a bad feeling about how it will play out for the people involved. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's all just a story for sledging the eejits in matches in a months time. But I'm a firm believer that these viral internet disgrace stories leave a trail of destruction after we've all stopped caring about them that is way beyond what any individual involved in the witch Hunt might ever have intended.

danganabu · 27-10-2017 12:29AM

randd1 wrote: »

There’s no actual proof that sexual favors were paid for.

It’s not illegal to hire a stripper, and it’s not illegal to engage in a sexual act in a private setting.

All anyone in this instance would have to say is that any sexual activity was purely for fun and not for money.

A public house is a private setting, that's an interesting interpretation

And if you think it wasn't paid for you are more naive than the fools with the phones, oh and sharing it on their phones is also illegal.

27-10-2017 12:41AM

danganabu wrote: »

A public house is a private setting, that's an interesting interpretation And if you think it wasn't paid for you are more naive than the fools with the phones, oh and sharing it on their phones is also illegal.

Perhaps so, but to be honest id rather our Gardai went after real criminals then waste a single second of time on this nonsense.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-10-2017 12:47AM

Just because it's called a public House doesn't make it a public setting surely. It's just a name not a legal definition. A publican can't stop me walking down o Connell street and tell me to leave, or bar me, because it's a public setting. But he can stop me coming into his pub, because that's his private property. It's not public space just because it's name includes the word public.

Ceist_Beag · 27-10-2017 08:36AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That said, you're right really about this being blown out of proportion. The witch hunt that's going on right now is ridiculous all the same though. And I'm starting to regret my own post a few pages back in the AH thread. Not that I was wrong (I said they were eejits and giving fuel to the people looking for an excuse to get a hatchet into the gaa), but I don't want to be among the bollockses on the moral high ground condemning anything, and raining down fire and Puritan brimstone on people in the name of liberalism. Loves will be destroyed out of this for the sake of a few column inches of moral superiority that will be soon forgotten by those that write them. By all accounts the lad at the center of the whole thing, eejit that he was to do it, is suffering serious consequences already. Will those consequences be proportionate to his offense? Will they fcuk.

I dunno. It's a funny story but I've a bad feeling about how it will play out for the people involved. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's all just a story for sledging the eejits in matches in a months time. But I'm a firm believer that these viral internet disgrace stories leave a trail of destruction after we've all stopped caring about them that is way beyond what any individual involved in the witch Hunt might ever have intended.

+1 Time to move on from this story and stop feeding the rats in the media. There are brothels all over Ireland, in many rural towns and the Gardai turn a blind eye to them. If they now get involved in this case it will be a poor reflection on them as it would indicate they are being dictated to by the media (don't for a second try and persuade me that the Gardai really care about clamping down on "escort services" in this country).
The real concern here should be for the young lad in the center of it all. As Realt said, this could haunt him for a long time and I hope he's able to cope with it and is getting help.

Sweet Science · 27-10-2017 09:01AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure it's a regular thing in the pubs of ballyragget to have two women wandering around starkers offering their services!

That said, you're right really about this being blown out of proportion. The witch hunt that's going on right now is ridiculous all the same though. And I'm starting to regret my own post a few pages back in the AH thread. Not that I was wrong (I said they were eejits and giving fuel to the people looking for an excuse to get a hatchet into the gaa), but I don't want to be among the bollockses on the moral high ground condemning anything, and raining down fire and Puritan brimstone on people in the name of liberalism. Loves will be destroyed out of this for the sake of a few column inches of moral superiority that will be soon forgotten by those that write them. By all accounts the lad at the center of the whole thing, eejit that he was to do it, is suffering serious consequences already. Will those consequences be proportionate to his offense? Will they fcuk.

I dunno. It's a funny story but I've a bad feeling about how it will play out for the people involved. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's all just a story for sledging the eejits in matches in a months time. But I'm a firm believer that these viral internet disgrace stories leave a trail of destruction after we've all stopped caring about them that is way beyond what any individual involved in the witch Hunt might ever have intended.

Great choice of words

robbiezero · 27-10-2017 09:54AM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

+1 Time to move on from this story and stop feeding the rats in the media. There are brothels all over Ireland, in many rural towns and the Gardai turn a blind eye to them. If they now get involved in this case it will be a poor reflection on them as it would indicate they are being dictated to by the media (don't for a second try and persuade me that the Gardai really care about clamping down on "escort services" in this country).
The real concern here should be for the young lad in the center of it all. As Realt said, this could haunt him for a long time and I hope he's able to cope with it and is getting help.

Agreed. Bit of perspective needed really, if a lad drank 8 pints and went and drove home, he has done something worse than this guy has.

PeterCasey · 27-10-2017 10:07AM

Hope next Sundays match will not hit the headlines like this did from Sean o Rourkes programme to late debate. To me a few people are wrong here the officers of the club which I think will get a slap on the hand , the publican for letting it go as far as it did a stripper happens every weekend at parties but obviously these girls were payed for extra services because they don't work for free the publican should have clearing this with who organsised the party because it puts his licence in danger when his licence is up for renewing. Hope it will stay fine overhead on Sunday we have a good match two teams coming from different angles one from relegation, the other is flying all year I have family in both camps.

KrustyUCC · 27-10-2017 10:16AM

why were the orfficers of the club wrong?

Comerman · 27-10-2017 10:40AM

My "hoohaw" point was, what was a celebration by a GAA club has turned into a whole moral thing about prostitutes and a chap getting a bj.
Is it a GAA or public decency thing? For me it was just young lads being lads and they made a Bollix of it (no pun intended) move along and get back to the two big games on Sunday please.
Anyone know what's the story with the student tickets??

danganabu · 27-10-2017 11:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps so, but to be honest id rather our Gardai went after real criminals then waste a single second of time on this nonsense.

I absolutely 100% agree, but was slightly surprised at the almost complete dismissal of it as just tomfoolery. And I know its a cliche but in a club like Ballyragget these guys have just won a county title and are seen, rightly or wrongly, as role models to the youngsters in the parish.

I would be more annoyed, if I was associated with the club, over the absolute stupidity and naivety of those that recorded and shared it than any of the lads involved in the actual incident.

Ceist_Beag · 27-10-2017 11:59AM

danganabu wrote: »

I would be more annoyed, if I was associated with the club, over the absolute stupidity and naivety of those that recorded and shared it than any of the lads involved in the actual incident.

+1 I fully expect that is the sentiment amongst most people.

greenspurs · 27-10-2017 12:03PM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

+1 I fully expect that is the sentiment amongst most people.

Except all the Do-Gooders, and Butterflies, and the "have to be Offended" kind of people .....
And Ruhama and now getting involved....

By jaysis this is some nightmare for St Pats, and for the the community...

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 03:26PM

randd1 wrote: »

There’s no actual proof that sexual favors were paid for.

Good point. She probably just liked the taste of his knob.

greenspurs · 27-10-2017 04:05PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/kilkenny-defender-kieran-joyce-retires-from-inter-county-hurling-811715.html

Kieran Joyce Retires !!!!!!! wow !!

JJs Left Hand · 27-10-2017 04:05PM

Kieran Joyce has retired. Best of luck to him.

tbiggertycome · 27-10-2017 04:14PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Kieran Joyce has retired. Best of luck to him.

Also heard Jonjoe Farrell and Michael Walsh have decided not to go back when the training starts in a few weeks time.

brookville · 27-10-2017 04:38PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Also heard Jonjoe Farrell and Michael Walsh have decided not to go back when the training starts in a few weeks time.

Dissapointed to see him go but after seeing little summer game time this year it was hard to see him stay,in thought he got a raw deal this year but I'd be shocked if lads like pender stayed on,its time to rebuild.
Joyce will best be remembered his performance against bonner in the 14 replay

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 05:52PM

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All anyone in this instance would have to say is that any sexual activity was purely for fun and not for money.

.[/QUOTE]

Who said business and pleasure can't mix.........according to one of the women on the front of a tabloid today "business" is up 70 per cent since this stuff was publicised?

dastardly00 · 27-10-2017 06:20PM

Best of luck to Kieran Joyce in the future. He had some great days in the black & amber.

Powerhouse · 27-10-2017 06:45PM

PeterCasey wrote: »

Hope next Sundays match will not hit the headlines like this did from Sean o Rourkes programme to late debate. To me a few people are wrong here the officers of the club which I think will get a slap on the hand , the publican for letting it go as far as it did a stripper happens every weekend at parties but obviously these girls were payed for extra services because they don't work for free the publican should have clearing this with who organsised the party because it puts his licence in danger when his licence is up for renewing.

Have to laugh at this argument.........essentially it is the fault of everyone (including the officers of the club who might have been sitting at home at the time....FFS!!!) except the people centrally involved who were the only people with a direct decision to make about being involved or those who put the video up on social media. You couldn't make it up.

randd1 · 27-10-2017 07:02PM

PeterCasey wrote: »

Is a pub a private setting.

No, but you can organize a private event in a pub in a room that’s closed to the rest of the establishment (if the pub allows it) that wouldn’t be open to the general public, essentially making it a private setting.

Comerman · 27-10-2017 07:04PM

**** just gets better.
http://kclr96fm.com/gardai-confirm-investigating-ballyragget-celebrations/
Fifi or whatever her name was is an open prostitute so why aren't herself and her buddy investigated/arrested???

randd1 · 27-10-2017 07:12PM

danganabu wrote: »

A public house is a private setting, that's an interesting interpretation And if you think it wasn't paid for you are more naive than the fools with the phones, oh and sharing it on their phones is also illegal.

If you pay for a private room in an establishment, it’s a private setting. It’s one of the reasons why hotels can throw people out of a wedding reception when they shouldn’t be there. There’s actually laws around it. Hell, with some some pubs and clubs you can actually have them close for a few hours for private parties.

And I never said that the sexual favours weren’t paid for, a blind man could see that they were, I said it would be impossibly to prove as all anyone would have to say is that the sexy stuff (which isn’t illegal) happened after the stripping (which also isn’t illegal) was done.

Unless they’re physically caught handing the money for sexual favours and then caught in the act, there’s nothing anyone can do under the law.

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