Bailey point, Salthill and other stuff

Deleted User wrote: »

No idea.

I was walking the prom a few weeks back and took a good look at it, it's in a disastrous state on the exterior now.

Whoever is managing it now need to look at dipping into the sinking fund ASAP before serious structural damage is done

Pyrite in the foundations and walls, told by a person in the know.

It looks terrible, but so do several buildings in Salthill. The area could really do with some more investment. The Sacre Coeur (is anything happening with the site?), The Warwick, The Spinnaker, Burren Mount etc...

youngrun wrote: »

Not forgetting the Oasis , tourist office, the old Kitty o sheas pub, site beside burrenmount etc etc
Surely some kind of Tourist Area or Urban renewal scheme needed . or even Apartment developments overhead commercials, they sell or rent all day

Yep, it would be nice to see something happen with it over the next few years. Especially seeing as Salthill is considered to be one of the nicer parts of the city. There hasn't been much investment in the city over the past decade.

youngrun wrote: »

There could be another massive thread on this very point, the city is basically maxed out at present, not enough road infrastructure/public transport, very little housing or new build commercial since 2006 . I guess it needs private investors to push on but there must be a role for government, regional agencies and city and county council in an overall action plan .

Salthill seems to be going ok, food wise /coffee etc but a lot more potential there

Galway City Development Plan information is available here: http://www.galwaycity.ie/development-plan-downloads-2017/

The County Council has a similar plan - not so relevant to this thread, because Salthill is in the city.

AFAIK, the council's role is to set the strategy and make planning decisions, not to make investments.

Salthill needs to decide what it is, most of the time its all about the tourists, businesses. locals, who keep said businesses going in the summer have very few facilities. For example, there is no direct bus to the family shop type shops if you don't want to go into town. The availability of non lane swimming at the pool is a joke if ppl are available days, no walkabile entertainment that isn't bingo/slots/tennis/gaa, now with the stadia being expanded not enough parking or staff to enforce parking on those days. Need I mention the flooding and anti social behavior?

Bredabe wrote: »

Salthill needs to decide what it is, most of the time its all about the tourists, businesses. locals, who keep said businesses going in the summer have very few facilities.

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For example, there is no direct bus to the family shop type shops if you don't want to go into town.

I presume you mean winter.

Church. Bingo hall. Several doctors surgeries. Big physio clinic. Osteopath. GAA club. Tennis club. Golf course. Quincentenniary (? Spelling) park. Several schools, primary and secondary. Post office. Women's refuge. Several respite care homes. Accountancy firm. All more useful to locals than tourists.

Bus 410 runs from Eyre Square to Knocknacarra, via Salthill and Joyces. Currently a 6-day service, with Sunday buses being trialled this month.

Bredabe wrote: »

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I presume you mean winter.

Church. Bingo hall. Several doctors surgeries. Big physio clinic. Osteopath. GAA club. Tennis club. Golf course. Quincentenniary (? Spelling) park. Several schools, primary and secondary. Post office. Women's refuge. Several respite care homes. Accountancy firm. All more useful to locals than tourists.

Bus 410 runs from Eyre Square to Knocknacarra, via Salthill and Joyce. Currently a 6-day service, with Sunday buses being trialed this month.[/QUO

As I say, very little there for residence if they were not interested in schools/churches/gaa. The rest are either businesses or services that are available in most areas.
Today, I cant get a bus on the Salthill road to say, Dunnes or Joyce and I don't believe that trial will take off, not that once an hour is enough anyway. That does not negate the need for family shop type outlets, even more important now there will be more BUSINESSES that cater to older people and self-catering. I for one would not call a refuge/hardstand/DPC, facilities, more a sad reflection on how this country treats it's vulnerable.
While the parks can be lovely, they have issues with broken glass/vandalism/anti-social behavior.
As I say, it needs to decide what it is, and build accordingly.

Youre looking for a large supermarket to sort Salthills woes? Its just that thats all youve really mentioned in your posts. Salthill is a 'village' catering to tourists for large swathes of the year, locals keep the businesses ticking over for the rest of the year. Some private investment in the derelict buildings would improve the work of recent years. There are nice places to eat, drink and relax out there, moreso than most other city suburbs too.

Bredabe wrote: »

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Not sure who this is aimed at, as MOB didn't mention a supermarket, but I'll answer that anyway, yes I'm looking for a supermarket, a cinema, indoor play facilities for children and a covered cycle/running/jogging lane to name a few. All of these will benefit tourists and locals alike. Given that there will be another largish retirement home/hostel/apartments in the area shortly, I think a family shop supermarket is the least these people will want. If they get into the habit of going to knocknacarra or into town, they will shop local less, not more.
I'm told there are nice places to eat and drink in Salthill, but as there a people who have lived there for generations, there should, in my opinion, be more facilities like those for ppl who actually shop local when the tourists leave.

Many many resorts in the world manage to blend the needs of the local population with the wants of tourists. Salthill is getting left behind in this regard, such a shame as ppl believe that home-based holidays will boom in the near future.

I suppose SuperValu (soon to be Joyce's) could be counted as Salthill at a push. You couldn't really have one right in the village due to traffic issues.

People will still drive there if it's a 'name' supermarket. Old habits die hard.
Nothing is going to happen with the Burrenmount for a while. Ditto for the casino, the licence is still being kept alive for the future.
The only place would be the back of Salthill but the residents won't have that.
While I agree Salthill needs regeneration (always has done), a supermarket wouldn't be near the top of my priorities. Centra etc have pretty much anything the locals need.

thesandeman wrote: »

People will still drive there if it's a 'name' supermarket. Old habits die hard.
Nothing is going to happen with the Burrenmount for a while. Ditto for the casino, the licence is still being kept alive for the future.
The only place would be the back of Salthill but the residents won't have that.
While I agree Salthill needs regeneration (always has done), a supermarket wouldn't be near the top of my priorities. Centra etc have pretty much anything the locals need.

I see what you are saying, but for me and my family, Centra doesn't have what we need usually when they do it's cheaper to go into town for it. I agree that there are many things that need doing up and repurposing, but as the place still seems to be run for the benefit of businesses, I'm not holding my breath on it. As I said before, that's a shame as the same businesses will suffer when ppl chose to holiday somewhere else cause Salthill has fewer facilities.

I had a similar conversation where my O/H lives in the Uk re the car-v-walking to local supermarkets, I was told people wouldn't walk to shops and carry home heavy shopping. Which is true in a way, but this car dependency cant go on, and shortly ppl will be looking for way's to exercise in their day, if they have a facility to walk too, they will, its what happens there and I cant see why it wouldn't happen here.
Especially as it would be handy and cost effective to buy on lunch breaks, before/after work as suits. Not to mention the money those shops will make match days and holidays.
The norm in most places set out like that is, shop at lunchtime, grab readymade food/drinks on the way home(obv not every night).
While you may not think a supermarket is a priority, I do, It shameful that I have to leave to spend my money because the selection of shops or their opening hours doesn't suit, anding add to air pollution. We should not underestimate the social aspects of shopping in a large shop for elderly or the stay at home workers, who leave as much or more money in business tills as the tourists.
As a matter of curiosity, what would you think are the most important things to build in salthill?

Bredabe wrote: »

As I say, very little there for residence if they were not interested in schools/churches/gaa. The rest are either businesses or services that are available in most areas.
Today, I cant get a bus on the Salthill road to say, Dunnes or Joyce...

Ahh, today is Tuesday. So yes, you can.

• Bus 401 goes from Pearce Stadium, down the hill, then most of the length of Salthill and will drop you outside the former SuperValu in the Claddagh, now also a Joyces.
• Bus 410 runs the length of Salthill, and will drop you outside Joyces Knocknacarra - or in the other direction at the hospital, a very important feature for an aging neighbourhood! Agree that an hourly service on it isn't great - but it's not the only option

A large supermarket is never going to be built on prime sea-front land. And the amount of space that it would require for carparking is large - are you aware that the parking behind Bailey point already gets substantial use, I assume from people living there. Far more would be needed. Underground parking would be a flooding nightmare. And large trucks with late night / early morning delivery noises may upset delicate ears.


Re your other facilities:
Cinema - yeah, I can see that being handy. Not sure how viable it would be, though, with three other cinemas in town. Also not a building that could capitalise on the seafront views, so best located elsewhere.

Covered running track - I'm not sure how that would work, cannot see people being happy with losing regular park-space to covered park space, and surely it would be a magnet for covered bush-drinking. Are there similar facilities anywhere else in the country?

Indoor children's play area - you mean like there is in Seapoint? Or maybe the Monkey-Business type thing that is in Galway Shopping Centre? There would be space for such a thing in Leisureland, surprised the management there haven't tried it already - or maybe they did, and know that it would be a zoo. (Actually, I have a feeling that Leisureland has an indoor play area near the cafe ... maybe that was pre-storm-refurb though.)


Comparing Salthill to other suburbs, say, Newcastle or Renmore, it looks to me Salthill already has an impressive array of facilities.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ahh, today is Tuesday. So yes, you can.

• Bus 401 goes from Pearce Stadium, down the hill, then most of the length of Salthill and will drop you outside the former SuperValu in the Claddagh, now also a Joyces.
• Bus 410 runs the length of Salthill, and will drop you outside Joyces Knocknacarra - or in the other direction at the hospital, a very important feature for an aging neighbourhood! Agree that an hourly service on it isn't great - but it's not the only option

A large supermarket is never going to be built on prime sea-front land. And the amount of space that it would require for carparking is large - are you aware that the parking behind Bailey point already gets substantial use, I assume from people living there. Far more would be needed. Underground parking would be a flooding nightmare. And large trucks with late night / early morning delivery noises may upset delicate ears.


Re your other facilities:
Cinema - yeah, I can see that being handy. Not sure how viable it would be, though, with three other cinemas in town. Also not a building that could capitalise on the seafront views, so best located elsewhere.

Covered running track - I'm not sure how that would work, cannot see people being happy with losing regular park-space to covered park space, and surely it would be a magnet for covered bush-drinking. Are there similar facilities anywhere else in the country?

Indoor children's play area - you mean like there is in Seapoint? Or maybe the Monkey-Business type thing that is in Galway Shopping Centre? There would be space for such a thing in Leisureland, surprised the management there haven't tried it already - or maybe they did, and know that it would be a zoo. (Actually, I have a feeling that Leisureland has an indoor play area near the cafe ... maybe that was pre-storm-refurb though.)


Comparing Salthill to other suburbs, say, Newcastle or Renmore, it looks to me Salthill already has an impressive array of facilities.

You forgot to mention the 410 salthill to knocknacarra stops at 5 or 6 pm though.

People park along the prom/Salthill though so that would make it difficult to facilitate a bike lane, especially during summer months. With cars parked on both sides near the aquarium the road really isn't that wide.

Was going to start a thread on this very topic and just happened to notice this one. As a visitor to Galway, the Baily is a real eyesore. But not just the Baily, there seem to be many apartment complexes whose exteriors don't seem to be maintained. And this applies both in Salthill and the city itself. I can't understand why the management companies aren't repainting the exteriors or why the council doesn't put pressure on them to do so?! It's like everyone is turning a blind eye to the reality of the situation...

J.pilkington wrote: »

Let’s rip up car parks facilities and exclude motorists, what an unsurprising post from you...

So we remove all the car parking spaces from the prom side of the road and install a rollerblade lane. Please tell me who will use this rollerblade lane? I would estimate that a very very large % of the people who walk the prom arrive in cars (families etc). Salthill would die a death if promside parking was removed.

Sometimes I wonder do you post off the wall anti car posts just to garner a reaction (that sounds like the definition of something...)?

This is not a very surprising response from you.
Not excluding anybody. You would still have large car parks in Salthill and plenty of kerbside parking on the Salthill side all along the prom.
I often wonder do you post response without really thinking about what you are writing. That also has a definition.

For anyone with an interest in the Baily Point development, I have a small update. I haven’t seen anything official in the local media or received any correspondence from the property managers of the development. If what’s stated below is gossip, I apologise and it’s not my intention to spread rumours.

There was workers down in the underground car park last week. In fact, I thought the place had been broken into until I could hear vehicles and mechanical equipment both during the day and night. I spoke with one of the workers (as he was parked beside me) and he informed me the pumps were being repaired to start up again. He said he believed the bank had sold the commercial units below the apartments following the ruling on the court case earlier in the year. So, hopefully there’s some truth in all of this and we will see some regeneration of the development and some more life to the area.

Surely what is needed for that block of property and bits like the former oasis and the spinnaker is some sort of tax break for investor / developers to encourage them to do something with their sites and then an incentive to people to open up these newly created spaces. Perhaps a tax break for the first two or three years after commencement.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Look around, there's little to nothing on the market for sale or rent. No incentive needed

In general I'd agree but Salthill needs something to kick start things because you need people to look at it in a new light, its not one of the high profile demand driven locations at present.

EachSmallChime wrote: »

A lot of activity going on this week. There seems to be a crew hired to clear out one of the units.

Anything good in the skip, boss?