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Bailey point, Salthill and other stuff

  • 20-10-2017 8:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭ jkforde


    apologies for the resurrection of a dead thread but is the court case still going on regarding this place?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,939 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    No idea.

    I was walking the prom a few weeks back and took a good look at it, it's in a disastrous state on the exterior now.

    Whoever is managing it now need to look at dipping into the sinking fund ASAP before serious structural damage is done


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭ Bredabe


    DaCor wrote: »
    No idea.

    I was walking the prom a few weeks back and took a good look at it, it's in a disastrous state on the exterior now.

    Whoever is managing it now need to look at dipping into the sinking fund ASAP before serious structural damage is done
    Pyrite in the foundations and walls, told by a person in the know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭ beardybrewer


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  • Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭ Celestial12


    It looks terrible, but so do several buildings in Salthill. The area could really do with some more investment. The Sacre Coeur (is anything happening with the site?), The Warwick, The Spinnaker, Burren Mount etc...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 youngrun


    Not forgetting the Oasis , tourist office, the old Kitty o sheas pub, site beside burrenmount etc etc
    Surely some kind of Tourist Area or Urban renewal scheme needed . or even Apartment developments overhead commercials, they sell or rent all day


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  • Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭ Celestial12


    youngrun wrote: »
    Not forgetting the Oasis , tourist office, the old Kitty o sheas pub, site beside burrenmount etc etc
    Surely some kind of Tourist Area or Urban renewal scheme needed . or even Apartment developments overhead commercials, they sell or rent all day

    Yep, it would be nice to see something happen with it over the next few years. Especially seeing as Salthill is considered to be one of the nicer parts of the city. There hasn't been much investment in the city over the past decade.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 youngrun


    Yep, it would be nice to see something happen with it over the next few years. Especially seeing as Salthill is considered to be one of the nicer parts of the city. There hasn't been much investment in the city over the past decade.

    There could be another massive thread on this very point, the city is basically maxed out at present, not enough road infrastructure/public transport, very little housing or new build commercial since 2006 . I guess it needs private investors to push on but there must be a role for government, regional agencies and city and county council in an overall action plan .

    Salthill seems to be going ok, food wise /coffee etc but a lot more potential there


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,863 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    youngrun wrote: »
    There could be another massive thread on this very point, the city is basically maxed out at present, not enough road infrastructure/public transport, very little housing or new build commercial since 2006 . I guess it needs private investors to push on but there must be a role for government, regional agencies and city and county council in an overall action plan .

    Salthill seems to be going ok, food wise /coffee etc but a lot more potential there

    Galway City Development Plan information is available here: http://www.galwaycity.ie/development-plan-downloads-2017/

    The County Council has a similar plan - not so relevant to this thread, because Salthill is in the city.

    AFAIK, the council's role is to set the strategy and make planning decisions, not to make investments.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 youngrun


    Galway City Development Plan information is available here: http://www.galwaycity.ie/development-plan-downloads-2017/

    The County Council has a similar plan - not so relevant to this thread, because Salthill is in the city.

    AFAIK, the council's role is to set the strategy and make planning decisions, not to make investments.

    yes I know re that i guess my point is surely there should be a more Active development arm of government/regional /local level with some specific targets designed at improving the cityscape from various strategic arms eg , ballpark only ideas below

    Transport
    Deliver Relief road/tunnel N6 to N59 by 2022
    Have 100 cross city buses in operation by 2020
    Have six Park and Ride sites in operation at sites in Galway City by 2019
    Rail link Tuam , Claregalway, Parkmore, Oranmore
    Funding sourced under EIB or PPP model


    Housing

    Additional 200 New social housing units in 2017, 200 2018, 400 2019 , 500 2020 or whatever is needed , again must be some private public model or funding from Europe or other sources that could be sought


    Development

    Ardaun development commencement 2019 , Sale of major land to private developer /Development partner for Ardaun eg like Cherrywood in Dublin/Uk
    Local Urban renewal scheme Salthill to commence 2019
    Galway harbour redevelopment
    Ceannt Quarter ( advertised now )


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭ Bredabe


    Salthill needs to decide what it is, most of the time its all about the tourists, businesses. locals, who keep said businesses going in the summer have very few facilities. For example, there is no direct bus to the family shop type shops if you don't want to go into town. The availability of non lane swimming at the pool is a joke if ppl are available days, no walkabile entertainment that isn't bingo/slots/tennis/gaa, now with the stadia being expanded not enough parking or staff to enforce parking on those days. Need I mention the flooding and anti social behavior?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭ Nettle Soup


    I think Salthill has come on a lot in the past 5 years. Great pubs, cafes and restaurants now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,939 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Good points made in the last few posts, none relating to Bailey Point, but good points all the same. Maybe a thread split mod?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭ Utopia Parkway


    I think Salthill has come on a lot in the past 5 years. Great pubs, cafes and restaurants now.

    It has. Some great places to eat out there and some decent pubs too. A few tatty or derelict buildings are still a bit of an eyesore though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,863 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Bredabe wrote: »
    Salthill needs to decide what it is, most of the time its all about the tourists, businesses. locals, who keep said businesses going in the summer have very few facilities.

    ....

    For example, there is no direct bus to the family shop type shops if you don't want to go into town.

    I presume you mean winter.

    Church. Bingo hall. Several doctors surgeries. Big physio clinic. Osteopath. GAA club. Tennis club. Golf course. Quincentenniary (? Spelling) park. Several schools, primary and secondary. Post office. Women's refuge. Several respite care homes. Accountancy firm. All more useful to locals than tourists.

    Bus 410 runs from Eyre Square to Knocknacarra, via Salthill and Joyces. Currently a 6-day service, with Sunday buses being trialled this month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭ Bredabe


    I presume you mean winter.

    Church. Bingo hall. Several doctors surgeries. Big physio clinic. Osteopath. GAA club. Tennis club. Golf course. Quincentenniary (? Spelling) park. Several schools, primary and secondary. Post office. Women's refuge. Several respite care homes. Accountancy firm. All more useful to locals than tourists.

    Bus 410 runs from Eyre Square to Knocknacarra, via Salthill and Joyce. Currently a 6-day service, with Sunday buses being trialed this month.[/QUO

    As I say, very little there for residence if they were not interested in schools/churches/gaa. The rest are either businesses or services that are available in most areas.
    Today, I cant get a bus on the Salthill road to say, Dunnes or Joyce and I don't believe that trial will take off, not that once an hour is enough anyway. That does not negate the need for family shop type outlets, even more important now there will be more BUSINESSES that cater to older people and self-catering. I for one would not call a refuge/hardstand/DPC, facilities, more a sad reflection on how this country treats it's vulnerable.
    While the parks can be lovely, they have issues with broken glass/vandalism/anti-social behavior.
    As I say, it needs to decide what it is, and build accordingly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭ ben.schlomo


    Bredabe wrote: »
    I presume you mean winter.

    Church. Bingo hall. Several doctors surgeries. Big physio clinic. Osteopath. GAA club. Tennis club. Golf course. Quincentenniary (? Spelling) park. Several schools, primary and secondary. Post office. Women's refuge. Several respite care homes. Accountancy firm. All more useful to locals than tourists.

    Bus 410 runs from Eyre Square to Knocknacarra, via Salthill and Joyce. Currently a 6-day service, with Sunday buses being trialed this month.[/QUO

    As I say, very little there for residence if they were not interested in schools/churches/gaa. The rest are either businesses or services that are available in most areas.
    Today, I cant get a bus on the Salthill road to say, Dunnes or Joyce and I don't believe that trial will take off, not that once an hour is enough anyway. That does not negate the need for family shop type outlets, even more important now there will be more BUSINESSES that cater to older people and self-catering. I for one would not call a refuge/hardstand/DPC, facilities, more a sad reflection on how this country treats it's vulnerable.
    While the parks can be lovely, they have issues with broken glass/vandalism/anti-social behavior.
    As I say, it needs to decide what it is, and build accordingly.
    Youre looking for a large supermarket to sort Salthills woes? Its just that thats all youve really mentioned in your posts. Salthill is a 'village' catering to tourists for large swathes of the year, locals keep the businesses ticking over for the rest of the year. Some private investment in the derelict buildings would improve the work of recent years. There are nice places to eat, drink and relax out there, moreso than most other city suburbs too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭ Bredabe


    Bredabe wrote: »
    Youre looking for a large supermarket to sort Salthills woes? Its just that thats all youve really mentioned in your posts. Salthill is a 'village' catering to tourists for large swathes of the year, locals keep the businesses ticking over for the rest of the year. Some private investment in the derelict buildings would improve the work of recent years. There are nice places to eat, drink and relax out there, moreso than most other city suburbs too.

    Not sure who this is aimed at, as MOB didn't mention a supermarket, but I'll answer that anyway, yes I'm looking for a supermarket, a cinema, indoor play facilities for children and a covered cycle/running/jogging lane to name a few. All of these will benefit tourists and locals alike. Given that there will be another largish retirement home/hostel/apartments in the area shortly, I think a family shop supermarket is the least these people will want. If they get into the habit of going to knocknacarra or into town, they will shop local less, not more.
    I'm told there are nice places to eat and drink in Salthill, but as there a people who have lived there for generations, there should, in my opinion, be more facilities like those for ppl who actually shop local when the tourists leave.

    Many many resorts in the world manage to blend the needs of the local population with the wants of tourists. Salthill is getting left behind in this regard, such a shame as ppl believe that home-based holidays will boom in the near future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭ thesandeman


    Bredabe wrote: »

    Not sure who this is aimed at, as MOB didn't mention a supermarket, but I'll answer that anyway, yes I'm looking for a supermarket, a cinema, indoor play facilities for children and a covered cycle/running/jogging lane to name a few. All of these will benefit tourists and locals alike. Given that there will be another largish retirement home/hostel/apartments in the area shortly, I think a family shop supermarket is the least these people will want. If they get into the habit of going to knocknacarra or into town, they will shop local less, not more.
    I'm told there are nice places to eat and drink in Salthill, but as there a people who have lived there for generations, there should, in my opinion, be more facilities like those for ppl who actually shop local when the tourists leave.

    Many many resorts in the world manage to blend the needs of the local population with the wants of tourists. Salthill is getting left behind in this regard, such a shame as ppl believe that home-based holidays will boom in the near future.

    I suppose SuperValu (soon to be Joyce's) could be counted as Salthill at a push. You couldn't really have one right in the village due to traffic issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭ Bredabe


    Bredabe wrote: »

    I suppose SuperValu (soon to be Joyce's) could be counted as Salthill at a push. You couldn't really have one right in the village due to traffic issues.

    Its 20-minute walk from the old Warwick(where the new retirement village is due to be) so a bit far for more elderly or fragile people, esp when they have a bus stop within feet and a free travel pass.
    The way I see it, if its a centrally situated supermarket, fewer people will bring their cars but places like the old Burrenmount/Marian house have a lot of space around them and could work. They could probably use that old casino close to the fisherman either, tho I feel that would be better used for a village market type operation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭ thesandeman


    People will still drive there if it's a 'name' supermarket. Old habits die hard.
    Nothing is going to happen with the Burrenmount for a while. Ditto for the casino, the licence is still being kept alive for the future.
    The only place would be the back of Salthill but the residents won't have that.
    While I agree Salthill needs regeneration (always has done), a supermarket wouldn't be near the top of my priorities. Centra etc have pretty much anything the locals need.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 youngrun


    last piece i can find
    http://connachttribune.ie/completion-iconic-building-dogged-legal-wrangle/

    There were Multiple court cases via original developer and First active . Also I think the units were leased or planned to be and that went bang also. Talks of building /fire safety issues also. Many problems. But I guess it will take a new developer to take it on and rebuild


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭ Bredabe


    People will still drive there if it's a 'name' supermarket. Old habits die hard.
    Nothing is going to happen with the Burrenmount for a while. Ditto for the casino, the licence is still being kept alive for the future.
    The only place would be the back of Salthill but the residents won't have that.
    While I agree Salthill needs regeneration (always has done), a supermarket wouldn't be near the top of my priorities. Centra etc have pretty much anything the locals need.
    I see what you are saying, but for me and my family, Centra doesn't have what we need usually when they do it's cheaper to go into town for it. I agree that there are many things that need doing up and repurposing, but as the place still seems to be run for the benefit of businesses, I'm not holding my breath on it. As I said before, that's a shame as the same businesses will suffer when ppl chose to holiday somewhere else cause Salthill has fewer facilities.

    I had a similar conversation where my O/H lives in the Uk re the car-v-walking to local supermarkets, I was told people wouldn't walk to shops and carry home heavy shopping. Which is true in a way, but this car dependency cant go on, and shortly ppl will be looking for way's to exercise in their day, if they have a facility to walk too, they will, its what happens there and I cant see why it wouldn't happen here.
    Especially as it would be handy and cost effective to buy on lunch breaks, before/after work as suits. Not to mention the money those shops will make match days and holidays.
    The norm in most places set out like that is, shop at lunchtime, grab readymade food/drinks on the way home(obv not every night).
    While you may not think a supermarket is a priority, I do, It shameful that I have to leave to spend my money because the selection of shops or their opening hours doesn't suit, anding add to air pollution. We should not underestimate the social aspects of shopping in a large shop for elderly or the stay at home workers, who leave as much or more money in business tills as the tourists.
    As a matter of curiosity, what would you think are the most important things to build in salthill?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    Moved away from a 2012 thread on Bailey Point as the topic is all over the shop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,863 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Bredabe wrote: »
    As I say, very little there for residence if they were not interested in schools/churches/gaa. The rest are either businesses or services that are available in most areas.
    Today, I cant get a bus on the Salthill road to say, Dunnes or Joyce...

    Ahh, today is Tuesday. So yes, you can.
    • Bus 401 goes from Pearce Stadium, down the hill, then most of the length of Salthill and will drop you outside the former SuperValu in the Claddagh, now also a Joyces.
    • Bus 410 runs the length of Salthill, and will drop you outside Joyces Knocknacarra - or in the other direction at the hospital, a very important feature for an aging neighbourhood! Agree that an hourly service on it isn't great - but it's not the only option


    A large supermarket is never going to be built on prime sea-front land. And the amount of space that it would require for carparking is large - are you aware that the parking behind Bailey point already gets substantial use, I assume from people living there. Far more would be needed. Underground parking would be a flooding nightmare. And large trucks with late night / early morning delivery noises may upset delicate ears.


    Re your other facilities:
    Cinema - yeah, I can see that being handy. Not sure how viable it would be, though, with three other cinemas in town. Also not a building that could capitalise on the seafront views, so best located elsewhere.

    Covered running track - I'm not sure how that would work, cannot see people being happy with losing regular park-space to covered park space, and surely it would be a magnet for covered bush-drinking. Are there similar facilities anywhere else in the country?

    Indoor children's play area - you mean like there is in Seapoint? Or maybe the Monkey-Business type thing that is in Galway Shopping Centre? There would be space for such a thing in Leisureland, surprised the management there haven't tried it already - or maybe they did, and know that it would be a zoo. (Actually, I have a feeling that Leisureland has an indoor play area near the cafe ... maybe that was pre-storm-refurb though.)


    Comparing Salthill to other suburbs, say, Newcastle or Renmore, it looks to me Salthill already has an impressive array of facilities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭ jkforde


    what I'd love to turn some of Bailey Point into is a Turkish bath with traditional seaweed baths and course defacto café with play area a la Leisureland... [pipedream]


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭ bodhrandude


    Ahh, today is Tuesday. So yes, you can.
    • Bus 401 goes from Pearce Stadium, down the hill, then most of the length of Salthill and will drop you outside the former SuperValu in the Claddagh, now also a Joyces.
    • Bus 410 runs the length of Salthill, and will drop you outside Joyces Knocknacarra - or in the other direction at the hospital, a very important feature for an aging neighbourhood! Agree that an hourly service on it isn't great - but it's not the only option


    A large supermarket is never going to be built on prime sea-front land. And the amount of space that it would require for carparking is large - are you aware that the parking behind Bailey point already gets substantial use, I assume from people living there. Far more would be needed. Underground parking would be a flooding nightmare. And large trucks with late night / early morning delivery noises may upset delicate ears.


    Re your other facilities:
    Cinema - yeah, I can see that being handy. Not sure how viable it would be, though, with three other cinemas in town. Also not a building that could capitalise on the seafront views, so best located elsewhere.

    Covered running track - I'm not sure how that would work, cannot see people being happy with losing regular park-space to covered park space, and surely it would be a magnet for covered bush-drinking. Are there similar facilities anywhere else in the country?

    Indoor children's play area - you mean like there is in Seapoint? Or maybe the Monkey-Business type thing that is in Galway Shopping Centre? There would be space for such a thing in Leisureland, surprised the management there haven't tried it already - or maybe they did, and know that it would be a zoo. (Actually, I have a feeling that Leisureland has an indoor play area near the cafe ... maybe that was pre-storm-refurb though.)


    Comparing Salthill to other suburbs, say, Newcastle or Renmore, it looks to me Salthill already has an impressive array of facilities.

    You forgot to mention the 410 salthill to knocknacarra stops at 5 or 6 pm though.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭ Notch000


    it amazing the widest road in all of galway doesnt even have a bike lane (salthill - Fr Griffin Rd) , then our stupid councilers argue about the dangers of cycling on the prom and sea guls stealing ice cream off people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭ Celestial12


    People park along the prom/Salthill though so that would make it difficult to facilitate a bike lane, especially during summer months. With cars parked on both sides near the aquarium the road really isn't that wide.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭ what_traffic


    People park along the prom/Salthill though so that would make it difficult to facilitate a bike lane, especially during summer months. With cars parked on both sides near the aquarium the road really isn't that wide.

    It's plenty wide - just need to remove all the car parking on the Prom side. All the cars can park on the other side of the road. It is the norm in most European country's with a promenade to have a cycle, roller blade section like this. All these cars are doing is blocking views of the sea. It was in one of the City Development plans - of course no political will to do it by the Council.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,334 J.pilkington


    It's plenty wide - just need to remove all the car parking on the Prom side. All the cars can park on the other side of the road. It is the norm in most European country's with a promenade to have a cycle, roller blade section like this. All these cars are doing is blocking views of the sea. It was in one of the City Development plans - of course no political will to do it by the Council.

    Let’s rip up car parks facilities and exclude motorists, what an unsurprising post from you...

    So we remove all the car parking spaces from the prom side of the road and install a rollerblade lane. Please tell me who will use this rollerblade lane? I would estimate that a very very large % of the people who walk the prom arrive in cars (families etc). Salthill would die a death if promside parking was removed.

    Sometimes I wonder do you post off the wall anti car posts just to garner a reaction (that sounds like the definition of something...)?


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