Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

I don't think cleere is dominant at 6 he might be better on the wing it wonder could he work at corner back? but I wouldnt mind seeing a hb line of walsh,buckley and reid,id try delaney or cody at 3.
With the championship the way it is now teams will use the league more to experiment hopefully we won't see our more experienced lads til March but I won't hold my breath

Noddy33 wrote: »

Agree with all that and interesting point about Cleere in the corner. I definitely could see it working but the only worry I have it that he has a habit of being hooked and blocked so if that were to happen in the full back line it could very well lead to a goal chance opportunity for the opposition. 
Likewise I would love to see the halfback line you mentioned tried out in the league. All three are very good in the air, good stick men, use the sliotar well and capable of scoring long range scores. 
Any one else playing very well for their clubs that not currently involved in senior panel that be worth taking a punt on?For me some players I have been impressed with for club this year and and like to see given a shot in even a few walsh cup games were Cathal O'Neill, Billy Ryan and John Donnelly. Also like the look and potential of Geoff Morrissey at full back for Ballyragget but I will hold off further praise for him until I see how he fairs out this weekend......!!!!

I would think Cleere strongest position is somewhere in the half backline, can be very strong coming out with the ball, he's playing with Carlow IT Fitzgibbon team under the eye of DJ Carey and Dempsey which can only help the lad.
From the games I seen throughout the year number of players impressed me, likes of Ciaran Ryan from the Rower, Jack Langton very good year for Clara, Cathal O'Neill also, Ger Malone and Tom Alyward from Mullinavat and Huw Lawlor prob standout player for 21s and going well with o'loughlins currently

Kkcitylover12 wrote: »

I would think Cleere strongest position is somewhere in the half backline, can be very strong coming out with the ball, he's playing with Carlow IT Fitzgibbon team under the eye of DJ Carey and Dempsey which can only help the lad.
From the games I seen throughout the year number of players impressed me, likes of Ciaran Ryan from the Rower, Jack Langton very good year for Clara, Cathal O'Neill also, Ger Malone and Tom Alyward from Mullinavat and Huw Lawlor prob standout player for 21s and going well with o'loughlins currently

I seen Ciaran ryan playing a few times this year around mid field and like robbie fitzpatrick his benefitted from his move,hopefully luke scanlon can continue his form but he needs to fill out while john donnelly is a lovely hurler with very good hands hopefully dempsy can work with him over the winter.
Paul holden is another with good hands maybe lacking pace for county I'd put tom alyward in the same boat but he is steady at club level so his worth a look.Hopefully john power will be back.
Brian o donovan and damien walsh had their moments for the shocks

Joke in fairness. Intercounty season is way too long anyway. Now with the round robin they are basically running the league twice anyway, is it time to consolidate the inter county season into a league-championship model like the kk county championship? League would mean more, would free up loads of time for club. Usual response is that it would reduce hurlings window of exposure nationally, which is a nonsense argument for several reasons but even setting that aside, it betrays the truth that they don't really care about club hurlers, or more likely take for granted they'll always be there. Personally if I had the talent to play senior hurling I never would, you can have no life, and all for what seems like endless training during the months hurling was designed to be played in.

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Joke in fairness. Intercounty season is way too long anyway. Now with the round robin they are basically running the league twice anyway, is it time to consolidate the inter county season into a league-championship model like the kk county championship? League would mean more, would free up loads of time for club. Usual response is that it would reduce hurlings window of exposure nationally, which is a nonsense argument for several reasons but even setting that aside, it betrays the truth that they don't really care about club hurlers, or more likely take for granted they'll always be there. Personally if I had the talent to play senior hurling I never would, you can have no life, and all for what seems like endless training during the months hurling was designed to be played in.

Totally agree with what your saying however having the talent is one thing but its having the pride and passion of playing for your county and on the big stages an all Ireland final that matter to some. Sacrifices are made to fulfill dreams and create legacys

Oh I'm talking about lads playing senior club hurling. Grown men with careers and families but without inter-county careers who basically can't plan a holiday, can't go anywhere and can't do anything for much of their twenties and thirties because they never know when they'll be free during the summer so they can't arrange anything. It's enough of a balls that they are (ridiculously) basically expected to stay teetotal for 8 or 9 months, but to be training often for months at a time with no definite fixtures set. Makes it impossible to plan a year long training regime as well. But look, there's nothing new in any of these problems, it's just amazing that instead of trying to fix them they're finding ways to make it worse.

Great win for Ballyragget now promoted to senior.. Better team won. Great displays from, Brooky Phelan, Michael Brennan and John Mooney..Saorise Kenny ,James Gannon and captain Steve Staunton strong when needed , bigger names of Kevin Kelly, Joe Brennan and Geoff Brennan did ok and played there part..

GBC looked dangerous at times and experience will stand to them, Jesse Roberts was excellent first 20 mins, Billy Ryan got a great goal and looks dangerous but out of the game too long. His younger brother has much better work rate and great ability to win hard ball . Teehan full back played well. Eddie Brennan tried hard but well marshalled.

Village87 wrote: »

Great win for Ballyragget now promoted to senior.. Better team won. Great displays from, Brooky Phelan, Michael Brennan and John Mooney..Saorise Kenny ,James Gannon and captain Steve Staunton strong when needed , bigger names of Kevin Kelly, Joe Brennan and Geoff Brennan did ok and played there part..

GBC looked dangerous at times and experience will stand to them, Jesse Roberts was excellent first 20 mins, Billy Ryan got a great goal and looks dangerous but out of the game too long. His younger brother has much better work rate and great ability to win hard ball . Teehan full back played well. Eddie Brennan tried hard but well marshalled.

I thought prenderville started well but faded,teehan done well at full back,billy ryan has a bit to go he looks a bit hot and cold but sean finished his goal well and could be a better prospect.
Ballycallan started much better than their previous games and probably should of being more in front before bragget got level at half time ballyragget looked to be crusing before ryans goal gave them momentum but fair play to ballyragget after all the hurt over the last few years it's great for lads like brook phelan they should do okay at senior it can only be good for kevin kelly to be hurling senior club

blackcard wrote: »

Ballycallan will be kicking themselves for conceding a goal from a short puckout but Ballyragget the better team even though they only got one point from play in the first half. Ciaran Hoyne was shaky throughout. Dissapointed with Billy Ryan apart from his goal. Agree that Ballyragget will be competitive at senior level, you would imagine it could be Bennettsbridge and Danesfort fighting relegation, possibly Carrickshock.

Especially when hoyne has a monster puck but I think ballyragget would of still woman's they done well to recover when gbc got it back to 2-3 points,there was pressure on them after all the defeats,fair play to david buggy I thought they had missed their chance.

PeterCasey wrote:

Was it not Sean Ryan that got the second goal.

Billy got the first goal(flicked it in from a sideline) in the first half. Sean got the second goal in second half... Very impressed with Sean ryan, looks a real handful. Billy ryan was poor as was Eddie Brennan, you'd wonder if that will be his last outing with gbc

brookville wrote: »

The Premier Man wrote: »

Billy got the first goal(flicked it in from a sideline) in the first half. Sean got the second goal in second half... Very impressed with Sean ryan, looks a real handful. Billy ryan was poor as was Eddie Brennan, you'd wonder if that will be his last outing with gbc

I agree with the above sean looks more dangerous and has better workrate,he was also impressive in the quater final so hopefully dj can bring him on more next year.
Eddie was poor yesteray and could of being better coming on but I would of probably started him as well.

I think Billy Ryan is more effective out on the half forward line where he can get more involved on the ball and run at defenders. Alot of the ball going into him was high ball which is not what he would want .However like wise it was similar high ball going in to Sean Ryan and he is a much more slighter build yet he still managed to do great work in making a nuisance of himself along with some great harrowing and hassling.
Suprised GBC started Eddie considering the way it worked out so well the last two games by bringing him on second half. Possibly the decision came down to the fact it was a county final and management felt they needed his experience. 
I am not a fan of the short puck outs to corner backs as there is generally very little yardage gained and it was what cost Carrickshock the match first day out against the village too, But all GBC short pucks out were hit along the ground which just allows the opposition extra time to read the play and apply pressure to force the turnover. I hope it not the last we seen yesterday of Eddie and James Ryall and they have a team of great potential there.

danganabu wrote: »

Noddy33 wrote: »

 
I am not a fan of the short puck outs to corner backs as there is generally very little yardage gained and it was what cost Carrickshock the match first day out against the village too, But all GBC short pucks out were hit along the ground which just allows the opposition extra time to read the play and apply pressure to force the turnover. I hope it not the last we seen yesterday of Eddie and James Ryall and they have a team of great potential there.

The short puckout is nothing to do with yardage, it's primary aim is to improve the quality of the second ball i.e. the ball that ultimately gets delivered to the forwards, it is extremely effective when done right and more importantly to the 'right' defender. The problems start when the defender is not a good enough hurler to pull it off, which obviously will happen at club level a lot more.

I understand that completely but espicially at club level more often than not the ball just goes to corner back who gets flustered into a rushed clearance. I agree with you at county level it can be effective when you have the likes of Murphy and Nash pinging the pass into the hand and then you have a corner back who is capable of using the ball effectively.
Similarly enough I find it hard to understand the logic of teams at club level when they play with a two man full forward line and witdraw a man out to third midfielder or a sweeper on half back line. This means the skill level required to deliver good quality ball into a two man full forward line that is going to be outnumbered has to be very accurate and on the money for the two inside forwards. What I generally find is that at club level the not all players are at the required standard to play this strategy and usually plays in to the oppositions hand

I heard the village aren't happy with their minors going ahead before the senior sunday,I heard the village wanted it changed but o loughlins wouldnt agree to it?brassil usually comes on for the seniors.

dobbs2210 wrote: »

Game is changed.

Fair enough so,it was on the website earlier,on the flip slide it's not o loughlins fault I'm sure most young lads want to play before the county final but when you have a few minors on the fringes you'd prefer not to have it on before hand.

brookville wrote: »

Fair enough so,it was on the website earlier,on the flip slide it's not o loughlins fault I'm sure most young lads want to play before the county final but when you have a few minors on the fringes you'd prefer not to have it on before hand.

Just to clarify, O'Loughlin Gaels are not in the minor final. Graigue Ballycallan are playing them this week in the semi-final. The Village will await the winners of that semi-final in the minor final.

My understanding is that the minor semi-final be played this Sunday in Nowlan Park before the senior final. The minor final will be played the following weekend.

KK GAA has the semi down for Dunmore Wednesday night and the final Sunday and the Village website have the minor final fixture down for Sunday too.