Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

tbiggertycome

Co. Final likely match ups. I've only seen the VIllage twice this year so I may be wrong on my judgement of them. Would be interested to hear others opinions

Derrick Brennan - Darragh Holohan = Derrick has been a good solid keeper and couldn't be blamed for the goal against Ballyhale he's puckouts have been decent as well. Darragh has done a great job for the Boro this year he's shot stopping is very good and has been cool under pressure and high balls.

David Hennessy - Bill Sheehan = David is a big lad and this may not be the match up and he was decent in the semi final. Bill has caused an awful lot of trouble to all defences with his speed and trickery.

Donnacha Cody - Martin Gaffney = Donnacha is a big man and not reknowned for his pace I think he was exposed against Ballyhale a few times but was solid overall. Murt is big as well and had been ineffective up to this year but he's really stepped it up this year and has got some vital scores for the Boro.

Tomas Keogh - Andy Gaffney = For me Tomas was the best defender the Village had on display in the semi he got stuck into the Shamrocks and broke up multiple Shamrocks attacks. Andy has great talent is turning into a big lad but has been struggling to get completely fit all year by the looks of it. Could have a huge influence on the game but will he last the whole game?

Niall Delaney - Shane Stapleton = Niall is a decent player but I didn't think he was that impressive in the semi. Shane has been a good edition to the Boro attack this year. He's a good ball winner and direct runner and solid from placed ball too.

Jackie Tyrrell - Eoin Gough = We all know how good Jackie has been over his career but other than two balls I really don't think he did much in the semi final. Eoin has been a CB growing up and is a very tall lad with lots of skill and will be handful for either Jackie or Donnacha.

Shane Donoghue - Oisin Gough = I've been super impressed with Shane he's shown great heart and is a very tigerish defender and gets well stuck in. Oisin has been a great player for the Boro all year particularly for such a young lad he was well marshalled in the semi final and will need to rediscover earlier form.

Niall Mullins - Robbie Fitzpatrick = Niall has played well without being a real force from what I've seen. Robbie has made a move from defence to midfield and has done a decent job so far there.

Conor Browne - Ollie Walsh = Conor played very well in the semi final and was very effective in both launching and breaking up Shamrocks attacks. Ollie has been a real powerhouse for the Boro this year scoring plenty of points throughout.

Matthew Ruth - Aidan Nolan = Matt is always dangerous but often erratic, he can be great one day and ineffective the next. Aidan is a big lad who is strong in the air who defends well and delivers nice ball forward.

Eoin Larkin - Cillian Buckley = Larks is the Village fire fighter and is used where ever they need help most he started the semi in midfield, started the second half at full forward and ended the game as a sweeper. He was very influential for 40 mins but definitely tappered off after that. Buckley is one of very few who played well for Kilkenny this year and has done the same for the club. I don't think these to will end up on each other however as Larks will probably not play CF.

Luke Scanlon - Tom Kenny = Luke had by far the best game I've seen him play at senior level he was everything you would hope a lad of his talent could be. He drifts around the field a lot and is as often in his half back line as he is in the half forward line. Tom has again really stepped up for such a young lad and is always supporting his fellow defenders and delivers great ball forward.

Mikey Drennan - Michael Fagan = Mikey to be is a bit of an enigma I hear about how good he is from Village lads but I've yet to see it, hopefully I won't on Sunday. Michael is the old man of the Boro team at 28(?) he's a fast a strong player not beaten a huge amount.

David Walton - Evan Cody = Davy is lethal from frees no matter the distance, and I would normally say he contributes very little from open play but I thought he was very good in the semi final. Evan has had a poor two years with the club but he has gone from strength to strength this year. He's still young but is physically very imposing and can hurl.

Tadhg Dwyer - Conor Doheny = Tadhg had a day most lads can only dream of in the semi. If he can replicate that the Village will win. He's a fast and tidy hurler that will cause trouble all day. Conor has come back from a bad injury half way through the U21 campaign and is doing well. He's a smart and tenacious back that you won't shake.

I see most of these contests as being close on paper and obviously both sides will shade one or two with the county men most likely. It'll really come down to the supporting cast and who from that can stand up and reach the levels of Buckley or Larkin to give their team that extra edge. The last 3 or 4 games between the teams have been close and open games and it promises to be an exciting final that will be only be decided by a score or two max in the end.

tbiggertycome

Comerman wrote: »

KK GAA has the semi down for Dunmore Wednesday night and the final Sunday and the Village website have the minor final fixture down for Sunday too.

I was talking to a father of one of the O'LG minors and thats exactly how he understood it. Semi final Wednesday in Dunmore and final for the winners v Village on Sunday. The KKGAA still has both those fixtures showing.

Village87

Noddy33 wrote: »

I think Billy Ryan is more effective out on the half forward line where he can get more involved on the ball and run at defenders. Alot of the ball going into him was high ball which is not what he would want .However like wise it was similar high ball going in to Sean Ryan and he is a much more slighter build yet he still managed to do great work in making a nuisance of himself along with some great harrowing and hassling.
Suprised GBC started Eddie considering the way it worked out so well the last two games by bringing him on second half. Possibly the decision came down to the fact it was a county final and management felt they needed his experience. 
I am not a fan of the short puck outs to corner backs as there is generally very little yardage gained and it was what cost Carrickshock the match first day out against the village too, But all GBC short pucks out were hit along the ground which just allows the opposition extra time to read the play and apply pressure to force the turnover. I hope it not the last we seen yesterday of Eddie and James Ryall and they have a team of great potential there.

Ballycallan made a big error on the sideline when Bob Murphy was withdrawn his physicality around the middle was a big loss as Ballyrragget had a few big men around there. Young Ronan was brought on, small man in around the middle third Sunday was not up to the standards, has an awkward way about him

Village87

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Co. Final likely match ups. I've only seen the VIllage twice this year so I may be wrong on my judgement of them. Would be interested to hear others opinions

Derrick Brennan - Darragh Holohan = Derrick has been a good solid keeper and couldn't be blamed for the goal against Ballyhale he's puckouts have been decent as well. Darragh has done a great job for the Boro this year he's shot stopping is very good and has been cool under pressure and high balls.

David Hennessy - Bill Sheehan = David is a big lad and this may not be the match up and he was decent in the semi final. Bill has caused an awful lot of trouble to all defences with his speed and trickery.

Donnacha Cody - Martin Gaffney = Donnacha is a big man and not reknowned for his pace I think he was exposed against Ballyhale a few times but was solid overall. Murt is big as well and had been ineffective up to this year but he's really stepped it up this year and has got some vital scores for the Boro.

Tomas Keogh - Andy Gaffney = For me Tomas was the best defender the Village had on display in the semi he got stuck into the Shamrocks and broke up multiple Shamrocks attacks. Andy has great talent is turning into a big lad but has been struggling to get completely fit all year by the looks of it. Could have a huge influence on the game but will he last the whole game?

Niall Delaney - Shane Stapleton = Niall is a decent player but I didn't think he was that impressive in the semi. Shane has been a good edition to the Boro attack this year. He's a good ball winner and direct runner and solid from placed ball too.

Jackie Tyrrell - Eoin Gough = We all know how good Jackie has been over his career but other than two balls I really don't think he did much in the semi final. Eoin has been a CB growing up and is a very tall lad with lots of skill and will be handful for either Jackie or Donnacha.

Shane Donoghue - Oisin Gough = I've been super impressed with Shane he's shown great heart and is a very tigerish defender and gets well stuck in. Oisin has been a great player for the Boro all year particularly for such a young lad he was well marshalled in the semi final and will need to rediscover earlier form.

Niall Mullins - Robbie Fitzpatrick = Niall has played well without being a real force from what I've seen. Robbie has made a move from defence to midfield and has done a decent job so far there.

Conor Browne - Ollie Walsh = Conor played very well in the semi final and was very effective in both launching and breaking up Shamrocks attacks. Ollie has been a real powerhouse for the Boro this year scoring plenty of points throughout.

Matthew Ruth - Aidan Nolan = Matt is always dangerous but often erratic, he can be great one day and ineffective the next. Aidan is a big lad who is strong in the air who defends well and delivers nice ball forward.

Eoin Larkin - Cillian Buckley = Larks is the Village fire fighter and is used where ever they need help most he started the semi in midfield, started the second half at full forward and ended the game as a sweeper. He was very influential for 40 mins but definitely tappered off after that. Buckley is one of very few who played well for Kilkenny this year and has done the same for the club. I don't think these to will end up on each other however as Larks will probably not play CF.

Luke Scanlon - Tom Kenny = Luke had by far the best game I've seen him play at senior level he was everything you would hope a lad of his talent could be. He drifts around the field a lot and is as often in his half back line as he is in the half forward line. Tom has again really stepped up for such a young lad and is always supporting his fellow defenders and delivers great ball forward.

Mikey Drennan - Michael Fagan = Mikey to be is a bit of an enigma I hear about how good he is from Village lads but I've yet to see it, hopefully I won't on Sunday. Michael is the old man of the Boro team at 28(?) he's a fast a strong player not beaten a huge amount.

David Walton - Evan Cody = Davy is lethal from frees no matter the distance, and I would normally say he contributes very little from open play but I thought he was very good in the semi final. Evan has had a poor two years with the club but he has gone from strength to strength this year. He's still young but is physically very imposing and can hurl.

Tadhg Dwyer - Conor Doheny = Tadhg had a day most lads can only dream of in the semi. If he can replicate that the Village will win. He's a fast and tidy hurler that will cause trouble all day. Conor has come back from a bad injury half way through the U21 campaign and is doing well. He's a smart and tenacious back that you won't shake.

I see most of these contests as being close on paper and obviously both sides will shade one or two with the county men most likely. It'll really come down to the supporting cast and who from that can stand up and reach the levels of Buckley or Larkin to give their team that extra edge. The last 3 or 4 games between the teams have been close and open games and it promises to be an exciting final that will be only be decided by a score or two max in the end.

Very good analysis, your well up to speed on all the Village players, a lot will depend on how Buckley and Larkin play as they both free roles, who ever can do the most damage will go along way. Village lack a bit of speed in the backs but should be ok as the guys lacking are experienced enough not to get themselves in that situation in the first place

BoroMan32

One key advantage the Village could have is experience. Brennan, Cody, Keogh, Tyrrell, Ruth, Larkin & Walton have all been around the block and are unlikely to be phased by a County Final experience. There'll doubtless be a few of the younger lads (on both sides) for whom the game will largely pass them by.

tbiggertycome

BoroMan32 wrote: »

One key advantage the Village could have is experience. Brennan, Cody, Keogh, Tyrrell, Ruth, Larkin & Walton have all been around the block and are unlikely to be phased by a County Final experience. There'll doubtless be a few of the younger lads (on both sides) for whom the game will largely pass them by.

At the same time the Boro have 16 lads who were involved in 2012. 7 of those are starters now and 5 of the 7 started in 2012 as well. While obviously we don't have lads with the same level of experience in Senior finals all of the lads have been involved in plenty of big finals in their careers minor/U21'S club or county. I don't think it will be as big an issue as it was in 2012 and I know the lads won't use it as a crutch before or an excuse afterwards.

northern lad

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Co. Final likely match ups. I've only seen the VIllage twice this year so I may be wrong on my judgement of them. Would be interested to hear others opinions

Derrick Brennan - Darragh Holohan = Derrick has been a good solid keeper and couldn't be blamed for the goal against Ballyhale he's puckouts have been decent as well. Darragh has done a great job for the Boro this year he's shot stopping is very good and has been cool under pressure and high balls.

David Hennessy - Bill Sheehan = David is a big lad and this may not be the match up and he was decent in the semi final. Bill has caused an awful lot of trouble to all defences with his speed and trickery.

Donnacha Cody - Martin Gaffney = Donnacha is a big man and not reknowned for his pace I think he was exposed against Ballyhale a few times but was solid overall. Murt is big as well and had been ineffective up to this year but he's really stepped it up this year and has got some vital scores for the Boro.

Tomas Keogh - Andy Gaffney = For me Tomas was the best defender the Village had on display in the semi he got stuck into the Shamrocks and broke up multiple Shamrocks attacks. Andy has great talent is turning into a big lad but has been struggling to get completely fit all year by the looks of it. Could have a huge influence on the game but will he last the whole game?

Niall Delaney - Shane Stapleton = Niall is a decent player but I didn't think he was that impressive in the semi. Shane has been a good edition to the Boro attack this year. He's a good ball winner and direct runner and solid from placed ball too.

Jackie Tyrrell - Eoin Gough = We all know how good Jackie has been over his career but other than two balls I really don't think he did much in the semi final. Eoin has been a CB growing up and is a very tall lad with lots of skill and will be handful for either Jackie or Donnacha.

Shane Donoghue - Oisin Gough = I've been super impressed with Shane he's shown great heart and is a very tigerish defender and gets well stuck in. Oisin has been a great player for the Boro all year particularly for such a young lad he was well marshalled in the semi final and will need to rediscover earlier form.

Niall Mullins - Robbie Fitzpatrick = Niall has played well without being a real force from what I've seen. Robbie has made a move from defence to midfield and has done a decent job so far there.

Conor Browne - Ollie Walsh = Conor played very well in the semi final and was very effective in both launching and breaking up Shamrocks attacks. Ollie has been a real powerhouse for the Boro this year scoring plenty of points throughout.

Matthew Ruth - Aidan Nolan = Matt is always dangerous but often erratic, he can be great one day and ineffective the next. Aidan is a big lad who is strong in the air who defends well and delivers nice ball forward.

Eoin Larkin - Cillian Buckley = Larks is the Village fire fighter and is used where ever they need help most he started the semi in midfield, started the second half at full forward and ended the game as a sweeper. He was very influential for 40 mins but definitely tappered off after that. Buckley is one of very few who played well for Kilkenny this year and has done the same for the club. I don't think these to will end up on each other however as Larks will probably not play CF.

Luke Scanlon - Tom Kenny = Luke had by far the best game I've seen him play at senior level he was everything you would hope a lad of his talent could be. He drifts around the field a lot and is as often in his half back line as he is in the half forward line. Tom has again really stepped up for such a young lad and is always supporting his fellow defenders and delivers great ball forward.

Mikey Drennan - Michael Fagan = Mikey to be is a bit of an enigma I hear about how good he is from Village lads but I've yet to see it, hopefully I won't on Sunday. Michael is the old man of the Boro team at 28(?) he's a fast a strong player not beaten a huge amount.

David Walton - Evan Cody = Davy is lethal from frees no matter the distance, and I would normally say he contributes very little from open play but I thought he was very good in the semi final. Evan has had a poor two years with the club but he has gone from strength to strength this year. He's still young but is physically very imposing and can hurl.

Tadhg Dwyer - Conor Doheny = Tadhg had a day most lads can only dream of in the semi. If he can replicate that the Village will win. He's a fast and tidy hurler that will cause trouble all day. Conor has come back from a bad injury half way through the U21 campaign and is doing well. He's a smart and tenacious back that you won't shake.

I see most of these contests as being close on paper and obviously both sides will shade one or two with the county men most likely. It'll really come down to the supporting cast and who from that can stand up and reach the levels of Buckley or Larkin to give their team that extra edge. The last 3 or 4 games between the teams have been close and open games and it promises to be an exciting final that will be only be decided by a score or two max in the end.

Really enjoyable read but Evan Cody was voted club hurler of the year in 2015 and called into the Kk senior panel as well..... he certainly hadn't a poor last two years.

tbiggertycome

northern lad wrote: »

Really enjoyable read but Evan Cody was voted club hurler of the year in 2015 and called into the Kk senior panel as well..... he certainly hadn't a poor last two years.

Well maybe I'm being hyper critical, in 2014 he was excellent and was so dominant in the club's U21's campaign. I didn't think he was as good in '15 as he was in '14 maybe I was expecting too much. He wasn't bad but I didn't think he played as well as '14. He was in with the KK seniors as an extra body for some of the training in '15 but was called in as a full squad member in 2016. Last year was probably the poorest I've ever seen him play and he looked like a guy with zero confidence which has come back this year and has grown as the year has gone on. He is now back to where he was in 2014 (for me anyway)

northern lad

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Well maybe I'm being hyper critical, in 2014 he was excellent and was so dominant in the club's U21's campaign. I didn't think he was as good in '15 as he was in '14 maybe I was expecting too much. He wasn't bad but I didn't think he played as well as '14. He was in with the KK seniors as an extra body for some of the training in '15 but was called in as a full squad member in 2016. Last year was probably the poorest I've ever seen him play and he looked like a guy with zero confidence which has come back this year and has grown as the year has gone on. He is now back to where he was in 2014 (for me anyway)

We can agree to differ, I thought 2015 was his best club year so far. Thats why B.Cody called him in full time. You thought 2014. 2017 started rough v Clare but playing really well for the Boro. Will be one of those needed to really perform on Sunday if Dicksboro are to win.

brookville

Looking forward to the match sunday it should be tight and a new pairing with town neighbours should add that little spice to it,I think it's very hard to call but with the boro unbeaten all year I made a reference earlier in the year that they reminded me of galway and like galway they've dug out hard results they wouldn't of done previously,coming from the dead against the vat the first day and really grounded out the semi final win so maybe there ready to take the last step.
The boro have a lot of players from their last final appearance which should help them sunday and won't fear the village like they would ballyhale.
If lads can put in a big shift sunday they'll probably put their hand up for the county next year like deegan did this year.

Realt Dearg Sec

Just following up on something tbiggertheycome said earlier: is Michael Fagan seriously the oldest lad on the boro team? That's a seriously young squad all in all if so.

northern lad

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Just following up on something tbiggertheycome said earlier: is Michael Fagan seriously the oldest lad on the boro team? That's a seriously young squad all in all if so.

Along with Shane Stapleton , both 28

tbiggertycome

northern lad wrote: »

Along with Shane Stapleton , both 28

Of the starters, there's a few older lads on the bench but not many. Eddie O'Donoghue, Paul Flynn spring to mind. Yep Boro have a very young average age for the starting team I would say.

Village87

Ballyraggett enjoying there win over the weekend anyway fair play to them

BoroMan32

Village87 wrote: »

Ballyraggett enjoying there win over the weekend anyway fair play to them

If that's the new full forward line for next year, I'd say they'll do a fair bit of damage. :eek:

Stationmaster

I presume these 'celebrations' are going to be all over the national media tomorrow. Surely there must have been someone there with a bit of cop on to stop it or ensure there were no phones or something like that?

sc86

talk about bringing shame on the club !

Goat the dote

sc86 wrote: »

talk about bringing shame on the club !

WHat happened??

Comerman

Heard there's some amount of pictures about, anyone??

shmeee

Comerman wrote: »

Heard there's some amount of pictures about, anyone??

Multiple videos and photos of the "scenes" are doing the rounds via messaging apps etc.

With a picture of the cup in many of the videos and images it looks awful.

It will break in national media over the coming days.

If you do this kind of stuff, at least do it behind closed doors and make sure no one is silly enough to record it because stuff can spread like wildfire these days with phones.

Goat the dote

Can someone PM me with what happened?

Ceist_Beag

so where would one see these shameful photos/videos ... just so I can cast my own judgement like! :P

BobBobBobBob

Soooo...I've learnt that Ballyraggett is in Kilkenny!

Some picture and videos!!!

BJs all around lads...

Copper_pipe

https://twitter.com/kclr96fm/status/923206136827928576

BoroMan32

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/wild-celebrations-involving-strippers-after-11408110

Copper_pipe

http://kclr96fm.com/ballyragget-gaa-caught-celebration-scandal-lewd-footage-shared-online/

“St Patrick’s club wishes to state the photographs were taken at a private event.
The club will co-operate fully into any investigation into the matter.”

Comerman

I'd reckon anyone that Cody might of considered calling up might of blown their chances (excuse the pun)

BoroMan32

Storm in a d-cup, it'll all blow over in the next few days.

blue note

Phones are an absolute curse for these things. Back in the day (even 10 years ago) after something like this there'd have been rumours about what went down and would have been some fairly serious off the record investigations into it, but ultimately it would have been kept fairly quiet. Now this poor lad is all over the internet with his nob out.

Like, the celebrations were over the top. There's no question about that. If the players wanted that sort of celebration don't do it with the fcekin cup! But the repercussions from this now are so much more severe than they would have been before camera phones and whatsapp and all that. I know they should know this and should know better, but they're mainly young lads. You'd have to have sympathy for them.

Realt Dearg Sec

Not sure if my immediate reaction would be sympathy for these lads. Shower of fcukin eejits will bring the whole gaa into disrepute. I give it two days before the opinion columns of the times and independent are awash with condemnations of the gaa as a bastion of toxic masculinity, hot on the heels of Tom ****ing Humphries and his scummy bull**** (an absolute guarantee: these two incidents will be linked). And we'll all be implicated in that "culture" in some vaguely defined way that allows people who always eyed the association with deep suspicion to declare us all guilty by extension.