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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • #932
    DaeryssaOne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭DaeryssaOne


    Reese Witherspoon and America Ferrera are now also speaking about previous abuse / assaults - neither named Harvey though.

    While in one way I think it's fantastic that a light is being shed on this whole sorry affair, a horrible cynical part of me is wondering whether this is the new 'Ice bucket challenge' I sincerely hope not. While I'm not saying these women in particular are just looking for attention I would hope that there are no women (or men) exaggerating claims simply to get attention on social media.


  • #933
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭optogirl


    jobr wrote: »
    Reese Witherspoon and America Ferrera are now also speaking about previous abuse / assaults - neither named Harvey though.

    While in one way I think it's fantastic that a light is being shed on this whole sorry affair, a horrible cynical part of me is wondering whether this is the new 'Ice bucket challenge' I sincerely hope not. While I'm not saying these women in particular are just looking for attention I would hope that there are no women (or men) exaggerating claims simply to get attention on social media.

    unfortunately I think it's true to say that most women have experience of, at least, sexual harassment. Most of us get embarassed or angry or scared & try to forget it but now that I see how absolutely widespread and frankly downright unfair it is, I am so sad. Sad that women too are guilty of shrugging it off as a humiliating experience that just happens to us. Maybe it's time we collectively tried to change this for future generations of women & maybe the sudden outbreak of people willing to stand up and say 'it happened to me too' will be some sort of catalyst.


  • #934
    [Deleted User]
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    valoren wrote: »
    I guess it's a case of reputation in this case where she presumably jumps on any latest bandwagon.

    A case of Boy (or Girl) who cried wolf. When you actually have a legitimate position on a topic (in this case sexual harrassment), your previous attention seeking dilutes the serious message and is questioned.

    Perhaps, but it still would put off legitimate people who might want to come forward.


  • #935
    server down
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    valoren wrote: »
    Just to show how powerful and influential Weinstein's reputation as a Producer was in the late 90's consider that Shakespeare in Love won Best Picture in 1999. It is considered now one of, if not the worst movie to win Best Picture, an embarrassing winner as it won out over the likes of Saving Private Ryan, which was a nailed on winner, and The Thin Red Line, now considered one of the best war movies ever made. Weinstein had that much influence over the Academy's voter's.

    It was Weinstein's over-bearing campaigning, networking and patent badgering that was tantamount of bullying the voting block that won the big prizes, so much so that the Academy changed the rules for campaigning due to his aggressive campaigning style including smearing other films, engaging in negative campaigns against other nominees to Academy members.

    .

    to be fair, that bit is Harvey doing his job. You are right about shakespeare in love though.


  • #936
    Riddle101
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    Interesting article about Kevin Smith. He's donating his residuals from his movies, which were produced by Weinstein to charity. I say fair play to him.

    http://www.elleuk.com/life-and-culture/culture/news/a39354/kevin-smith-donate-money-harvey-weinstein-films/


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  • #937
    Wibbs
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    Yeah fair bloody play to him alright. And let's face it it seems that he didn't know about Weinstein and is hardly to blame for that greasy bastards reign of being a pervert, but he shows more spine than any of the other "men" who did know about and have only rattled out PR platitudes. Can't see Tarantino giving up his residuals, or Pitt(who knew about at least on ex who was directly manhandled), or Affleck(ditto) or a few on a long list.

    Then again replacing the Hollywood sign with one that reads Hypocrisy would be more representative. When you have muppets like Streep among others wittering on about feminism while defending a child rapist. Hell you have DeCaprio from his silk lined pulpit wittering on about global warming and reducing our footprint, while flying around the world to these backslapping rallies on private jets. Are these **** that out of touch, that bloody stupid?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #938
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    marienbad wrote: »
    Jeez thank God you warned us - there was me worrying about Trump , kim jong un , Putin et al and I should have focused on Sarkeesian and company - that was close . Lets hope we are not too late
    B0jangles wrote: »
    The ins and outs of that whole business are not really appropriate for discussion in this thread, I only put in the explanation of who she is for people who haven't heard of her because of this post:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104978076&postcount=869

    If you are going to build up to a climax like



    I think it is important for people to know just how completely insane it is to talk about the global end of democracy approaching due to a plan masterminded by someone whose most prominent and controversial action is to review bloody games in a way that makes some gamers really cross.


    I was referring more to what is known as Cultural Hegemony, which is something I see becoming more and more prevalent across the internet. I certainly wasn't trying to promote some 'wimmins conspiracy' nonsense. (Although I admit my explanation was rushed and clumsy.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
    In Marxist philosophy, cultural hegemony is the domination of a culturally diverse society by the ruling class who manipulate the culture of that society—the beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values, and mores—so that their imposed, ruling-class worldview becomes the accepted cultural norm; the universally valid dominant ideology, which justifies the social, political, and economic status quo as natural and inevitable, perpetual and beneficial for everyone, rather than as artificial social constructs that benefit only the ruling class

    I was using the people in the picture as an example of those who should not be left anywhere near power based on their previous examples of being economical with the truth when it suits them.


    I hope this clears things up.

    Incidentally, the BBC had an excellent article yesterday about how China's internet is controlled. It's well worth a read. The first line is particularly striking, and is something we should all be thinking very carefully about.
    If you control public communication you can control the way people think and how they behave. That's what Xi Jinping's government is counting on.
    And it is never more true than at the time of major political gatherings.
    The Communist Party Congress, held every five years, is set to begin next week: an event which will culminate in the revelation of the new leadership team behind General Secretary Xi.
    So the censors here are poised to restrict with one hand and disseminate with the other.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-41523073

    Now imagine trying to break the Weinstein story with an army of Hillary's internet sanitisers working 24/7 to suppress and delete any negative stories about her.

    That was the particular image I was trying to convey.
    Anyway, as you said, we're dragging this discussion off topic. This is about Weinstein and his scumbag network.


  • #939
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Couldn't that Cultural Hegemony be even more easily applied to the system that spawned Weinstein and allowed him to carry on for decades?


  • #940
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yeah fair bloody play to him alright. And let's face it it seems that he didn't know about Weinstein and is hardly to blame for that greasy bastards reign of being a pervert, but he shows more spine than any of the other "men" who did know about and have only rattled out PR platitudes. Can't see Tarantino giving up his residuals, or Pitt(who knew about at least on ex who was directly manhandled), or Affleck(ditto) or a few on a long list.

    Then again replacing the Hollywood sign with one that reads Hypocrisy would be more representative. When you have muppets like Streep among others wittering on about feminism while defending a child rapist. Hell you have DeCaprio from his silk lined pulpit wittering on about global warming and reducing our footprint, while flying around the world to these backslapping rallies on private jets. Are these **** that out of touch, that bloody stupid?


    In Pitt's case at least, he may have a very good reason for keeping quiet. Pitt was, according to some reports, dating his 15 year Dallas co-star Shalane McCaul when Pitt was 24 years old. I'm sure Weinstein could have framed that news story in a very, very negative way if he wanted...

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=lipstick+alley+shalene+mccaul&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPkcXXu_jWAhUFB8AKHWGiAHcQ_AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=590#imgrc=NETv4gczoIR9EM:

    Pitt also allegedly starting dating Juliette Lewis when she as 16. They definitely went public when she turned 18:

    https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/brad-pitt-at-26-with-his-underaged-teen-girlfriends.577453/

    I'll bet Weinstein was running a sort of J. Edgar Hoover scheme on all of Hollywood, with the approval of even more powerful people. Information is the greatest commodity going.
    Get dirt on everyone, and manipulate your way from there. A very straightforward strategy, when you think about it from a strictly rational point of view.
    Morally repugnant, of course.


  • #941
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    SeanW wrote: »
    President Trump made some stupid remarks.

    Harvey Weinstein actually abused women. His actions went FAR beyond Trumps.

    If you can't see the difference between making dumb comments and actually abusing people, it suggests at minimum a very narrow mindset.

    Trump stated a fact. If you have money and power you can do anything to women, as everyone will cover up for you - especially other women - and frantically shame others who commit far milder offences like making a stupid joke that they thought was in private on a bus 20 years ago.

    This whole Weinstein debacle could be a ruse to distract from the paedophile rings that are common knowledge in Hollywood. He is Hollywood's Eamonn Casey, people will look back in 10 years and say "at least he only talked adult women into sex in exchange for advancing their careers" when the really depraved sh1t finally comes out.

    Not making excuses for him, mind, he's a sleazy rapist.


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  • #942
    professore
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    optogirl wrote: »
    unfortunately I think it's true to say that most women have experience of, at least, sexual harassment. Most of us get embarassed or angry or scared & try to forget it but now that I see how absolutely widespread and frankly downright unfair it is, I am so sad. Sad that women too are guilty of shrugging it off as a humiliating experience that just happens to us. Maybe it's time we collectively tried to change this for future generations of women & maybe the sudden outbreak of people willing to stand up and say 'it happened to me too' will be some sort of catalyst.

    It needs to be called out WHEN IT HAPPENS and TELL PEOPLE. The whole "me too" thing just sounds like a cynical play for attention. People need to get proof and write books, blogs and youtube videos. The vast majority of people, both men and women, are disgusted by this kind of behaviour and will support you. There are laws with punitive penalties in place for offenders, and nowadays even the suggestion of sexual assault is enough to ruin a career. So go for it and root out those scumbags.


  • #943
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Riddle101 wrote: »
    Interesting article about Kevin Smith. He's donating his residuals from his movies, which were produced by Weinstein to charity. I say fair play to him.

    http://www.elleuk.com/life-and-culture/culture/news/a39354/kevin-smith-donate-money-harvey-weinstein-films/

    I'm not a massive fan of his films, but he is also one of the few in Hollywood who did not support Polanski and publicly stated so:

    https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/4472158172?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fthatkevinsmith%2Fstatus%2F4472158172


  • #944
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    professore wrote: »
    It needs to be called out WHEN IT HAPPENS and TELL PEOPLE. The whole "me too" thing just sounds like a cynical play for attention. People need to get proof and write books, blogs and youtube videos. The vast majority of people, both men and women, are disgusted by this kind of behaviour and will support you. There are laws with punitive penalties in place for offenders, and nowadays even the suggestion of sexual assault is enough to ruin a career. So go for it and root out those scumbags.


    And that's why we need to be very, very careful. I wouldn't put it past those with something to hide starting rumours and innuendo about innocent people in order to deflect attention. The last thing we want to see is another witch hunt.

    The burden of proof exists for a reason, even though it can be frustrating at times.
    Having said that, more people (especially celebrities) do need to start speaking up loudly if they have useful information.

    Particularly about Dan Schneider, Bryan Singer, and Victor Salva.


  • #945
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »
    And that's why we need to be very, very careful. I wouldn't put it past those with something to hide starting rumours and innuendo about innocent people in order to deflect attention. The last thing we want to see is another witch hunt.

    The burden of proof exists for a reason, even though it can be frustrating at times.
    Having said that, more people (especially celebrities) do need to start speaking up loudly if they have useful information.

    Particularly about Dan Schneider, Bryan Singer, and Victor Salva.

    I was pretty disappointed that Francis Ford Coppola's Production company produced both his Jeepers Creepers movies.

    The movies where the camera seems to linger on teenage boys running around with no tops on.....


  • #946
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    I was pretty disappointed that Francis Ford Coppola's Production company produced both his Jeepers Creepers movies.

    The movies where the camera seems to linger on teenage boys running around with no tops on.....

    Times change. Its not that long ago, everyone thought it funny to laugh at a homosexual paedophile at work. Many still do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ


  • #947
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    I was pretty disappointed that Francis Ford Coppola's Production company produced both his Jeepers Creepers movies.

    The movies where the camera seems to linger on teenage boys running around with no tops on.....

    Times change. Its not that long ago, everyone thought it funny to laugh at a homosexual paedophile at work. Many still do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ
    Jesus. That's astounding. Wtf?


  • #948
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    "Spielberg had a peephole installed in Weinstein's hotel rooms and would masturbate with a prosthetic child hand made from the skin of babies arses."- The National Enquirer.


  • #949
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,413 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Times change. Its not that long ago, everyone thought it funny to laugh at a homosexual paedophile at work. Many still do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ

    It was and still is - detwist your knickers :pac:


  • #950
    tylercheribini
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    Agreed, satire always was and still is one of the most powerful weapons against the transgressions of the powerful and the elite.


  • #951
    marienbad
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    Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »



    I was using the people in the picture as an example of those who should not be left anywhere near power based on their previous examples of being economical with the truth when it suits them.


    Now imagine trying to break the Weinstein story with an army of Hillary's internet sanitisers working 24/7 to suppress and delete any negative stories about her.

    You consider this cultural hegemony ? Get a grip . Most of the world is controlled by right wing governments or dictators , with the EU about the only hold out , and even that is being assailed from within. And most of those governments and dictators have no problem with lying and worse to maintain their power .

    And you see 'the Clinton Crime Syndicate ' and a dozen women visiting Google as indicators of the end of days !

    As I say get a grip and may the force be with them ( they will need it )


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  • #952
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »
    In Pitt's case at least, he may have a very good reason for keeping quiet. Pitt was, according to some reports, dating his 15 year Dallas co-star Shalane McCaul when Pitt was 24 years old. I'm sure Weinstein could have framed that news story in a very, very negative way if he wanted...

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=lipstick+alley+shalene+mccaul&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPkcXXu_jWAhUFB8AKHWGiAHcQ_AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=590#imgrc=NETv4gczoIR9EM:

    Pitt also allegedly starting dating Juliette Lewis when she as 16. They definitely went public when she turned 18:

    https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/brad-pitt-at-26-with-his-underaged-teen-girlfriends.577453/

    I'll bet Weinstein was running a sort of J. Edgar Hoover scheme on all of Hollywood, with the approval of even more powerful people. Information is the greatest commodity going.
    Get dirt on everyone, and manipulate your way from there. A very straightforward strategy, when you think about it from a strictly rational point of view.
    Morally repugnant, of course.

    That happened a lot in Hollywood, quite a lot in the 90s when the internet was not a thing. R Kelly dated a 15 yr old Aaliyah, even illegally marrying her. (Her parents didn't know-when they found out, they had it annulled) And it ultimately damaged her career, too.

    Jerry Seinfeld was pushing 40 when he was dating a 16/ 17 yr old. Nobody batted an eye.
    And that's not even mentioning how one of the Jenners was a minor dating an older guy.

    Ted Nugent adopted a minor so he could have sex with her-she was 16 or 17, I think. (The guy is a serious piece of crap).

    Let's not go around thinking Hollywood is some moral epicenter-they're all equally sick in some way.
    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Times change. Its not that long ago, everyone thought it funny to laugh at a homosexual paedophile at work. Many still do.

    That's still funny-it's satire. The joke is the creepy 'open secret' element of it, to name a few reasons why the joke works.

    Let's not forget, the movie also has this joke.

    . The jokes are still funny. Get over it. It's why people quote the movie over 30 yrs later.


  • #953
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Shirley you can't talk about dating children without mentioning Elvis.


  • #954
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Shirley you can't talk about dating children without mentioning Elvis.

    And Jerry-Lee Lewis


  • #955
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Shirley you can't talk about dating children without mentioning Elvis.

    Or Charlie Chaplin, or Joseph McCarthy (the communist witch hunt guy), or Errol Flynn (young girls, and supposedly men too).



  • #956
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    why do you guys feel the need to point out with youtube videos and all the likes it was accepted to have sex with underage teens, or even with children and laugh about homosexuals not long ago?? what's the point? I think everybody knows this

    we live now, and this things in Hollywood happen now and are now criminal acts and not accepted. I can't see anything else in the lasts posts than an underlying urge to excuse what is happening in Hollywood and elsewhere in the world.
    but we most definetely don't need excuses anymore or what was the 'norm' only a few decades ago. who's interested living in the past.

    stand up to change things now instead of posting this crap. And I think they are not funny at all, the opposite, stupid jokes.


  • #957
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Shirley you can't talk about dating children without mentioning Elvis.

    I can't believe everyone missed that reference… and don't call me Shirley.


  • #958
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I can't believe everyone missed that reference… and don't call me Shirley.

    About fecking time!!


  • #959
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    I was pretty disappointed that Francis Ford Coppola's Production company produced both his Jeepers Creepers movies.

    The movies where the camera seems to linger on teenage boys running around with no tops on.....

    There's a similar scene in the movie Powder-the characters, bizarrely and in some form of revenge, strip the protagonist naked. It makes no sense...until you discover the director's history (It's also Victor Salvas). (Also has a lot of scenes in a shower, involving 'twinks'-what is it with paedos and shower scenes?).

    Someone noted ( I can't find the post, it's on here tho) how McGowan seems angry that her looks faded and so did her career...well, yes and no. Probably. I mean, she did 'play the game of Hollywood'. Seemed grateful to hang on to Robert Rodriguez when he was helping her career (Nobody else would hire her for Deathproof-she was starring in Charmed round then, so that was odd at the time. Rodriguez leaving his wife and kids for her didn't help either's image) and they split round the time his planned Red Sonja movie didn't happen (she wasn't bankable, Deathproof flopped despite having Tarantino on board. Robert's Sin City cred was quickly evaporating).
    Allegedy most studios laughed at Robert when he was like 'I wanna cast my Girlfriend, Rose, in the lead-and I want 70-75 million budget. Movie never got past a concept poster.
    Also, she was involved in a car accident which meant extensive plastic surgery. A broken nose and injured lip, to name a few injuries. That probably had a Jennifer Grey effect-ie 'she didn't look like she did'.

    A number of gymnasts have come forward to alleged molestation or rape during the Olympics.
    One of whom is McKayla Maroney. Happened often, too, including the night before her Silver medal and iconic 'Mckayla's not impressed' image. Adds a dark undertone to that photo.
    But what is disturbing to me with her case (and a russian olympian too) is they name their abuser. I'm uneasy with viglilanteism.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/18/mckayla-maroney-says-usa-gymnastics-team-doctor-began-molesting-her-at-the-age-of-13/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.19805bdbc475

    This one-I find the story heartbreaking, but I also find Tatiana Gutsu's revealing her rapist to be one I cannot agree with. Maybe she wishes to call out other survivors of another possible rape?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/17/former-soviet-gymnast-tatiana-gutsu-accuses-fellow-olympic-gold-medalist-of-rape/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.49b2078733d0

    And this is a well written article that notes the #metoo hashtag is very risky scaremongering. Yes, it's a woman writer.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/metoo-a-moral-panic-about-men/20432#.Wedyn9QrJnI


  • #960
    [Deleted User]
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    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    It's Amanda Brunker-if anyone did/didn't do anything based on something she said, the country would be screwed.
    And again, she wasn't sexually assaulted-it was some guy chancing his arm. But she's a writer, she could be making it up.

    Using that logic - the people coming forward are actors. Surely they could be acting about the whole thing.


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  • #961
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,099 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't like Amanda Brunker that much, but surely the way people are reacting to her would stop anybody from coming out over sexual assaults?

    I just think she had plenty time before now to come out and share her story, why now and she didn't name and shame the person either, maybe I just think she is cynical and a hypocrite given her previous comments
    https://forumofgames.com/




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