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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • #902
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    That link is 404'ing, Liz....... here it is again.

    Wherever there's a bandwagon, you can be damn sure Amanda will be hurling herself onto it.

    Doesn't exactly run congruent with her previous musings:
    "There were plane rides to Monaco and dinners in New York that I turned down. Eejit!"

    "I thought I was being moralistic, that I had standards, but I should have said yes to the guys with the money"


  • #903
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    But Weinstein wasn't merely "hitting on" women was he? He used his status and power to coerce, assault and ruin women. Big difference. Cornering a woman and forcing her to watch you masturbate would be seedy and disgusting no matter what the person doing it looked like.

    Yes it would and I find it impossible to believe Weinstein is the only person in Hollywood to act like that.


  • #904
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Bambi985 wrote: »
    What you'll find people think is "seedy and disgusting" is Weinstein's behaviour of groping, mauling, threatening, emotionally blackmailing, masturbating in front of and sexually assaulting women. If that's your idea of "hitting on women" then I hope to jesus I never meet you.

    Obfuscation. Your tactic is it deary when you cannot grasp an argument? Dismaying that you have one vote like me, democracy is nonsense.


  • #905
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Yes it would and I find it impossible to believe Weinstein is the only person in Hollywood to act like that.

    Who said he was? There are similar rumours around many Hollywood stars. Casey Affleck and Joaquin Phoenix are two that have faced accusations in recent years.


  • #906
    anto9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    You'd wonder how he got anyone to marry him, he is one ugly  looking guy.
    Kinda like the wife of Paul Daniels the UK magician was asked ''what did you see in millionair Paul ?''


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  • #907
    anto9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Ah poor Amanda Brunker of course she had an encounter with a Harvey type monster and only now reveals all

    http://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/amanda-brunker-an-irish-tycoon-tried-to-convince-me-to-perform-sex-acts-when-i-was-17
    Link dont work for me ,but Amanda was one hot chick in her youth ,and she socialised in rich circles .She must have had 1000s lusting after her .


  • #908
    A Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭A Battered Mars Bar


    Omg Amanda Brunker has come out with her sexual assault story from when she was 17 by an well known Irish businessman. Oh my f**king God the poor poor girl :( I feel so sorry for her. I had no idea :( I hope she's ok and finds the strength to get through this Harvey scandal.


  • #909
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,060 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    STOP VICTIM BLAMING AMANDA. You rape apologists with your misogynistic rape culture life.


  • #910
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Jaysus. The boys are all out to play.


  • #911
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,060 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Jaysus. The boys are all out to play.

    You really shouldn't just assume everyone with a differing view is male.


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  • #912
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    pjohnson wrote: »
    You really shouldn't just assume everyone with a differing view is male.

    Boys.


  • #913
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I read yesterday that an ex member of the Pussycat Dolls has alleged that members of their group were passed around industry executives and other fat cats. Maybe she's out for attention on this bandwagon, but it would not surprise me one little bit favours for "favours" would be in the mix.

    It looks like Weinstein was a serial abuser and rapist of dozens of women for over two decades and felt like he had free rein to be so. And clearly he had. Is there any other industry or culture where a creature that was apparently so obvious a criminal would last so long? It's beyond imagining TBH.

    It begs the question of course that if such a criminal could act like this for such a long time and in pretty much full view, in a business that has more media scrutiny and access to media than any other, how come it took so long for the cat to be let out of the bag? It strongly suggests to me that the culture accepted that predators could operate as a part of doing business(his company's contract backs this up, with a scale of financial "penalties" for abuse of underlings). That they kept the media in line and until the cracks appeared in the dam when McGowen and Judd came forward he might have gotten way with it. Staggers the mind. I suppose even those hypocrites who backed a child rapist like Polanski couldn't pretend to ignore this. Though look at the molasses slow reaction from the PR types of the rest of the "stars".

    Which would make it a given that Weinstein was not operating in a vacuum and wasn't the only one. He may well have been the worst criminal - Good christ I hope he was. The idea that there were/are others even half as bad is a scary one - but no way was/is he alone. More is coming out I reckon. I hope.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #914
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I read yesterday that an ex member of the Pussycat Dolls has alleged that members of their group were passed around industry executives and other fat cats. Maybe she's out for attention on this bandwagon, but it would not surprise me one little bit favours for "favours" would be in the mix.

    It looks like Weinstein was a serial abuser and rapist of dozens of women for over two decades and felt like he had free rein to be so. And clearly he had. Is there any other industry or culture where a creature that was apparently so obvious a criminal would last so long? It's beyond imagining TBH.

    It begs the question of course that if such a criminal could act like this for such a long time and in pretty much full view, in a business that has more media scrutiny and access to media than any other, how come it took so long for the cat to be let out of the bag? It strongly suggests to me that the culture accepted that predators could operate as a part of doing business(his company's contract backs this up, with a scale of financial "penalties" for abuse of underlings). That they kept the media in line and until the cracks appeared in the dam when McGowen and Judd came forward he might have gotten way with it. Staggers the mind. I suppose even those hypocrites who backed a child rapist like Polanski couldn't pretend to ignore this. Though look at the molasses slow reaction from the PR types of the rest of the "stars".

    Which would make it a given that Weinstein was not operating in a vacuum and wasn't the only one. He may well have been the worst criminal - Good christ I hope he was. The idea that there were/are others even half as bad is a scary one - but no way was/is he alone. More is coming out I reckon. I hope.

    I read somewhere that it seems whenever news or allegations about Weinstein might come out he'd offer whatever media outlet more juicy stories about proper celebs instead on the condition they not print the thing about him. I'd imagine similar happened with others.


  • #915
    [Deleted User]
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    strandroad wrote: »
    No, he means Anita Sarkeesian's (in the middle) visit to Google. She used to expose sexist tropes in computer games which made her the target of so much threats and doxxing that she's pretty much the face of the fight against online abuse against women now.
    That's the finalisation of an Orweillian nightmare, rightly rejected by the heartland of America.... looks like it means pizzagate is real?

    Anita Sarkeesian also made a career out of courting controversy


  • #916
    [Deleted User]
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    I don't like Amanda Brunker that much, but surely the way people are reacting to her would stop anybody from coming out over sexual assaults?


  • #917
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    It never ceases to amaze me how there seems to be a massive black spot when it comes to trump. He isn't an outsider. He isn't change.

    He is, however, very much caught up in this mess.

    President Trump Subpoenaed Over Sexual Misconduct Allegations
    OCT 15 2017, 4:04 PM ET

    A former contestant on "The Apprentice" who accuses President Donald Trump of past sexual misconduct has filed a subpoena for "all documents concerning any woman who asserted that Donald J. Trump touched her inappropriately," it was revealed on Sunday.


  • #918
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Wibbs wrote: »

    Which would make it a given that Weinstein was not operating in a vacuum and wasn't the only one. He may well have been the worst criminal - Good christ I hope he was. The idea that there were/are others even half as bad is a scary one - but no way was/is he alone. More is coming out I reckon. I hope.

    It seems to me Weinstein got a way with for so long because he had dirt on others even more powerful than himself. These people are like birds of a feather. He will likely be the fall guy, while those behind the scenes make sure the dark deeds of others go unhidden. Again i will ask, what was Bill Clinton doing on Epstein's plane so many times. It's not possible he did not know everything there was to know about Epstein, given the intelligence material he would have access to about any prominent individual he encounters.


  • #919
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Billy86 wrote: »
    He is, however, very much caught up in this mess.

    President Trump Subpoenaed Over Sexual Misconduct Allegations

    He's obviously being framed by the wimmin who want to control the internet (how people can believe this is even possible is staggering)!


  • #920
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,049 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    seamus wrote: »
    "Sex addiction".

    I thought South Park destroyed that nonsense with their pisstake episode. Weinstein really laying on the "Poor me" bull.

    he got a mention in this weeks southpark :)


  • #921
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,049 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    James Corden has to be an utter idiot to be making jokes about a huge news story which is dominating the headlines which involves Hollywood. Making the jokes among the gala of Hollywood too, so stupid. At least wait until the dust has settled. The sensible people in all this are keeping a low profile and not making any comments at all.

    i disagree ....

    well i agree with the idiot part

    just leave it to southpark!


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  • #922
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    anto9 wrote: »
    Link dont work for me ,but Amanda was one hot chick in her youth ,and she socialised in rich circles .She must have had 1000s lusting after her .

    I remember she had many 'friends with benefits' as in if she needed sex, she had fellas she'd call on. She said that on some RTE show, years ago, when she appeared as a 'talking head' type person.
    The problem is, you can be the 'hottest woman in the world', but if people can't stand to be around you for five minutes, then they won't be asking you out to dinner. Plus, she was living at home with mom well into her 30s, so I'd imagine few people would want the drama of being around her and her mom-having to explain 'no, there's no relationship-I'm just here for a good time'.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't like Amanda Brunker that much, but surely the way people are reacting to her would stop anybody from coming out over sexual assaults?

    It's Amanda Brunker-if anyone did/didn't do anything based on something she said, the country would be screwed.
    And again, she wasn't sexually assaulted-it was some guy chancing his arm. But she's a writer, she could be making it up.


  • #923
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    strandroad wrote: »
    No, he means Anita Sarkeesian's (in the middle) visit to Google. She used to expose sexist tropes in computer games which made her the target of so much threats and doxxing that she's pretty much the face of the fight against online abuse against women now.
    That's the finalisation of an Orweillian nightmare, rightly rejected by the heartland of America.... looks like it means pizzagate is real?

    She didn't expose anything-she peddled a story that was ideological propaganda. And she didn't even finish that-she ran out of ideas, because she was full of it.
    As one person noted, every year, there is somewhere in the region of 100-2000 games released per year. (Again, not taking into account mobile gaming, ios gaming-this is PC and console gaming alone). Sarkeesian analysed about maybe 100-200 games, all chosen from the last 20-30 years. In any other scientific study, they would call that a drop in the ocean.
    Even then, when you look at the videos-she clearly ignores how to play the game, skewing it for her own propaganda. For example, Hitman-she claimed one level 'called on the player to shoot a club full of strippers/prostitutes'. In actuality, the player is punished for shooting the women, can also shoot the men, and the mission for the level she showed is to kill a male target.
    The gaming companies didn't listen to her-they pretty much ignored her. When game companies did follow a feminist, rather than egalitarian, ideology-they bombed. Mass Effect Andromeda, killed the company behind it. (If you want to see similar in TV, look at Heartbeats-which was so bad, it was hilarious. And of course, Ghostbusters 2016).

    Edit: The doxxing didn't happen either-most of her claims was either highly exaggerated, or non-existant. However, she did doxx a transgender games journalist, who interviewed an 'opponent' of Sarkeesian.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/feminists-dox-and-harass-transgender-game-journalist-for-writing-about-online-harassment/


  • #924
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    For those completely unaware of the whole 'thing' : Anika Sarkeesian, the international bogeyfeminist's greatest and most heinous act was to make a series of videos talking about how women are represented in videogames.

    That's pretty much it.

    She critiqued games, in the same way as films, books and all other media are.

    Self-identified 'gamers' couldn't handle this and went berserk and now she's apparently at the forefront of a secret cabal with an evil plan for world domination.

    (And just to put it out there, I've been playing games since I was about 8, first machine was an atari 800xl so I've probably been playing for longer than most and I still wouldn't call myself a 'gamer'.)


  • #925
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    You know you are f*cked when even Woody Allen is callin ya a creep. :)


  • #926
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    B0jangles wrote: »
    For those completely unaware of the whole 'thing' : Anika Sarkeesian, the international bogeyfeminist's greatest and most heinous act was to make a series of videos talking about how women are represented in videogames.

    That's pretty much it.

    She critiqued games, in the same way as films, books and all other media are.

    Self-identified 'gamers' couldn't handle this and went berserk and now she's apparently at the forefront of a secret cabal with an evil plan for world domination.

    (And just to put it out there, I've been playing games since I was about 8, first machine was an atari 800xl so I've probably been playing for longer than most and I still wouldn't call myself a 'gamer'.)

    I'd be one of those folk who wasn't too pleased with her critique. She without a doubt made some valid points throughout. There is sexist portrayals of women in games. Games are made for a male dominated audience. In the same way I wouldn't be shocked to pick up a women's magazine and find it wasn't catered to the 15-25 male demograph. To say she was reviewing media like anything else isn't true imo. Most reviewers of film and books don't begin with a conclusion and cherry pick arguments to fit that conclusion. She simply lied in some cases to fit her narrative. She definitely made some incendiary claims to stoke the flames of controversy to heighten her own profile. I don't like when people do that.


  • #927
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭valoren


    Just to show how powerful and influential Weinstein's reputation as a Producer was in the late 90's consider that Shakespeare in Love won Best Picture in 1999. It is considered now one of, if not the worst movie to win Best Picture, an embarrassing winner as it won out over the likes of Saving Private Ryan, which was a nailed on winner, and The Thin Red Line, now considered one of the best war movies ever made. Weinstein had that much influence over the Academy's voter's.

    It was Weinstein's over-bearing campaigning, networking and patent badgering that was tantamount of bullying the voting block that won the big prizes, so much so that the Academy changed the rules for campaigning due to his aggressive campaigning style including smearing other films, engaging in negative campaigns against other nominees to Academy members.

    A more recent example was when Slumdog Millionaire was the favorite a few years ago, there was a story going around that the production had exploited indian child actors. The fingers were immediately pointed at our pal Harvey for making that up which he denied of course.


  • #928
    backspin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    He really is a vile beast. I hope he gets thrown in the slammer when all is said and done. He probably won't though.


  • #929
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd be one of those folk who wasn't too pleased with her critique. She without a doubt made some valid points throughout. There is sexist portrayals of women in games. Games are made for a male dominated audience. In the same way I wouldn't be shocked to pick up a women's magazine and find it wasn't catered to the 15-25 male demograph. To say she was reviewing media like anything else isn't true imo. Most reviewers of film and books don't begin with a conclusion and cherry pick arguments to fit that conclusion. She simply lied in some cases to fit her narrative. She definitely made some incendiary claims to stoke the flames of controversy to heighten her own profile. I don't like when people do that.

    The ins and outs of that whole business are not really appropriate for discussion in this thread, I only put in the explanation of who she is for people who haven't heard of her because of this post:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104978076&postcount=869

    If you are going to build up to a climax like
    I have no doubt whatsoever that the election of Hillary Clinton would have been the final nail in the coffin of old world democracy as we know it. I firmly believe she would have cooked up some excuse to seize control of the internet, and we would end up with a Chinese style internet regulated by terrifying social justice warriors like we saw with Google and their jaw dropping collaboration with lunatics like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian et al.

    We had a terrifying glimpse of the future, and thankfully the heartland of America mobilised and rejected what would have been the finalisation of an Orweillian nightmare in America:
    maxresdefault.jpg

    I think it is important for people to know just how completely insane it is to talk about the global end of democracy approaching due to a plan masterminded by someone whose most prominent and controversial action is to review bloody games in a way that makes some gamers really cross.


  • #930
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    What is to stop Amanda Brunker naming the Business man in question and having the case brought to court?

    On the one hand she cites an alleged woman who was "no friend of women". On the other she worries about the perpetrator and her own hopes that her silence didn't cause him to go on to harm other women. If she was truly concerned and a friend of women she'd name and shame the perpetrator so that other women could be protected.


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  • #931
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭valoren


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't like Amanda Brunker that much, but surely the way people are reacting to her would stop anybody from coming out over sexual assaults?

    I guess it's a case of reputation in this case where she presumably jumps on any latest bandwagon.

    A case of Boy (or Girl) who cried wolf. When you actually have a legitimate position on a topic (in this case sexual harrassment), your previous attention seeking dilutes the serious message and is questioned.


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