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So this Hurricane

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    You seem to really resent me saying its only a storm. It's going to be very windy and there will be heavy rain. Like in a storm - because that's what it is.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭server down


    The usual lot have decided to take the day off tomorrow at taxpayers expense. I know I sound like a killjoy but we really do take the piss in this country.
    I have to drive from Wicklow to Letterkenny tomorrow morning for work. I'm self-employed. Nobody will pay my bills if I don't work.

    This is a historical storm.

    Anyway well done on being a hard chaw who will brave a major storm to travel to letterkenny because nobody between Wicklow and Letterkenny can do the self employed thing you do, and it can’t be done Tuesday. If it weren’t for people like you why the country would fall apart. We all feel a bit less manly.

    I’m going to work tomorrow.., in my living room.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    It's eerie out here in the sticks with the perfect quiet.
    The birds were restless earlier, they're all laid low now.
    Every slug, spider, earwig and daddy-long-leg is trying to get into my house and sheds tonight. Well, they try most nights in all fairness, but they try more tonight :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    MadYaker wrote: »

    Is that stationery, or is it moving in real time?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,878 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    McCrack wrote: »
    Its a storm ffs

    Ex hurricane ophelia by the time it passes over Ireland

    Met Eireann has said on RTE that it will technically be an ex hurricane regarding structure but it will still bring hurricane strength winds with it so it's not just a storm.

    Why are people so reluctant to believe this.


    Also, even if is just a 'storm' these still kill people and cause damage so I would not drive to Letterkenny tomorrow no matter what.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    MadYaker wrote: »


    Any idea who and how thats updated? Is it user generated content or run by some meteorologist like body?

    Just wondering how reliable it is and how often it updates. Pretty cool to look at though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    This is a historical storm.

    Anyway well done on being a hard chaw who will brave a major storm to travel to letterkenny because nobody between Wicklow and Letterkenny can do the self employed thing you do. If it weren’t for people like you why the country would fall apart. We all feel a bit less manly.

    I’m going to work tomorrow.., in my living room.

    Lucky you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭Greybottle


    Story here of the Night of The Big Wind in 1839. Worth a read while we wait,,,,
    THE NIGHT OF THE BIG WIND, 1839 (Reprise)
    By Turtle Bunbury
    The Night of the Big Wind was the most devastating storm ever recorded in Irish history. Known in As Gaeilge as ‘Oiche na Gaoithe Moire’, the hurricane of 6th and 7th January 1839 made more people homeless in a single night than all the sorry decades of eviction that followed it.
    The calm before the Big Wind struck was particularly eerie. Most of the eight million people living in Ireland at the time were preparing themselves for Little Christmas, the Feast of the Epiphany.
    The previous day had seen the first snowfall of the year; heavy enough for some to build snowmen. By contrast, Sunday morning was unusually warm, almost clammy, and yet the air was so still that, along the west coast, voices could be heard floating on the air between houses more than a mile apart
    At approximately 3 o’clock in the afternoon, the rain began to fall and the wind picked up. Nobody could possibly have predicted that those first soft raindrops signified an advance assault from the most terrifying hurricane in human memory.
    By 6 o’clock, the winds had become strong and the raindrops were heavier, sleet-like, with occasional bursts of hail. Farmers grimaced as their hay-ricks and thatched roofs took a pounding. In the towns and villages, fires flickered and doors slammed. Church bells chimed and dogs began to whine. Fishermen turned their ears west; a distant, increasingly loud rumble could be heard upon the frothy horizon.
    At Glenosheen in County Cork, a well-to-do German farmer called Jacob Stuffle began to cry.
    At Moydrum Castle in County Westmeath, 78-year-old Lord Castlemaine decided to turn in early and go to bed.
    In the Wicklow Mountains, a team of geographic surveyors headed up by John O’Donovan, finally made it to their hotel in Glendalough; they had been walking all day, often knee-deep in snow.
    Sailing upon the Irish Sea, Captain Smyth of the Pennsylvania studied his instruments and tried to make sense of the fluctuating pressures.
    By 10 o’clock, Ireland was in the throes of a ferocious cyclone that would continue unabated until 6 o’clock in the morning. The hurricane had roared across 3000 miles of unbroken, island-free Atlantic Ocean, gathering momentum every second.
    It hit Ireland’s west coast with such power that the waves actually broke over the top of the Cliffs of Moher. Reading contemporary accounts, the impression is that if Ireland did not have such magnificent cliffs forming a barrier along our west coast, the entire country would simply have been engulfed by water.
    The noise of the sea crashing against the rocks could be heard for miles inland, above the roar and din of the storm itself. The earth trembled under the assault; the ocean tossed huge boulders onto the cliff-tops of the Aran Islands.
    Perhaps the most terrifying aspect of the hurricane was that it took place in utter darkness. People cannot have known what was going on. The wind churned its way across the land, extinguishing every candle and lantern it encountered. The darkness was relieved only by the lightning streaks that accompanied the storm and the occasional blood-red flicker of the aurora borealis burning in the northern sky.
    All across the country, hundreds of thousands of people awoke to the sound of the furious tempest, their windows shattered by hailstones, their brick-walls rattling, their rain-sodden thatched roofs sinking fast.
    As the wind grew stronger, it began to rip the roofs off houses. Chimney pots, broken slates, sheets of lead and shards of glass were hurtled to the ground. Rather astonishingly, someone later produced a statistic that 4,846 chimneys were knocked off their perches during the Night of the Big Wind.
    Many of those who died that night were killed by falling masonry. Norman tower houses and old churches collapsed. Factories and barracks were destroyed. Fires erupted in the streets of Castlebar, Athlone and Dublin.
    The wind blew all the water out of the canal at Tuam.
    It knocked a pinnacle off Carlow Cathedral and a tower off Carlow Castle.
    It stripped the earth alongside the River Boyne, exposing the bones of soldiers killed in the famous battle 150 years earlier.
    Roads in every parish became impassable. All along the Grand Canal, trees were pulled up by the roots and hurled across the water to the opposite bank.
    Thousands of timber cabins were destroyed by the storm. Surviving inhabitants had no choice but to flee into the pitch-black night in clothes that were presumably soon utterly drenched by the intense rains and snows which accompanied that cruel, piercing wind. Many sought shelter amid the hollows and hedges of the land.
    Farmers were hit particularly hard. Hay-ricks in fields across Ireland were blown to pieces. Wooden fences and dry-stone walls collapsed, allowing fearful livestock to run away. Sheep were blown off mountains or killed by tumbling rocks. Cattle were reported to have simply frozen to death in the fields.
    The next morning, one of Jacob Stuffle’s neighbour recalled seeing the distraught German ‘standing high up on a hillock looking with dismay at his haggard farm … his comfortable well-thatched stacks swept out of existence. Suddenly, he raised his two hands, palms open, high over his head, and looking up at the sky he cried out in the bitterness of his heart, in a voice that was heard all over the village 'Oh, God Almighty, what did I ever do to You and You should thrate (treat) me in that way!'
    Stuffle was not the only man who believed the hurricane, occurring on the night of the Epiphany, was of Divine origin. Many saw it as a warning that the Day of Judgment would soon be here. Some believed the Freemasons had unleashed the Devil from the Gates of Hell and failed to get him back in again.
    Others maintained this was simply the night the English fairies invaded Ireland and forced our indigenous Little People to disappear amid a ferocious whirlwind. (Irish fairies, of course, are wingless and can only fly by calling up the sidhe chora - the magic whirlwinds).
    The well-to-do did not escape; many mansions had their roofs stripped off.
    Lord Castlemaine was fastening his bedroom window when the storm blew the windows open and hurled him ‘so violently upon his back that he instantly expired’.
    His brother-in-law, the Earl of Clancarty, later reported the loss of nearly 20,000 trees on his estate at Ballinasloe. Similar figures came in from other landed estates in every county; one landlord declared his woods were now ‘as bald as the palm of my hand’. At the Seaforde estate in County Down, an estimated 60,000 trees were lost.
    On January 6th 1839, timber was a valuable commodity. 24 hours later, so many trees had fallen that timber was virtually worthless. Millions of wild birds were killed, their nesting places smashed and there was no birdsong that spring. Even crows and jackdaws were on the verge of extinction.
    In his hotel room in Glendalough, John O’Donovan was fortunate not to share Lord Castlemaine’s fate. He was struggling with the shutters when ‘a squall mighty as a thunderbolt’ propelled him across the room. When he viewed the damage next morning, he described it as if ‘the entire country had been swept clean by some gigantic broom’.
    Dublin resembled ‘a sacked city …the whirlwind of desolation spared neither building, tree nor shrub’. The Liffey rose by several feet and overflowed the quay walls. The elms that graced the main thoroughfare of the Phoenix Park were completely levelled, as were the elms at the Royal Hospital Kilmainham. The trees on Leinster Lawn outside the present-day Dail were unrooted and scattered ‘like prostrate giants on their mother earth’.
    The back wall of the Guinness Brewery collapsed killing ‘nine fine horses’. A witness next morning described how ‘the noble animals [were] stretched everywhere as if sleeping, but with every bone crushed by the ponderous weight of the wall’. Military sentry boxes were blown off their stands and ‘scattered like atoms’.
    A glass shop on Nassau Street became ‘a heap of ruins’. On Clare Street, a chimney collapsed on a woman who had only just got into her bed, killing her instantly. Police stations and churches opened the door for thousands of terrified citizens who brought their young and frail in for protection. Even churches could not be trusted on this night of Lucifer.
    The steeple of Irishtown chapel caved in and the bell from the spire of St Patrick’s Cathedral came down like a meteorite; mercifully nobody died in either instance. Phibsborough Road was a bombsite of exploded windows and fallen chimneys ‘as if by shot and shell’.
    One of the 40 female inmates at the Bethesda Penitentiary on the north-side(where the National Wax Museum stands today) took the opportunity to ignite a fire that destroyed the building as well as the surrounding houses, school-house and chapel. Two firemen died trying to extinguish the flames.
    The hurricane did not stop in Dublin. It pounded its way across the Irish Sea, killing hundreds of luckless souls caught at sea.
    It killed nearly 100 fishermen off the coast of Skerries.
    It killed Captain Smyth and the 30 people on board the packet-ship Pennsylvania. Ships all along the west coast of England were wrecked; dead bodies continued to wash up onshore for weeks afterwards.
    At Everton, the same wind unroofed a cotton factory that whitened all the space for miles around, ‘ as if there had been a heavy fall of snow’.
    Estimates as to just how many died that night vary from 300 to 800, a remarkably low figure given the ferocity of the storm. Many more must have succumbed to pneumonia, frostbite or plain old depression in its wake. Those bankrupted by the disaster included hundreds who had stashed their life savings up chimneys and in thatched roofs that disappeared in the night.
    Even in those days it was ‘an ill wind that turned none to good’ and among those to benefit were the builders, carpenters, slaters and thatchers.
    The Big Wind also inspired the Rev Romney Robinson of the Armagh Observatory to invent his world-famous Robinson Cup-anemometer, the standard instrument for gauging wind speed for the rest of the 19th century.
    But perhaps the most unlikely beneficiaries of the Night of the Big Wind were those old enough to remember it when the Old Age Pensions Act was enacted in January 1909, 70 years after the event and 100 years ago this month. The Act offered the first ever weekly pension to those over 70. It was likened to the opening of a new factory on the outskirts of every town and village in Britain and Ireland.
    By March 1909, over 80,000 "British" pensioners were registered of whom 70,000 were Irish! When a committee was sent to investigate this imbalance, it transpired that few births in Ireland were registered before 1865. As such, the Irish Pensions Committee decreed that if someone’s age had 'gone astray' on them, they would be eligible for a pension if they could state that they were ‘fine and hardy’ on the Night of the Big Wind.
    One such applicant was Tim Joyce of County Limerick. 'I always thought I was 60', he explained. 'But my friends came to me and told me they were certain sure I was 70 and as there were three or four of them against me, the evidence was too strong for me. I put in for the pension and got it'.
    So, I guess we can thank our lucky stars that, even if weather forecasters don't always get it right, we of the 21st century do at least get some warning before the next Night of the Big Wind comes along. Hmmm, it seems so very calm outside just now. Tis time for a little stroll perhaps ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭shaunr68


    I lived through 5 winters in Finland. We are a hilarious lot here.

    I've driven the length of Finland, Helsinki through the lakes into the Arctic Circle, through Lapland and crossing into Norway at Karigasniemi but I had yet to encounter one of their famous

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I understand. And if it gets too bad I will stop somewhere. But really - I suspect its the usual hype and drama (with some people secretly delighted to cadge a day off work).

    I suspect it will be very windy and rainy for a few hours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,675 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Patww79 wrote: »
    I think you're seriously underestimating it and are nuts, but anyway what's the point. Very few jobs are worth it though.

    I think someone is trying to convince themselves that driving from Wicklow to Donegal tomorrow will be grand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Dublin Bus giving an ambiguous answer to whether or not they will run services.

    Probably run them in the morning and then cancel them at Midday, stranding people at work :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Anyone else tempted to just pull a sickie tomorrow cause their boss hasn't bothered giving them the day off ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    It's eerie out here in the sticks with the perfect quiet.
    The birds were restless earlier, they're all laid low now.
    Every slug, spider, earwig and daddy-long-leg is trying to get into my house and sheds tonight. Well, they try most nights in all fairness, but they try more tonight :D

    Honestly? Do you think they know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Anyone else tempted to just pull a sickie tomorrow cause their boss hasn't bothered giving them the day off ?

    QED


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    lightspeed wrote: »
    Any idea who and how thats updated? Is it user generated content or run by some meteorologist like body?

    Just wondering how reliable it is and how often it updates. Pretty cool to look at though.

    I've no idea. But if you compare to the most recent models it seems fairly spot on. I've no idea how often it updates, I've had a few drinks tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭JimmyMcGill


    Honestly? Do you think they know?
    You can be sure they know. They have far better sense of danger than us humans do.
    All animals do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Dublin Bus giving an ambiguous answer to whether or not they will run services.

    Probably run them in the morning and then cancel them at Midday, stranding people at work :rolleyes:

    Ah yes, the f*ck everyone over routine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    QED

    This is for my own health, because my boss obviously doesn't care for my safety


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,845 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Greybottle wrote: »
    Story here of the Night of The Big Wind in 1839. Worth a read while we wait,,,,

    Any chance of a Cliffs on that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    You seem to really resent me saying its only a storm. It's going to be very windy and there will be heavy rain. Like in a storm - because that's what it is.

    This "storm" is changing from a hurricane to ex-hurricane but that's largely semantics over its structure than anything else. It does NOT mean its energy will miraculously dissipate. It will still pack a very similar punch to a hurricane its just technically no longer got the characteristic structure that something needs to be called a hurricane. It does not need these to bring a similar amount of destructive force.

    You are free to make any decisions you please, but please don't go misinforming others and downplaying what is a very serious storm. This most certainly is NOT a storm in the conventional sense that Irish people are used to. It's not "only a storm". It's a potential risk to people's lives.


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  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FFS how many times in one day is Week in Politics on RTE? This is the 3rd time I’ve seen it today!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,838 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Just to advise - Ophelia remains a hurricane right now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    I understand. And if it gets too bad I will stop somewhere. But really - I suspect its the usual hype and drama (with some people secretly delighted to cadge a day off
    work).

    First sensible thing you've posted so far
    I suspect it will be very windy and rainy for a few hours

    Really? Ya think so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    From the Cork coast, looking into the storm with binoculars.

    Says to the man next to me...

    "Where gona need a bigger boat ..... Boi"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,845 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I understand. And if it gets too bad I will stop somewhere. But really - I suspect its the usual hype and drama (with some people secretly delighted to cadge a day off work).

    I suspect it will be very windy and rainy for a few hours

    It's not 'the usual' anything. That's the difference.

    I'll go to work because I don't believe it will be a risk but I won't be taking risks for it. It's not that I expect houses to be uprooted and landing on people.

    More likely that it will be something like a large branch or lump of tree hits something or causes a crash..or a dislodged slate falls from a roof and hits someone. It doesn't have to be a dramatic cause but the effect may be.

    So while you think it's worth the risk, you should probably respect the nature of the 'storm'. Most sensible people do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,878 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I understand. And if it gets too bad I will stop somewhere. But really - I suspect its the usual hype and drama (with some people secretly delighted to cadge a day off work).

    I suspect it will be very windy and rainy for a few hours

    You really should realise that this is not hype and it will be more than just wind and rain tomorrow.

    The wind is going to cause structural damage and this can kill people.

    Why can't you understand this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    Anyone interested in a bit of golf tomorrow the courses should be quiet with all these worriers about. Might be a bit windy and a bit wet but should be mild enough.


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