"White people most violent and oppressive"

A Little Pony · 13-10-2017 12:52pm #1

https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/918610746375671808
Very bizarre arguments from this woman. Discussion is on the Iplayer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0991mf1/this-week-12102017

bloodless_coup · 13-10-2017 12:54pm

And?

13-10-2017 12:56pm

Where do Irish people fall into this, the red, freckled, toothless, drunken crazed folk that we are !

Will I Am Not · 13-10-2017 12:57pm

Why am I seeing this woman pop up everywhere?
All she is good for is a soundbyte to rile up a few "right wingers"
A few weeks ago I didn't recognise or hear of her.
It would be nice if we could go back to that time.

Cheshire Cat · 13-10-2017 12:58pm

It's the Katie Hopkins effect: If you want to make a name for yourself, be as controversial as possible. It may work or it may backfire big time.

BillyBobBS · 13-10-2017 12:58pm

Bit sick of the constant attacks on white men from all over the place tbh. The constant narrative of us all being potential racists or sexual predators is pathetic.

beans · 13-10-2017 12:58pm

They mean the English. Most of us are grand.

super_furry · 13-10-2017 1:02pm

She's the black Katie Hopkins. Fired from L'Oreal for being racist, picked up by another outlet for being controversial.

Agent Coulson · 13-10-2017 1:03pm

6541 wrote: »

Where do Irish people fall into this, the red, freckled, toothless, drunken crazed folk that we are !

Will I Am Not · 13-10-2017 1:05pm

If you say 'white people' at least once in every 2 minutes you are speaking, you're more than likely racist. Same goes for any other colour.

Beta Ray Bill · 13-10-2017 1:06pm

Completely disagree with that.

History would dictate that, Whites (Europeans) and Asians are the most cooperative, hence the reason nearly every major European and Asian power has conquered or attempted to conquer most of their known world.

British Empire
French Empire
Spanish Empire
Mongol Empire
Qing Dynasty
Nazis
Roman Empire
Alexander the beedlin deadly
etc etc.

The list goes on an on.

The gained vast amounts of territory as the people the conquered were to busy fighting themselves.

Also to note:
The first Slavers were black. Slavery is something that originated in central Africa, and was adapted and used by whites to a much larger degree (They effectively commercialized it)

Gwynplaine · 13-10-2017 1:08pm

super_furry wrote: »

She's the black Katie Hopkins. Fired from L'Oreal for being racist, picked up by another outlet for being controversial.

Sure black people can't be racist, same as women can't be sexist.

whoopsadoodles · 13-10-2017 1:09pm

Now. I don't know how to put this really without it being taken up badly....but....

Does she not look like a white person with a tan and dreads?

Effects · 13-10-2017 1:12pm

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Now. I don't know how to put this really without it being taken up badly....but....

Does she not look like a white person with a tan and dreads?

So your issue is that her features aren't black enough for you?

Beta Ray Bill · 13-10-2017 1:12pm

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Now. I don't know how to put this really without it being taken up badly....but....

Does she not look like a white person with a tan and dreads?

Reminds me of:

Berlusconi
Obama
Tan

....... :pac:

seachto7 · 13-10-2017 1:13pm

grahambo wrote: »

Completely disagree with that.

History would dictate that, Whites (Europeans) and Asians are the most cooperative, hence the reason nearly every major European and Asian power has conquered or attempted to conquer most of their known world.

British Empire
French Empire
Spanish Empire
Mongol Empire
Qing Dynasty
Nazis
Roman Empire
Alexander the beedlin deadly
etc etc.

The list goes on an on.

The gained vast amounts of territory as the people the conquered were to busy fighting themselves.

Also to note:
The first Slavers were black. Slavery is something that originated in central Africa, and was adapted and used by whites to a much larger degree (They effectively commercialized it)

The Belgians were only having a laugh in the Congo then were they? Away and ****e for yourself.

whoopsadoodles · 13-10-2017 1:15pm

Effects wrote: »

So your issue is that her features aren't black enough for you?

Yes. That's my issue

buried · 13-10-2017 1:15pm

lol The age of celebrity is completely and utterly f**ked if this is what it's current apex commentary is. I applaud this wan's efforts and noise that will help destroy it further. You go girlfriend

Boom_Bap · 13-10-2017 1:15pm

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Now. I don't know how to put this really without it being taken up badly....but....

Does she not look like a white person with a tan and dreads?

She is mixed race according to the video clip.

whoopsadoodles · 13-10-2017 1:18pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

She is mixed race according to the video clip.

I didn't listen to it, apologies.

Just read up on her, yep. Her Mother is white - obviously a racist too then?

cfuserkildare · 13-10-2017 1:21pm

Ehmmm,
So no-one is watching the Massive rise in Murders in South Africa?
are not killing each other and ANYONE ELSE that gets in the way in Almost every other country in the African Continent?
See the Travel Warnings below:-
https://www.tripsavvy.com/travel-warnings-for-countries-in-africa-1454328

cfuserkildare · 13-10-2017 1:22pm

Also, travel warnings for most Middle East countries!!
How White are they?

Boom_Bap · 13-10-2017 1:26pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Ehmmm,
So no-one is watching the Massive rise in Murders in South Africa?
are not killing each other and ANYONE ELSE that gets in the way in Almost every other country in the African Continent?
See the Travel Warnings below:-
https://www.tripsavvy.com/travel-warnings-for-countries-in-africa-1454328

Yeah, I've been to SA 2 or 3 times and was murdered each visit.

Ralf and Florian · 13-10-2017 1:31pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

She is mixed race according to the video clip.

And "she" once had a mickey.

Wibbs · 13-10-2017 1:40pm

grahambo wrote: »

Also to note:
The first Slavers were black. Slavery is something that originated in central Africa, and was adapted and used by whites to a much larger degree (They effectively commercialized it)

Slavery in various forms has been around since history was written down and almost certainly before. Slavery was a feature of the Classical world, of ancient Egypt, pretty much everywhere. It had no colour. If you mean the transatlantic slave economy that came later? Then yes at that stage slavery was officially outlawed in Europe and the slave traders both European and Arabian got their "stock" from preexisting slave cultures within Africa.

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

And "she" once had a mickey.

TBH looking at this muppet and others who get too much attention, we've reached peak retard in Western Civilisation.

readyletsgo · 13-10-2017 1:46pm

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

And "she" once had a mickey.

Ah now I remember her, that was a few weeks back right? Where L'Oréal let her go? Because of her 'views'.

bigar · 13-10-2017 2:36pm

seachto7 wrote: »

The Belgians were only having a laugh in the Congo then were they? Away and ****e for yourself.

The Belgians actually cleaned up the mess left by their king and his band of international "explorers" in the Congo Free State. They were very reluctant to have to do so as they did not really wanted a colony.

They stopped the exploitation of the local population and the violent punishments like cutting off people's hands. They were thwarted in their attempts by the international corporations who did no want to lose their cheap labour.

Pac1Man · 13-10-2017 2:41pm

G'wan the whites.

who the fug · 13-10-2017 2:48pm

beans wrote: »

They mean the English. Most of us are grand.

If the English didn't exist we would have to invent them

Are Am Eye · 13-10-2017 2:50pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdqlROzgvg

Donald Trump · 13-10-2017 2:57pm

Is it coz I iz Black?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJmY6h-LV0

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-10-2017 3:03pm

Well, if you look at North and South America, Australia, large parts of Africa as well as India, all were colonised by white, Europeans folks. English, Spanish, Portugese, Dutch, French, German, to name but a few.
All this was acompanied by the native population being marginalised and pushed aside.
There is no denying that. It's just a fact. We can make clever arguments around that or try and whitewash it (no pun intended), rationalise it, deny it, there simply is no denying the very fact.
The Irish were even victims of it, courtesy of your neighbours.
The issue is, we must move past this, we can't be held responsible for the actions of our ancestors. So much trouble in the world happens because people are unable to move past historical events that never happened to them personally or were perpetrated by people centuries dead.
And you know well what I'm talking about, because the howls of "700 years!!!" pipe up from some people as soon as anyone suggests the Brits aren't so bad and havent't invaded anyone in ages actually.

edit:
I do not agree with Ms Bergdorf. I strongly disagree that here is an inherent, ingrained, widespread, institutional racism and that this racism is present in all members of society. She is using the above outlined historical facts to stir up some white priviledge guilt for reasons that aren't entirely clear to me.

Saruhashi · 13-10-2017 3:14pm

grahambo wrote: »

Completely disagree with that.

History would dictate that, Whites (Europeans) and Asians are the most cooperative, hence the reason nearly every major European and Asian power has conquered or attempted to conquer most of their known world.

British Empire
French Empire
Spanish Empire
Mongol Empire
Qing Dynasty
Nazis
Roman Empire
Alexander the beedlin deadly
etc etc.

The list goes on an on.

The gained vast amounts of territory as the people the conquered were to busy fighting themselves.

Also to note:
The first Slavers were black. Slavery is something that originated in central Africa, and was adapted and used by whites to a much larger degree (They effectively commercialized it)

The thing is though she is saying that the white race IS the most violent and oppressive force on Earth, not WAS.

At least historically you could look at conquering forces etc and say well some of the stuff that happened was pretty bad.

Most sane people will understand that history cannot be undone and it makes very little sense to hold people accountable for the actions of their parents/grandparents/great grandparents etc.

To be honest, if I was in the pub with my German friends and someone came over to aggressively get on their case about WW2 my initial reaction would be anger towards that person for even bringing something like that up.

It certainly wouldn't occur to me to say "well maybe you Germans should apologize and feel bad about what your countrymen did all those years ago".

To hold grudges against a race of people today for something their ancestors did long ago seems like the most stereotypical, ignorant, stupid, racism.

If the argument is that the white race are the most violent and oppressive in the world TODAY then I have to wonder about the motivations of the person who would even bring that up. Lots of violence is being done by people from all races.

It feels like this is more of a ploy to stoke up racism from white supremacy/nationalist groups so they can say "see! we told you!".

It's getting to the point where a sure sign that someone is a racist is the fact that they are constantly writing internet articles pointing out the failings of another race.

partyguinness · 13-10-2017 3:15pm

While it is a blanket genenalisation- I can't disagree.

Hande hoche! · 13-10-2017 3:20pm

Pac1Man wrote: »

G'wan the whites.

Tis time to colonize Antarctica.

suicide_circus · 13-10-2017 3:21pm

She is a cretin. She should probably get off the internet which a tool of white violence and oppression.

server down · 13-10-2017 3:22pm

partyguinness wrote: »

While it is a blanket genenalisation- I can't disagree.

For people who agree can you break whites in their ethnicities and most them in order of most violent and oppressive.

13-10-2017 3:31pm

I believe in Procreative Racial Deconstruction.

We just gotta keep f*cking until we're all the same colour.

Grayson · 13-10-2017 3:31pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Bit sick of the constant attacks on white men from all over the place tbh. The constant narrative of us all being potential racists or sexual predators is pathetic.

ahhh. Poor you. Have you considered therapy? :pac:

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 3:33pm

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Now. I don't know how to put this really without it being taken up badly....but....

Does she not look like a white person with a tan and dreads?

Looks mixed race to me.

Donald Trump · 13-10-2017 3:33pm

Maybe she was referring to the state of Kildare football under Nordie management?

Varik · 13-10-2017 3:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe in Procreative Racial Deconstruction.

We just gotta keep f*cking until we're all the same colour.

Wouldn't happen, people don't move around enough to homogenize to that extent.

Not to mention no one is choosing to move to the third world so they'll continue as is.

Hande hoche! · 13-10-2017 3:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe in Procreative Racial Deconstruction.

We just gotta keep f*cking until we're all the same colour.

We would end up with left handed/ dyslexic/ vegan plutocrats.

riffmongous · 13-10-2017 3:44pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

RasTa · 13-10-2017 3:52pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaB5AVNg14c

Donald Trump · 13-10-2017 3:54pm

Varik wrote: »

Wouldn't happen, people don't move around enough to homogenize to that extent.

Not to mention no one is choosing to move to the third world so they'll continue as is.

10 generations back you will have 1024 great great ...... great grandparents.

(Unless you are from Offaly, in which case the average number would be 7)

wakka12 · 13-10-2017 3:56pm

Yeh that makes sense and explains why countries that are mostly white are some of the most peaceful countries on earth with lowest crime rates and have the highest levels of social equality in the world.

Also most of the poeple at anti racism rallies or whatever are mostly white people. Racism isnt socially acceptable in almost any of western societies
The white people are racist meme is just so pathetic and tiresome at this stage

cfuserkildare · 13-10-2017 3:56pm

Oddly enough, Most races that were Enslaved were not the original occupants of those countries/States/Islands.

Grayson · 13-10-2017 3:57pm

grahambo wrote: »

The first Slavers were black. Slavery is something that originated in central Africa, and was adapted and used by whites to a much larger degree (They effectively commercialized it)

When was that? I'm not saying that slaves didn't exist in Africa I'm just thinking they existed in Roman, Greek Egyptian and probably even in Mesopotamia.

Saruhashi · 13-10-2017 3:59pm

Grayson wrote: »

ahhh. Poor you. Have you considered therapy? :pac:

Does the popularity of content like this not trouble you at all?

I keep trying to figure out what is going on with these kind of articles. Are they just perfectly valid criticism of white people? Or are they some kind of popularized racism?

I know if I had a friend who kept saying negative things about Chinese people then I'd be saying something to them and probably would end the friendship too.

Even if it was just "Chinese people talk to loud on the phone" and "Chinese are terrible drivers" if it happened often enough I'd be saying "OK, you need to stop".

It's just really, really, weird that you have a group of people who are constantly going on about "white people".

I wouldn't befriend someone who was always giving out about Jews or Muslims or whatever because it's a sure sign that they are a bit of a d!ckhead. They aren't getting mainstream coverage on the BBC.

I'd be pretty horrified if the BBC published content that asked "Are Muslims the biggest threat to British society since the Nazis?" and I'd expect most sensible people to be disgusted and outraged.

"The white race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth"

Replace white with any other ethnicity there and we are talking potential hate crime.

Replace white with any other ethnicity there and I am thinking the speaker is a neo-nazi or white supremacist who needs a very, VERY, stern talking to.

This should not be promoted by the BBC and it's kind of concerning that it is.

I don't think it's necessarily offensive but something doesn't feel right about this at all.

How far would they be able to push it before you would say "enough is enough"?

Grayson · 13-10-2017 4:04pm

Saruhashi wrote: »

"The white race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth"

Replace white with any other ethnicity there and we are talking potential hate crime.

If we look at the numbers killed by a particular race then I'm pretty certain that white people would be at the top. From world wars to colonisation, they've got the record. If we even just look at the post war period, most wars were proxy wars between the USSR and the US.

I don't believe that a white person is any more inherently violent than a person of any other race. But I would say that white people are responsible for a fcuk load of misery in the world. Both can be accurate and don't contradict each other.

"White people most violent and oppressive"

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