Budget 2018 - Mod note in post #1

boardsuser1 · 10-10-2017 10:13PM

Prime time is like a load of oul ones bickering at bingo.

Lackey · 10-10-2017 10:28PM

OMD wrote: »

You are looking at tax and welfare reforms only which is an incorrect way to look at it.

For example minimum wage is going up by 30c an hour which means the low paid worker (working full time) will get an extra €600 a year. Most workers can expect pay rises of the order of 2-2.5% next year meaning the majority of workers can expect to be well over €700 better off next year.

Those on welfare can only expect the increase announced in the budget so far from those on welfare faring too well, the gap between those on welfare and those working is increasing not narrowing.

Sorry but according to Prime Time with PRSI etc. the min wage worker working 40 hrs per week will just about gain 8 euro per week...but when you take into account the costs associated with working full time it will mean that questions will be asked, comparing low wage work to social welfare.

Out of interest I would love to see comparable figures associated with low paid work vs social welfare but I suppose it would be hard to determine based on family payments medical cards ages of kids etc

myshirt · 10-10-2017 10:29PM

Jack O'Connor is off again if anyone is watching Primetime. This man is unreal.

snowflaker · 10-10-2017 10:29PM

€1 a week better off!

I'll buy a can of coke, eh, Diet coke!

Lose more in reduction in MIR tho!

myshirt · 10-10-2017 10:30PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Does that include rolling tobacco ?

25c on the roll your own.

Irish_rat · 10-10-2017 10:35PM

The lack of investment in infrastructure is chronic. I'd happily give up my cup of coffee every week for the start of MN

tayto lover · 10-10-2017 10:36PM

If you work in this country you're screwed.BUT if you lie in bed you get extras.
Time the workers stood up for themselves.

Geuze · 10-10-2017 10:36PM

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

And all the evidence points to that that incentive being there, i.e. when the jobs are there, people will take them.

Full employment for Ireland is regarded as being somewhere between 5 and 6 percent. During the boom we were running below that, between 4 and 5 at the height of it. We're now back down to 6.1 percent, so not far off it again.

Although unemployment is falling in Ireland, employment is still low.

And we lead the EU in the number of people living in VLWI households.

VLWI = very low work intensity

Hitman3000 · 10-10-2017 10:38PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote:

Does that include rolling tobacco ?

Not sure, give up my interest 13 years ago.

draiochtanois · 10-10-2017 10:39PM

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Geuze · 10-10-2017 10:39PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What is amount you can earn without paying tax, is that a stupid question?
Does everyone pay USC, or is there a threshold

16,500

USC threshold is 13,000

Hitman3000 · 10-10-2017 10:39PM

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

Prime time is like a load of oul ones bickering at bingo.

Not one of them on less than a 100k a year justifying a 2 euro+ a week increase to the plebs.

Hitman3000 · 10-10-2017 10:40PM

tayto lover wrote:

If you work in this country you're screwed.BUT if you lie in bed you get extras. Time the workers stood up for themselves.

So when are you going on the dole if it's so good?

boardsuser1 · 10-10-2017 10:43PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So when are you going on the dole if it's so good?

Has anyone done the maths to see how much that panel are better off as a result of the budget?

Combined or individually.

K-Zap is talking a load of bollox.

Does Pearse Doherty ever listen back on what he says?

He's rambling on about all sorts of figures, but if it came down to it would these figures work in reality?

MayoSalmon · 10-10-2017 10:47PM

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

He's rambling on about all sorts of figures, but if it came down to it would these figures work in reality?

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

Does Pearse Doherty ever listen back on what he says?

He would just put a 90% tax on all the Richard Bransons walking around Dublin...the figures will write themselves sure

Geuze · 10-10-2017 10:48PM

VLWI

http://www.publicpolicy.ie/one-fifth-of-households-have-little-work/

http://www.publicpolicy.ie/wp-content/uploads/Redmond2016.pdf

Straffan1979 · 10-10-2017 10:49PM

Total bullsh1t budget; Do these people think we were born yesterday-a lousy € fiver a week -FFS, an embarrassment-an INSULT to working people.

There's a new 'old reliable' now. It's called the USC- an emergency tax measure that we'll pay for the rest of our days.

It's simple . The working poor want rid of this USC. We don't want your €fiver- we want a road map out of USC where people can get paid for their hard earned work/ overtime /24hr rosters etc without being constantly hammered down.

Nobody will buy this FG 3 card trick. This opens the door for FF landslide in the next election.

And to add insult to injury who are the big winners today- the construction industry charlatans that got us into this mess to begin with. Next stop an expensive tribunal for the taxpayer into the operation of NAMA- a government sponsored secret society ...... rant over

Geuze · 10-10-2017 10:49PM

People aged less than 60 living in households with very low work intensity, 2014–15 (%)

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Geuze · 10-10-2017 10:50PM

Sierra Oscar · 10-10-2017 10:50PM

A fairly decent budget all in all, no major surprises. It's good to see the commercial sector are being asked to pay their fair share of taxes when it comes to the construction industry, although we have to be careful that we don't become too reliant on tax receipts that could plummet with the slightest hint of an international downturn (we're due one too, the Great Recession was nearly a decade ago at this stage).

I really hope we don't have this expectation that social welfare payments will be increased by €5 in every budget from here on in. The social welfare bill is already starting to swell. I'd like to see investment in services, the €301m social welfare package would have a significant impact on services if it was targeted.

Geuze · 10-10-2017 10:52PM

Straffan1979 wrote: »

It's simple . The working poor want rid of this USC. We don't want your €fiver- we want a road map out of USC where people can get paid for their hard earned work/ overtime /24hr rosters etc without being constantly hammered down.

Note that for many, USC is less than the two previous taxes it replaced: the Income and Health levies.

Also note that the plan is to merger USC and PRSI.

suicide_circus · 10-10-2017 10:54PM

Varadkar fails to deliver.

Sierra Oscar · 10-10-2017 10:55PM

Geuze wrote: »

Note that for many, USC is less than the two previous taxes it replaced: the Income and Health levies.

A lot of people forget that the USC replaced both the income levy and the health levy. It cannot be abolished. Politicians who claim that it can are being reckless in the extreme.

boardsuser1 · 10-10-2017 10:56PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

A lot of people forget that the USC replaced both the income levy and the health levy. It cannot be abolished. Politicians who claim that it can are being reckless in the extreme.

They can merge it to make it look like it has gone away.

pilly · 10-10-2017 10:59PM

Straffan1979 wrote:

Nobody will buy this FG 3 card trick. This opens the door for FF landslide in the next election.

FF are just as responsible for this budget.

VinLieger · 10-10-2017 11:02PM

pilly wrote: »

FF are just as responsible for this budget.

Yeah but even though their finger prints are all over it their name isnt on it and in the memory of the irish electorate thats all that matters unfortunately

MayoSalmon · 10-10-2017 11:02PM

pilly wrote:

FF are just as responsible for this budget.

Main culprits to be honest...reigned in Leo's tax cuts dramatically to give dole heads a fiver

pilly · 10-10-2017 11:05PM

VinLieger wrote:

Yeah but even though their finger prints are all over it their name isnt on it and in the memory of the irish electorate thats all that matters unfortunately

I disagree. I give Irish people more credit. Anyone I know is fully aware that there are 2 parties responsible for what's going on at the moment.

Problem is where are the viable alternatives?

Anyway that's off topic I suppose.

eagle eye · 10-10-2017 11:07PM

When the honest hardworking citizen is getting less from a budget than the lad not working then it's time to vote for somebody else.

The country is in good enough shape to put a few euro back in the working man's pocket. This will generate more business and put the country in better financial shape.

I hate to say this but we need to put the crooks that are Fianna Fail back in power.

Straffan1979 · 10-10-2017 11:11PM

pilly wrote: »

FF are just as responsible for this budget.

But nicely covered from the firing line when it comes to the ballot box all the same

Budget 2018 - Mod note in post #1

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