Off Topic Thread 3.0

CatFromHue · 03-10-2017 03:58PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No. They're not right about gun control in any way.

There has been 1516 mass shootings in the United States in the past 1735 days.

Don't listen to their nonsense rhetoric about it happening in Europe. The rate with which these things happen is astronomically different. And again, we have Port Arthur to show us that a buyback/ban scheme works.

I was talking about mass mass shootings. A mass shooting is anything more than 3 so incidents like what happened in LV can't really be compared to a situation where 4 people got shot.

I don't know for exact but I would wonder at how the rate of mass mass shootings do compare in Europe and the US.

There is a page in Wiki that lists the killings in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

irishbucsfan · 03-10-2017 04:05PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I was talking about mass mass shootings. A mass shooting is anything more than 3 so incidents like what happened in LV can't really be compared to a situation where 4 people got shot.

I don't know for exact but I would wonder at how the rate of mass mass shootings do compare in Europe and the US.

There is a page in Wiki that lists the killings in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

When you get to the stage where you're trying to finagle the numbers so that a shooting where 4 people die doesn't count as a mass shooting, there is something very seriously wrong.

Both "mass mass" shootings and mass shootings are more common. They've broken their records for biggest shootings in 2016 and then again in 2017. It can be prevented. They won't do it.

Buer · 03-10-2017 04:07PM

You can't really define mass shootings by the death toll. On that wiki link, there's a mass shooting last year in Austria where only 2 were killed but 11 were injured.

I'd certainly consider 13 people being shot as a mass shooting.

Podge_irl · 03-10-2017 04:21PM

“Now is not the time to talk about gun control and politicize it”

“We need to take action immediately to stop bad people coming to the US. Block refugee programs and suspend immigration”

Absolutely baffling that this is the discourse that is followed in the US. Not that I necessarily think we would be better in the circumstances. But a country that allows its own citizens to cause some wanton carnage while being terrified of a largely non existent foreign threat. It’s just dismaying.

stephen_n · 03-10-2017 09:07PM

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

In fairness if you look up guns being fired with silencer you'll see that it doesn't exactly lower it to the movie level thewp.

No it certainly doesn't but it would impact the ability to hear these attacks begin and therefore the ability to get away. They are not hunting aids that's for sure.

stephen_n · 03-10-2017 09:29PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I was talking about mass mass shootings. A mass shooting is anything more than 3 so incidents like what happened in LV can't really be compared to a situation where 4 people got shot.

I don't know for exact but I would wonder at how the rate of mass mass shootings do compare in Europe and the US.

There is a page in Wiki that lists the killings in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

The interesting part of that is there are probably as many mass shootings in the last 20 months in the US as the last 20 years in Europe. Also the vast majority happen in countries with more relaxed gun laws, like Eastern Europe and Russia.

Neil3030 · 05-10-2017 07:42PM

So I sometimes switch my laptop's date back to August 2016, so that I can use an evaluation version of a certain software that I won't name. The trick gets my software to run fine, but once my clock is behind, most websites won't allow me onto them. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and many others that don't immediately spring to mind. Boards, however, continues to work, which is cool.

05-10-2017 08:03PM

Neil3030 wrote: »

So I sometimes switch my laptop's date back to August 2016, so that I can use an evaluation version of a certain software that I won't name. The trick gets my software to run fine, but once my clock is behind, most websites won't allow me onto them. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and many others that don't immediately spring to mind. Boards, however, continues to work, which is cool.

Before the first week of European rugby, has anyone any initial thoughts on likely selection for the Lions tour to NZ?

irishbucsfan · 05-10-2017 08:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Before the first week of European rugby, has anyone any initial thoughts on likely selection for the Lions tour to NZ?

Forgot that was next summer, should be good. You'd have to say Dan Biggar is nailed on to start at 10.

CatFromHue · 05-10-2017 11:15PM

This whole Hook saga has gone mental.

Fintan O'Toole said he wouldn't go on Newstalk while he was still there and threw a lot of ****e Newstalk's way. Dil from Global Village said she wouldn't do her show, and there was the signed letter from 20 or so staff about Hook.

Now Hook is gone, Dil has been let go, and IT journo's are barred from Newstalk and Today FM!!!

I remember listening to Hook's show when he said what he said and thought that's a bit close to the bone but wow I never expected all that has happened since to happen.

Zzippy · 05-10-2017 11:46PM

Where were O'Toole's principles all the time that misogynist Myers was writing for the IT?

CatFromHue · 06-10-2017 12:29PM

Who do you say Myers was a misogynist?

I read very little of his work so I dunno.

06-10-2017 12:39PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Who do you say Myers was a misogynist?

I read very little of his work so I dunno.

Probably based on his recent article about women's pay in the BBC? Which, fwiw was not published in the Irish Times.

I always thought he was fairly highly regarded for his Irishman's diary stuff when he worked for the IT. Maybe he has previous.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2017 12:47PM

Emilee Bitter Ginseng wrote: »

Probably based on his recent article about women's pay in the BBC? Which, fwiw was not published in the Irish Times.

I always thought he was fairly highly regarded for his Irishman's diary stuff when he worked for the IT. Maybe he has previous.

Yes, he has previous. I remember he was fairly vilified for going off on single mothers before.

He's an absolute wind-up merchant though. He has a job for the same reason Stephen Jones does. His "Easter Rising was the worst thing to ever happen to Ireland" shtick is so transparent.

Buer · 06-10-2017 12:48PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Where were O'Toole's principles all the time that misogynist Myers was writing for the IT?

The lack of awareness when he posted on Twitter criticising Communicorp for limiting free speech was entertaining.

Erik Shin · 06-10-2017 12:53PM

Sooo, when you're editing a wedding greetings video for the happy couple from 3 Irish based players and there's a JPEG of someone taking a piss!... You don't see the face is all I'll say

CatFromHue · 06-10-2017 01:12PM

I'm not 100% sure if Myers article on single mothers is misogynistic

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irishman-s-diary-1.413221

it's certainly very aggressive and mean spirited.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2017 01:22PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure if Myers article on single mothers is misogynistic

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irishman-s-diary-1.413221

it's certainly very aggressive and mean spirited.

It's absolutely misogynistic. He would never write in that tone about men, because he doesn't feel as massively superior.

thomond2006 · 06-10-2017 01:26PM

M*ers is an arse.

On another note, wassup with the Bucs IBF? Very poor on third down.

ClanofLams · 06-10-2017 01:32PM

No Cummiskey on Off the Ball means this is the best thing DOB has done in years. Bad enough with the rugby podcasts, he was on the Sunday paper review more often recently too.

CatFromHue · 06-10-2017 01:32PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's absolutely misogynistic. He would never write in that tone about men, because he doesn't feel as massively superior.

the few articles I've read of his he writes in that tone about everyone

Buer · 06-10-2017 01:43PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

No Cummiskey on Off the Ball means this is the best thing DOB has done in years. Bad enough with the rugby podcasts, he was on the Sunday paper review more often recently too.

That's an interesting consideration. Thornley has a long established relationship with OTB and is on it pretty much every week.

There is an element of cutting their noses off to spite their face.

CatFromHue · 06-10-2017 01:52PM

Yeah massively.

Whatever about not letting Fintan back on, I think Una Mullaly might have said she wouldn't go on Newstalk either, banning everyone is really putting themselves in a bind.

Conor Pope is regularly on as well and he's gone too. Diarmuid Ferriter would be another who's on from time to time, though I'm not sure if he's classed as an IT journo, Patrick Freyne is on The Last Word most weeks, Emmet Malone and Malachy Clerkin gone too

The other thing is that the IT let one of the NT heads write a reply to Fintan's article in their paper. Now it wasn't a great article but they were offered a platfrom to disagree with him.

It also raises the question, that a lot of people have already, of having two national broadcasters under the control of one company/person.

Edit: then there's also how will this affect staff morale. I can't imagine any of the staff being happy at being told who they can and can't talk to.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2017 02:01PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

the few articles I've read of his he writes in that tone about everyone

He keeps some of his most stinging content for females, in particular Jewish females as we found out!

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2017 02:02PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

M*ers is an arse.

On another note, wassup with the Bucs IBF? Very poor on third down.

Yes. Huge surprise. Bucs are rubbish again.

(To be fair we’re missing 4 starters on defense. Need them back ASAP)

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2017 02:14PM

Although at least we don't employ Cam Newton! Talk about misogynist!

Drives me mad. He completely dismisses a serious female journalist while laughing off the idea that a female would ask football tactics, then the next day he gets praised for his apology. His apology was literally him saying he had made a bad "word choice"... as if there are better words to say what he said. What an ass. I hope the Bucs destroy the Panthers.

CatFromHue · 06-10-2017 02:27PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He keeps some of his most stinging content for females, in particular Jewish females as we found out!

As I've said, in my, limited, experience he tends to be quite stinging to everyone. Not just women.

thomond2006 · 06-10-2017 02:32PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Although at least we don't employ Cam Newton! Talk about misogynist!

Drives me mad. He completely dismisses a serious female journalist while laughing off the idea that a female would ask football tactics, then the next day he gets praised for his apology. His apology was literally him saying he had made a bad "word choice"... as if there are better words to say what he said. What an ass. I hope the Bucs destroy the Panthers.

The same journalist had old tweets from 2012 dug up that painted her in her own bad light. While she shouldn't have said those things, there's something untoward when people will go that far back to attack credibility. Or perhaps the ends justify the means.

Cam is immature. His crybaby act after the Superbowl was evidence enough. It's good he and OBJ are on different teams.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2017 02:38PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

The same journalist had old tweets from 2012 dug up that painted her in her own bad light. While she shouldn't have said those things, there's something untoward when people will go that far back to attack credibility. Or perhaps the ends justify the means.

Cam is immature. His crybaby act after the Superbowl was evidence enough. It's good he and OBJ are on different teams.

She might be the worst person in the history of the world, I doubt I'll ever encounter her again. But Cam is someone who should learn and turn it around and lead by example, it doesn't seem he's learned anything at all.

ClanofLams · 06-10-2017 02:57PM

Buer wrote: »

That's an interesting consideration. Thornley has a long established relationship with OTB and is on it pretty much every week.

There is an element of cutting their noses off to spite their face.

To be honest I think their rugby coverage could do with some freshening up so it's not the worst thing in the world. It's been Thornley, Wood and more recently Cunmiskey for years, gone a bit stale.

Thornley is often on Second Captains too so there was no point listening to both.

Agree with your point more broadly though.

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