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Saorview Connect

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  • #812
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    PabloAndRoy wrote: »
    I agree that it is not a level playing field. No doubt about it. TV3 have no interest in Saorview* as I would imagine it does not provide a ROI that is meaningful to them.

    Perhaps I was misunderstanding what you meant by 2 channels without advertising.. I thought you meant the Jr & News Now. wrt the the children's channel lack of advertising I think this is down to a regulation/law actually. I have some vague recollection of this being enacted at some point in the past.

    I fully agree that a dedicated news channel would be a great asset and in fairness to RTÉ, they are very good at this sort of thing. RTÉ Radio One is a shining example of a quality radio station, well targeted and superbly executed. It really does shine, even if Marian Finucane is "a little over paid" for the amount of hours she does a week. Oh.. the big exception for me is bloody Tubs. I always turn over when he comes on in the morning. That show does not fit in with the channels overall image. Sorry for discussing radio in a TV forum, but poor old RTÉ get such a bashing in these forums, I thought I would point out that it is not all bad.

    * perhaps a successful Saorview COnnect service might push TV3 into taking the DTT venture seriously.

    TV3 will only take Saorview seriously when made to take them seriously, like 'on the steps of the court' seriously.


  • #813
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    PabloAndRoy wrote: »

    * perhaps a successful Saorview COnnect service might push TV3 into taking the DTT venture seriously.

    Quite the opposite I would think.

    Since TV3 is now owned by Virgin Media, anything that makes Saorview more attractive could drive people away from their pay-TV platform.

    So realistically, I think Saorview Connect is going to resemble a combination of RTE Player and Tg4 Player, with the addition of a remote record feature.


  • #814
    Hibrasil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Hibrasil


    Hibrasil wrote: »
    122 days left for Saorview Connect to become a reality in 2017. Not holding my breath at this stage!!!

    Now in double rather that triple digits - only 98 days left for Saorview Connect to become a reality in 2017.


  • #815
    lsjmhar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭lsjmhar


    I see humaxfreeview box in my local Tesco. Wondering if this is going to be the connect option. My understanding is the freeview and freesat boxes are different on humax site.


  • #816
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    lsjmhar wrote: »
    I see humaxfreeview box in my local Tesco. Wondering if this is going to be the connect option. My understanding is the freeview and freesat boxes are different on humax site.

    No it's not keep away from them


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  • #817
    lsjmhar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭lsjmhar


    I assume it will b the humax hdr 1100s then. This will just be a saorview box. If it does.not include full uk freesat channels.with 7 day epg and all the rest, then the box is pointless. Just use a good.enigma2 box.


  • #818
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    lsjmhar wrote: »
    I assume it will b the humax hdr 1100s then. This will just be a saorview box. If it does.not include full uk freesat channels.with 7 day epg and all the rest, then the box is pointless. Just use a good.enigma2 box.

    They have both the version with and without a 500gb hard drive version of the box in tesco in limerick and there not cheap either...


  • #819
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    RTE One are showing a documentary on the Vietnam War starting tonight 23:35

    For those without Saorview Connect you can series link it on Freesat BBC 4 from 21:00


  • #820
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Hibrasil wrote: »
    Now in double rather that triple digits - only 98 days left for Saorview Connect to become a reality in 2017.

    Forget about it. It will be 3 years in November, since it was first announced in the Sunday Times.


  • #821
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    I doubt anything worthwhile will be available before Christmas. I'm sure we would have heard rumblings out of IBC 2017 which took place earlier this month. At the very best, a vestel box to keep RTE happy.

    Freesat only announced the request for proposals from box manufacturers for the next generation of freesat boxes at the start of the month. This is probably the game changer as its an open technical specification for an alliance of the 4 big european operators which will have grabbed the manufacturers attention. But such a product is far away, likely to be end 2018.


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  • #822
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    STB. wrote: »
    I doubt anything worthwhile will be available before Christmas. I'm sure we would have heard rumblings out of IBC 2017 which took place earlier this month. At the very best, a vestel box to keep RTE happy.

    Well we know the new Connect box is out there on trial, with its new remote control, so what's the delay going to market? Content maybe? TV3 not happy about something?


  • #823
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭dubrov


    I don't know why Rte are getting involved in the hardware anyway.

    They could make all of this available via iptv. There are plenty of generic receivers/apps that could then use it


  • #824
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    dubrov wrote: »
    I don't know why Rte are getting involved in the hardware anyway.

    They could make all of this available via iptv. There are plenty of generic receivers/apps that could then use it

    RTÉ are involved in the hardware because they are the company licensed to manage the DTT network here and as such are responsible for the receiver specification used to receive the services carried by the network.

    Like other DTT networks around Europe, with the increasing availability of high speed broadband to viewers, the broadcasting industry has developed a hybrid solution to combine both broadcast and broadband services in a single receiver specification, HbbTV. Other providers will do an IPTV only solution but for DTT networks HbbTV is the chosen solution.


  • #825
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭dubrov


    RTE can define the specification without getting building the hardware.
    I mean they don't build TVs for Analog TV.
    RTE defined the standard (which I assume was adopted from elsewhere) and manufacturers built TVs to meet the required spec.

    RTE should just adopt a generic IPTV standard and implement geo-blocking to satisfy the rights holders.


  • #826
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    dubrov wrote: »
    RTE can define the specification without getting building the hardware..

    They are not building the hardware, no one said they were.

    They have outsourced the development and management of Saorview Connect to Freesat, who in turn have contracted a STB manufacturer, Manhattan according to information posted, to build the boxes.

    From the information posted recently there is now a live trial underway with the hardware but little details available due to an NDA.


  • #827
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    dubrov wrote: »
    RTE can define the specification without getting building the hardware.
    I mean they don't build TVs for Analog TV.
    RTE defined the standard (which I assume was adopted from elsewhere) and manufacturers built TVs to meet the required spec.

    RTE should just adopt a generic IPTV standard and implement geo-blocking to satisfy the rights holders.

    But then we would all buy big monitors with/and speakers and not pay for the licence..


  • #828
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭dubrov


    The legislation can easily be updated to include steaming.
    They could then issue usernames/passwords linked to a TV licence
    No pay, no access.


  • #829
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    dubrov wrote: »
    The legislation can easily be updated to include steaming.
    They could then issue usernames/passwords linked to a TV licence
    No pay, no access.

    No, it can't.

    If you don't believe me, read this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Media_convergence
    and then this
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/analysis-broadcasting-charge-finally-shelved-after-five-years-1.2675979


  • #830
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Do IPTV receivers not require a licence already anyway?

    If they don't, the government will have to do something as it will take over in a few years.
    Personally, I think it should be funded out of central taxation.


  • #831
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    PabloAndRoy wrote: »
    But then we would all buy big monitors with/and speakers and not pay for the licence..

    Might be partly what held up release of Saorview Connect ...

    If RTÉ intend to have their output streaming on line then that might provide sufficient impetus to change the licence to an all household licence.


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  • #832
    donegal.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭donegal.


    The Cush wrote: »
    They are not building the hardware, no one said they were.

    They have outsourced the development and management of Saorview Connect to Freesat, who in turn have contracted a STB manufacturer, Manhattan according to information posted, to build the boxes.

    From the information posted recently there is now a live trial underway with the hardware but little details available due to an NDA.

    I thought Manhatten pulled out of it?


  • #833
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    donegal. wrote: »
    I thought Manhatten pulled out of it?

    Source?


  • #834
    donegal.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭donegal.


    The Cush wrote: »
    Source?

    Im not sure where i heard it first , maybe of the lads in powerplus (they supply some manhattan stuff)


  • #835
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    dubrov wrote: »
    The legislation can easily be updated to include steaming.
    They could then issue usernames/passwords linked to a TV licence
    No pay, no access.
    RTE could do what the BBC are doing , requiring a logon to watch streams and verifying the account is associated with a TV licence
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/iplayer-login-tv-licence-fee-dodging/

    You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch or download BBC programmes on iPlayer – live, catch-up or on-demand – on any device


  • #836
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    donegal. wrote: »
    Im not sure where i heard it first , maybe of the lads in powerplus (they supply some manhattan stuff)
    That is a pity.

    I see they're no longer supplying any Freesat boxes either, which might be part of the reason? Only Humax is listed on the Freesat website for STB's.

    It may partially explain the long delay, though still not sure why Saorview are holding back with their rather unnecessary NDA.


  • #837
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    RTE could do what the BBC are doing , requiring a logon to watch streams and verifying the account is associated with a TV licence
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/iplayer-login-tv-licence-fee-dodging/

    You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch or download BBC programmes on iPlayer – live, catch-up or on-demand – on any device


    This is not implemented yet. Expect a huge backlash when/if this is implemented as it is logically very difficult and the BBC are likely to run into legal problems by demanding licence holders to associate that licence with an email address. That is not part of the current legal framework. The BBC know this and this is holding the whole thing up.

    A few years back there was uproar when they changed their metadata format which restricted open source players from accessing the media easily. That time they rolled back and that's related to the fact that unofficial clients (e.g. on Kodi) are not illegal and are allowed to exist in the official Kodi repositories. These players use geo restrictions to ensure that the media cannot be accessed outside the UK. Compare that to what happened last year when there was a geo restricted unofficial version of rte player for Kodi. Rte sent crease and desist messages to that developer and that add on no longer exists sadly.


  • #838
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    PabloAndRoy wrote: »
    ..... Rte sent crease and desist messages to that developer and that add on no longer exists sadly.
    So it folded you could say. :D
    Sorry couldn't resist:)


  • #839
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    So it folded you could say. :D
    Sorry couldn't resist:)

    God damned auto correct... GRRRRR!

    This conversation is not directly related to the thread but the point is that it's easy to say stuff like "RTE could easily do X"... The reality is that X sometimes raises legal issues/barriers that are very often more difficult to overcome than the technical challenges, which are are often trivial and already solved.


  • #840
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    The Cush wrote: »
    From the information posted recently there is now a live trial underway with the hardware but little details available due to an NDA.

    So anyone got one on test ?

    Bet ya Tony has one. One Thanks for yes. No Thanks for No. :)


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  • #841
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    STB. wrote: »
    So anyone got one on test ?

    Don't know about Tony but Maysa07 posted about the "On Demand button" on the remote control for TV players and apps and referred to trials in another post

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104667769#post104667769
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104683614#post104683614

    byte confirmed the on-demand button on the r/c - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104681092#post104681092
    Tony confirmed there is an NDA - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104686973#post104686973


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