GAA Special Congress (Sep 30th)

PTH2009 · 05-09-2017 1:18pm #1

http://www.gaa.ie/news/motions-for-gaa-special-congress/

KevIRL · 05-09-2017 1:23pm

No change to the current system please.

PTH2009 · 05-09-2017 1:37pm

KevIRL wrote: »

No change to the current system please.

I'd love a change and there be more games but I'm not a huge fan of the round robin series as it's flawed a bit. In Leinster Galway, Wexford, Kilkenny and Dublin are all guaranteed 2 points when they face Offaly but in Munster it's ultra competitive and anyone can anyone on any given day.

I like this motions

Motion 3 - Tiobraid Árann

(1) It confines participation in the Liam MacCarthy Cup to five teams in Munster and five teams in Leinster.

(2) It differs from the Central Council Motion in that it proposes that the Munster and Leinster Championships be organised on a knock-out/losers group basis.

(3) Venues – Up to Semi-Finals – Home/Away.

Semi-Finals/Final – Neutral unless agreement between the counties.

(4) In the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals it provides for the defeated semi-finalists in each province to play-off, with the winners to meet the two defeated provincial finalists on a cross -provincial basis

(5) It concurs with the Central Council Motion regarding Tiers 2, 3, 4 and 5.

(6) Relegation/Promotion from Liam MacCarthy Cup: The Tier 2 winners will contest a play-off to determine relegation/promotion.

Motion 4 - Áth Cliath

It proposes no change to the current Provincial Championships System.

It amends the All-Ireland Qualifier Series to allow the four winners from Round One to progress to the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals i.e. no Round 2.

It proposes to increase the number of All-Ireland Quarter-Finals from two to four with the Provincial champions and runners up in both Leinster and Munster each respectively playing against one of the four winners of the All-Ireland Qualifier.

No other change to current Rule is proposed.

Motion 5 - Corcaigh

Liam MacCarthy Cup

(1) It proposes retaining the counties participating in the Provincial Championships as in current Rule.

(2) In the All-Ireland Qualifier Series it proposes retaining the current provisions except that there be no Round 2 and that four winners progress to All-Ireland Quarter-Finals.

(3) The principal proposed change is to run the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals on a similar basis to the new All-Ireland Football Quarter-Finals.

The All-Ireland Quarter-Finals to be organised on a ‘Round-Robin’ basis of two groups of four teams with each team in a group playing the other team once.

The teams participating to be the Provincial Champions and Runners-Up of the Munster and Leinster Championships and the four winning teams from the All-Ireland Qualifier Series.

Venues – To be determined by C.C.C.C.

All Ireland Senior Championship Tiers 2, 3 and 4

(4) Christy Ring Cup winners play in a preliminary quarter-final in the Liam MacCarthy Cup.

(5) Relegation/Promotion in relation to Liam MacCarthy Cup is to and from Leinster only.

(6) It proposes retaining the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups as Tiers 2, 3 and 4, with the participants being as provided for in current Rule.

(7) It concurs with the Central Council Motion that the three competitions be organised on a ‘Round-Robin’ basis.

05-09-2017 1:55pm

Great motion by Dublin.

Make basically no changes... sure let the football championship grow and leave hurling fans and players with 2-4 games.

Idiots.

puzl · 05-09-2017 2:07pm

Some very good ideas here, but also some daft ideas... Motion 4 is probably the best of the bunch.

PTH2009 · 05-09-2017 2:12pm

I'd choose motion 5

nice_guy80 · 05-09-2017 11:01pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd choose motion 5

same as

could see the likes of Laois or Westmeath actually getting into that last 8

still don't like the idea of any super 8, in football or hurling

Bonniedog · 06-09-2017 12:34am

Tipp motion is most realistic. Recognises the reality.

Our own - DCB - motion I fail to understand, to be honest.

Django99 · 06-09-2017 1:28am

Why would Offaly be allowed to compete in the Liam McCarthy ahead of Laois, Kerry, Westmeath etc.? No evidence to suggest they are above their level.

Why abandon the ability for what will be Tier 2 counties to qualify to compete in the Liam McCarthy in the same year? This idea was brought in only a few years ago, were they expecting them to win All Irelands by now and are now saying it's a failed experiment?

While the structure for the top teams is important for spectators and players, the structure that Laois, Antrim, Offaly etc play in is the most important factor for the development of the game and having more teams competing at the top level.

These new proposals would be a backward step in trying to develop these counties into being able to compete with the top counties.

Of course, the development at underage level is even more important for these counties, but their current players also need to progress. Any possibility of doing so is severely hindered by these proposals.

Kerrydude1981 · 06-09-2017 9:35am

If that proposed championship got the go ahead,would counties object to been relegated to the tier two championship,

Wasnt there something a few years ago,I think it was Wexford played a game and loser was supposed to be relegated but neither team went down,that might have been in the league though

blue note · 06-09-2017 10:06am

How long is it going to take to just abandon the provincial championships? Since the back door came in fully in 2002, 7 Leinster teams have made it through to the semi final stage through it, compared to 24 from Munster. Yet both provinces get the same rewards. It's as clear as day that the provincial championships are lopsided, but we're not allowed to treat them differently for some reason.

An open championship would be better for 2 reasons - it would be fairer and teams would get to play each other more. It's crazy when there are so few counties at the top level how rarely some of them have met.

Bonniedog · 06-09-2017 12:51pm

Best option would actually be to leave it as it is, on consideration. Yes, it is true that round robins etc only postpone the inevitable but they allow for meaningful championship participation for the counties involved.

Anyway, we are always obsessed with trying to reinvent the wheel! that's not going to change ever in GAA.

LeinsterDub · 06-09-2017 1:09pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

same as

could see the likes of Laois or Westmeath actually getting into that last 8

still don't like the idea of any super 8, in football or hurling

Honestly what's the point? They aren't good enough

Django99 · 06-09-2017 8:49pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Honestly what's the point? They aren't good enough

The point is that they are counties that take hurling seriously and deserve an opportunity to improve.

LeinsterDub · 06-09-2017 8:53pm

Django99 wrote: »

The point is that they are counties that take hurling seriously and deserve an opportunity to improve.

Yes by being promoted into the Leinster or Munster championship and qualifying for the quarter final that way. A once a season token game will do nothing for them

Prop Joe · 06-09-2017 9:14pm

Below is the most simple and sensible solution

NHL Div 1
A - 5 Teams - 2 Relegated
B - 5 Teams - 2 Promoted - 2 Relegated
C - 6 Teams - 2 Promoted - Relegation Optional

Div 1 consists of 6 rounds - Including two wild card rounds

NHL Div 2
8 - Teams - 7 Games - (3 home,3 away and one as a curtain raiser to a Div1 game)
Promotion Optional for Winner / Relegation Optional

NHL Div 3
8 - Teams - 7 Games - (3 home,3 away and one as a curtain raiser to a Div1 game)
Promotion Optional for Winner

Munster & Leinster Championship

Group of 5
Each team plays two games with the top 4 qualilfying for semi finals (Top two home advantage)

Christy Ring Cup

Group of 6 (Developing Counties)
Each team plays three games with the top 4 qualilfying for semi finals (Top two home advantage) - Final played as Curtain Raiser to Leinster Final in Croke Park

All Ireland Series

16 Div 1 teams in seeded double elimination tournament
(Provencial winners kept opposition side of draw with home advantage guaranteed for first two games)

Nicky Rackard

8 Division 2 teams
2 groups of 4 with top team advancing to semi finals
Second & Third place play off in QF's
(QF's & Semi finals should be played as curtin raisers to tier 1 games where possible)
Final played as Curtin Raiser to All Ireland Semi final 1

Lory Meagher Cup

8 Division 3 teams
2 groups of 4 with top team advancing to semi finals
Second & Third place play off in QF's
(QF's & Semi finals should be played as curtin raisers to tier 1 games where possible)
Final played as Curtin Raiser to All Ireland Semi final 2

Minor Competitions
Should follow the same format as Senior tiers with all minor games played as curtin raisers when possible

Django99 · 06-09-2017 10:36pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yes by being promoted into the Leinster or Munster championship and qualifying for the quarter final that way. A once a season token game will do nothing for them

It would do more than having one of those teams (Offaly) start off in the competition and have a straight one up one down promotion system. In that case, the only outcome we would likely see is the teams replacing each other every year.

At least in a system then that allows them games amongst each other, as well as allowing them games against better opposition can allow them to aim for something more than simply promotion.

Kerrydude1981 · 07-09-2017 9:14am

From a Kerry hurling supporters point of view its been great that we have had championship games against teams around our own level and both seasons the round robin has been competitive,like this season all the teams had a chance of qualifying going into the last round

Leave the championship the way it is.

paul0103 · 08-09-2017 9:47am

As is almost always the case with proposals for structural change, the reaction from past players, managers etc seems to be quite knee jerk, and ill-informed. It seems that many of those reacting just read a headline.

Personally, I think the current format isn't too bad, but hurling really needs to do something to counteract the 'Super 8's'. So if change was to happen (and it probably should), I really can't see anything wrong with Motion 2, from the CCCC, combined with the joint motion from Meath/Laois/Offaly as an addition to this. Ok, it means potentially one less game for the top 2 teams that currently qualify from the provincial qualifier group, but it does give them a realistic chance (especially Laois) of playing in the All Ireland quarter finals.

It is frustrating to see the reaction in recent days, as it is only based on one of the proposals. Of course this is all that gets reported instead of a journalist somewhere explaining exactly what the championship might look like for each of the proposals (maybe I missed this somewhere?). It's very hard for change to happen if people never read beyond the headlines.

nice_guy80 · 08-09-2017 4:35pm

paul0103 wrote: »

As is almost always the case with proposals for structural change, the reaction from past players, managers etc seems to be quite knee jerk, and ill-informed. It seems that many of those reacting just read a headline.

Personally, I think the current format isn't too bad, but hurling really needs to do something to counteract the 'Super 8's'. So if change was to happen (and it probably should), I really can't see anything wrong with Motion 2, from the CCCC, combined with the joint motion from Meath/Laois/Offaly as an addition to this. Ok, it means potentially one less game for the top 2 teams that currently qualify from the provincial qualifier group, but it does give them a realistic chance (especially Laois) of playing in the All Ireland quarter finals.

It is frustrating to see the reaction in recent days, as it is only based on one of the proposals. Of course this is all that gets reported instead of a journalist somewhere explaining exactly what the championship might look like for each of the proposals (maybe I missed this somewhere?). It's very hard for change to happen if people never read beyond the headlines.

the hurling games just show how poor the football championship has been

that will stand out even more with the Super 8s

PTH2009 · 08-09-2017 4:47pm

paul0103 wrote: »

As is almost always the case with proposals for structural change, the reaction from past players, managers etc seems to be quite knee jerk, and ill-informed. It seems that many of those reacting just read a headline.

Personally, I think the current format isn't too bad, but hurling really needs to do something to counteract the 'Super 8's'. So if change was to happen (and it probably should), I really can't see anything wrong with Motion 2, from the CCCC, combined with the joint motion from Meath/Laois/Offaly as an addition to this. Ok, it means potentially one less game for the top 2 teams that currently qualify from the provincial qualifier group, but it does give them a realistic chance (especially Laois) of playing in the All Ireland quarter finals.

It is frustrating to see the reaction in recent days, as it is only based on one of the proposals. Of course this is all that gets reported instead of a journalist somewhere explaining exactly what the championship might look like for each of the proposals (maybe I missed this somewhere?). It's very hard for change to happen if people never read beyond the headlines.

If motion 2 comes in (and I sadly think it will) than its not really much of an All Ireland Championship as 4 teams will be eliminated without playing a team outside of there province. Munster is going to be a nightmare with 2 big teams going out by potentially the end of May/early June and Leinster only losing 1 big team (Offaly will be the weakest team by far a will surly be 1 of 2 Leinster teams to be eliminated early)

iDave · 08-09-2017 5:08pm

Slap on the face to those of us in Meath Westmeath Carlow Kerry etc. Sure why bother growing the game.

Kerrydude1981 · 08-09-2017 5:25pm

iDave wrote: »

Slap on the face to those of us in Meath Westmeath Carlow Kerry etc. Sure why bother growing the game.

Spot on,the Super 8's in the football have struck this fear into the hurling world,everything must change apparently

paul0103 · 11-09-2017 12:08pm

iDave wrote: »

Slap on the face to those of us in Meath Westmeath Carlow Kerry etc. Sure why bother growing the game.

I don't really get why you think that? If the changes mean there is still a provincial qualifying group (with the bonus of Meath avoiding relegation!) with a route for the top two teams in the group into the All Ireland series how is that different from what we have now? The new structure will also have automatic promotion for the top team, which is even better than having to beat a team that wasn't in the group to gain promotion, which is the case at the minute.

I don't believe any of the teams in the qualifying group have a 'right' to be included in the Top 10. When is the last time any of Laois, Offaly, Westmeath, Kerry, Meath, Carlow, Antrim, London beat a team outside of that list?

Now, the GAA's attitude towards counties in the qualifying group (and all of the lower tires) is something I would take issue with. Proper marketing and TV coverage, along with meaningful time and investment from the GAA at underage in these counties would do a lot more to help grow the game.

puzl · 11-09-2017 1:52pm

Football seasons have been poor recently, and I think the super 8s will amplify the problem. There'll be few people rushing home of a weekend to catch all the super 8 action on tv and many might just tune out until we get to the business end of the season.

PTH2009 · 28-09-2017 12:50am

Takes place on Saturday (are they doing the live youtube stream???)

Main proposals here- http://www.the42.ie/special-congress-hurling-motions-3618534-Sep2017/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

I'd like if the following was voted in

All Ireland Under 21 structure-The CCCC/Ard Chomhairle (Motion 9) proposes that Galway and any suitable Ulster teams (as agreed by Ulster & Leinster Councils) participate in Leinster. And the winners of Munster and Leinster shall play in the All-Ireland Final

'Dublin (Motion 4) proposes no change to the provincial championships, but increases the All-Ireland quarter-finals to four games. It proposes the provincial champions and runners-up in Leinster and Munster meet one of four winners from Round 1 of the All-Ireland qualifiers.

Cork (Motion 5) proposes the same as the Dublin motion (above), but instead of four quarter-finals it proposes bringing in the ‘Super 8s’ similar to football'

I'd vote for Corks Motion and would love a super 8 hurling but theres a danger of one of the big counties being paired together in Round 1 of the qualifers and they will miss out on the super 8s. Imagine Someone like Kilkenny, Dublin, Cork or Waterford losing in Round 1 missing out on the super 8 and someone like Offaly there??

munchkin_utd · 28-09-2017 9:42am

also worth noting, its the first congress where 60% is the pass limit, down from 66%

With so many conflicting ideas and opinions and not even the big hurling counties agreeing with each other (and the 2nd tier counties will be protesting against everything), I can't see any change in the hurling getting through with the required majority so in the end it could well be a bit of a non event.

Hammer Archer · 28-09-2017 11:05am

So has it already been decided that Antrim will be in the Liam McCarthy regardless? Hope not.

Mehapoy · 28-09-2017 11:20am

Yes the most certain thing is no proposal will get the majority and we'll have the status quo with long gaps between games to try to fill 4 months with 6-7 games until football takes over July and august totally, by which time they might be able to agree something. Its the gaa way isn't it...

PTH2009 · 28-09-2017 3:55pm

I want more intercounty hurling games and not less. All these chairman's coming out saying they don't want it changed cause of club fixtures etc and hurling is going to suffer cause the football is getting what 8 extra championship games and hurling championship will only have a small number of games compared too the football if it's not changed

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 12:07pm

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0930/908696-gaa-special-congress-tracker/

Live tracker of today's events

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 1:16pm

153 votes were cast. The results are as follows Motion number 2 received 90 votes, Motion 3 received 5 votes, Motion 4 received 32 votes, and Motion 5 received 26 votes.

So Motion 2 will be the motion that is live before Special Congress and will go to the floor.

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 1:23pm

So we have a new structure

With Motion 2 carried, the All-Ireland Hurling Championship will be restructured on a three-year trial basis.

The Liam MacCarthy Cup will be reduced to 10 teams, and play the five-team Munster and Leinster championships on a round-robin basis. The top two teams in each provincial group would face-off in the provincial final, while the third placed teams advance to the All-Ireland quarter-finals.

The bottom two teams in either group play-off would reach the quarter-finals. The quarter-final winners play the provincial champions in the All-Ireland semi-finals.

62 per cent have voted yes, 38 per cent have voted no. The motion is carried!

HurlingRanker · 30-09-2017 1:23pm

The Laois / Offaly / Meath motion passes, therefore two lambs will be sent for a pointless slaughter at the hands of the two third placed Munster/Leinster teams.

No disrespect to those counties, but the top two tier two teams will never win those games.

KevIRL · 30-09-2017 1:25pm

New format for next year. Round robin in the provincial championships with top 3 from both provinces progressing to all Ireland series.

Means Galway KK and Wexford will make all Ireland series with little to no opposition while the Munster teams go at it hammer and tongs. Crazy imbalance

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 1:27pm

**** me the Munster Championship is going to be a nightmare, all 5 teams can beat each other on any given day. Leinster have Offaly as the lamb to slaughter and it's really just a battle of a top 3 finish between Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin

So Walsh Park and Cusack Park in Ennis will be hosting championship games ???

HurlingRanker · 30-09-2017 1:28pm

And Kerry have now been shafted with the rejection of Cork's motion.

Kerry are now the only county in the country not entitled to automatic promotion should they win tier 2. Ridiculous.

Edit; or am I mistaken? Original proposal was Kerry had to beat the 5th placed Munster team in a play-off to earn promotion while every other county gains automatic promotion to Leinster, is this still the case?

Second edit; Yeah, I'm wrong. Kerry have automatic promotion to Munster at the expense of one of the big 5 Munster counties.

However, that in itself poses problems. A strong Munster county dropping down to tier 2 while a weaker Leinster side who finishes 5th (Laois or Offaly for example) retains McCarthy Cup status. Hmmm....

KevIRL · 30-09-2017 1:29pm

Only 62%. On the old system requiring 66% it would have been defeated

tomwaterford · 30-09-2017 1:33pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

**** me the Munster Championship is going to be a nightmare, all 5 teams can beat each other on any given day. Leinster have Offaly as the lamb to slaughter and it's really just a battle of a top 3 finish between Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin

So Walsh Park and Cusack Park in Ennis will be hosting championship games ???

It's a fcuking joke and nothing but a money grab by cork as they need to pay for the stadium

Who has the money/time to be attending all these matches,all it deos is give stronger counties (of which I'd rate waterford one) a chance to perfect their teams/structure

And I don't see how it benefits the promotion of the game,all it'll do is cause saturation of poor quality lop sided games and people will rightly lose interest and it'll be battling sky sports etc for tv attendances after 2 years

HurlingRanker · 30-09-2017 1:38pm

Too many flaws.

First of all, I'll take off my Munster tinted glasses, the provincial championships need to be disbanded as part of the main championship. Two seeded pools of 5 and this works 10 times better.

Two first placed teams into semis, 2nd plays 3rd in other group in the two quarter finals.

Two fifth placed teams play in a relegation final. Loser down.

Tier two champions automatically promoted.

Don't give two token games to the top two tier two teams. Winning that competition and earning promotion is plenty of reward and incentive rather than playing a stronger established McCarthy Cup side in a knock out game with an inevitable defeat; only question being will it be a respectable defeat or a hammering.

Change is welcome and needed, but the insistence on retaining the provincial championships is making something that should be so simple needlessly complicated.

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 1:40pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's a fcuking joke and nothing but a money grab by cork as they need to pay for the stadium

Who has the money/time to be attending all these matches,all it deos is give stronger counties (of which I'd rate waterford one) a chance to perfect their teams/structure

And I don't see how it benefits the promotion of the game,all it'll do is cause saturation of poor quality lop sided games and people will rightly lose interest and it'll be battling sky sports etc for tv attendances after 2 years

Munster is going to be ultra competitve where Leisnter is a bit of a joke as it all depends on if Dublin or Wexford are competitive (Offaly being there is a farce)

RIP the League

caddy16 · 30-09-2017 2:22pm

KevIRL wrote: »

New format for next year. Round robin in the provincial championships with top 3 from both provinces progressing to all Ireland series.

Means Galway KK and Wexford will make all Ireland series with little to no opposition while the Munster teams go at it hammer and tongs. Crazy imbalance

Ah Dublin..........

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 3:41pm

'Minor reform - second chance for Tribesmen

The All-Ireland Minor Hurling Championship has been restructured.

Ulster counties, as agreed by the Leinster and Ulster councils, will play in the Leinster Minor Championship.

The losers of the Munster and Leinster championships will go into a round robin group with Galway, with the top two teams progressing to face the provincial championships in the All-Ireland semi-finals. This means Galway minors have a second chance, should they need it, for the first time.'

iDave · 30-09-2017 4:27pm

HurlingRanker wrote: »

And Kerry have now been shafted with the rejection of Cork's motion.

Kerry are now the only county in the country not entitled to automatic promotion should they win tier 2. Ridiculous.

Edit; or am I mistaken? Original proposal was Kerry had to beat the 5th placed Munster team in a play-off to earn promotion while every other county gains automatic promotion to Leinster, is this still the case?

Second edit; Yeah, I'm wrong. Kerry have automatic promotion to Munster at the expense of one of the big 5 Munster counties.

However, that in itself poses problems. A strong Munster county dropping down to tier 2 while a weaker Leinster side who finishes 5th (Laois or Offaly for example) retains McCarthy Cup status. Hmmm....

Would it not mean that Munster team have a very handy route to the QF the following year?

iDave · 30-09-2017 4:31pm

GAA saying AI SHC will be a 10 team tournament but that's not true as T2 round robin links to AI QF. Dont help themselves with how they brand things.

Do I have it right the QF is 3rd in Mun and Lein v top 2 in T2 or have I missed something?

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 4:34pm

iDave wrote: »

GAA saying AI SHC will be a 10 team tournament but that's not true as T2 round robin links to AI QF. Dont help themselves with how they brand things.

Do I have it right the QF is 3rd in Mun and Lein v top 2 in T2 or have I missed something?

no thats the All Ireland Premlimary Round the 2 winners progress to the AI QFs

AI QFS= Leinster/Munster Runners up vs 2x Prem Round winners

zetecescort · 30-09-2017 5:07pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's a fcuking joke and nothing but a money grab by cork as they need to pay for the stadium

Who has the money/time to be attending all these matches,all it deos is give stronger counties (of which I'd rate waterford one) a chance to perfect their teams/structure

And I don't see how it benefits the promotion of the game,all it'll do is cause saturation of poor quality lop sided games and people will rightly lose interest and it'll be battling sky sports etc for tv attendances after 2 years

Money grab by Cork? Cork actually wanted the current format to remain. Extra inter county games screwing any dual county now with very little free weekends for club games

tomwaterford · 30-09-2017 5:45pm

zetecescort wrote: »

Money grab by Cork? Cork actually wanted the current format to remain. Extra inter county games screwing any dual county now with very little free weekends for club games

Was under impression it was cork what pushed this :O

But still think the same top 2/3 team of kk and tipp and probably cork with the biggest pick of players will consistently rise to the top/final....just well have more bad and lopsided games every year

PTH2009 · 30-09-2017 5:49pm

http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/jslattery/special-congress-changes/

donnem33 · 30-09-2017 6:39pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Minor reform - second chance for Tribesmen

The All-Ireland Minor Hurling Championship has been restructured.

Ulster counties, as agreed by the Leinster and Ulster councils, will play in the Leinster Minor Championship.

The losers of the Munster and Leinster championships will go into a round robin group with Galway, with the top two teams progressing to face the provincial championships in the All-Ireland semi-finals. This means Galway minors have a second chance, should they need it, for the first time.'

I cannot get my head around this. With a motion passed for Galway and an Ulster team allowed enter the u21 championship, why can't the minors join too!! I know they are guaranteed 1 extra game, but the problem with the current format still remains - they will be playing teams that have already played at least 2 games already. Why not even out the competition and have them competing in Leinster or better yet, scrap the provincial and have an open draw. Realistically that is where the senior competition is heading anyway in a few years time!!

0byme75341jo28 · 30-09-2017 7:01pm

I'm seriously confused and have looked at several articles and they're all contradicting each other..

Are there 8 teams in the QFs now? Do the 4th and 5th place teams in each province play off for a QF place or are they just both out of the championship? From balls.ie, the42.ie and gaa.ie I can't find a conclusive answer. Can anyone enlighten me?

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