GAA Special Congress (Sep 30th)

PTH2009

153 votes were cast. The results are as follows Motion number 2 received 90 votes, Motion 3 received 5 votes, Motion 4 received 32 votes, and Motion 5 received 26 votes.

So Motion 2 will be the motion that is live before Special Congress and will go to the floor.

PTH2009

So we have a new structure

With Motion 2 carried, the All-Ireland Hurling Championship will be restructured on a three-year trial basis.

The Liam MacCarthy Cup will be reduced to 10 teams, and play the five-team Munster and Leinster championships on a round-robin basis. The top two teams in each provincial group would face-off in the provincial final, while the third placed teams advance to the All-Ireland quarter-finals.

The bottom two teams in either group play-off would reach the quarter-finals. The quarter-final winners play the provincial champions in the All-Ireland semi-finals.

62 per cent have voted yes, 38 per cent have voted no. The motion is carried!

HurlingRanker

The Laois / Offaly / Meath motion passes, therefore two lambs will be sent for a pointless slaughter at the hands of the two third placed Munster/Leinster teams.

No disrespect to those counties, but the top two tier two teams will never win those games.

KevIRL

New format for next year. Round robin in the provincial championships with top 3 from both provinces progressing to all Ireland series.

Means Galway KK and Wexford will make all Ireland series with little to no opposition while the Munster teams go at it hammer and tongs. Crazy imbalance

PTH2009

**** me the Munster Championship is going to be a nightmare, all 5 teams can beat each other on any given day. Leinster have Offaly as the lamb to slaughter and it's really just a battle of a top 3 finish between Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin

So Walsh Park and Cusack Park in Ennis will be hosting championship games ???

HurlingRanker

And Kerry have now been shafted with the rejection of Cork's motion.

Kerry are now the only county in the country not entitled to automatic promotion should they win tier 2. Ridiculous.

Edit; or am I mistaken? Original proposal was Kerry had to beat the 5th placed Munster team in a play-off to earn promotion while every other county gains automatic promotion to Leinster, is this still the case?

Second edit; Yeah, I'm wrong. Kerry have automatic promotion to Munster at the expense of one of the big 5 Munster counties.

However, that in itself poses problems. A strong Munster county dropping down to tier 2 while a weaker Leinster side who finishes 5th (Laois or Offaly for example) retains McCarthy Cup status. Hmmm....

KevIRL

Only 62%. On the old system requiring 66% it would have been defeated

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

**** me the Munster Championship is going to be a nightmare, all 5 teams can beat each other on any given day. Leinster have Offaly as the lamb to slaughter and it's really just a battle of a top 3 finish between Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin

So Walsh Park and Cusack Park in Ennis will be hosting championship games ???

It's a fcuking joke and nothing but a money grab by cork as they need to pay for the stadium

Who has the money/time to be attending all these matches,all it deos is give stronger counties (of which I'd rate waterford one) a chance to perfect their teams/structure

And I don't see how it benefits the promotion of the game,all it'll do is cause saturation of poor quality lop sided games and people will rightly lose interest and it'll be battling sky sports etc for tv attendances after 2 years

HurlingRanker

Too many flaws.

First of all, I'll take off my Munster tinted glasses, the provincial championships need to be disbanded as part of the main championship. Two seeded pools of 5 and this works 10 times better.

Two first placed teams into semis, 2nd plays 3rd in other group in the two quarter finals.

Two fifth placed teams play in a relegation final. Loser down.

Tier two champions automatically promoted.

Don't give two token games to the top two tier two teams. Winning that competition and earning promotion is plenty of reward and incentive rather than playing a stronger established McCarthy Cup side in a knock out game with an inevitable defeat; only question being will it be a respectable defeat or a hammering.

Change is welcome and needed, but the insistence on retaining the provincial championships is making something that should be so simple needlessly complicated.

PTH2009

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's a fcuking joke and nothing but a money grab by cork as they need to pay for the stadium

Who has the money/time to be attending all these matches,all it deos is give stronger counties (of which I'd rate waterford one) a chance to perfect their teams/structure

And I don't see how it benefits the promotion of the game,all it'll do is cause saturation of poor quality lop sided games and people will rightly lose interest and it'll be battling sky sports etc for tv attendances after 2 years

Munster is going to be ultra competitve where Leisnter is a bit of a joke as it all depends on if Dublin or Wexford are competitive (Offaly being there is a farce)

RIP the League

caddy16

KevIRL wrote: »

New format for next year. Round robin in the provincial championships with top 3 from both provinces progressing to all Ireland series.

Means Galway KK and Wexford will make all Ireland series with little to no opposition while the Munster teams go at it hammer and tongs. Crazy imbalance

Ah Dublin..........

PTH2009

'Minor reform - second chance for Tribesmen

The All-Ireland Minor Hurling Championship has been restructured.

Ulster counties, as agreed by the Leinster and Ulster councils, will play in the Leinster Minor Championship.

The losers of the Munster and Leinster championships will go into a round robin group with Galway, with the top two teams progressing to face the provincial championships in the All-Ireland semi-finals. This means Galway minors have a second chance, should they need it, for the first time.'

iDave

HurlingRanker wrote: »

And Kerry have now been shafted with the rejection of Cork's motion.

Kerry are now the only county in the country not entitled to automatic promotion should they win tier 2. Ridiculous.

Edit; or am I mistaken? Original proposal was Kerry had to beat the 5th placed Munster team in a play-off to earn promotion while every other county gains automatic promotion to Leinster, is this still the case?

Second edit; Yeah, I'm wrong. Kerry have automatic promotion to Munster at the expense of one of the big 5 Munster counties.

However, that in itself poses problems. A strong Munster county dropping down to tier 2 while a weaker Leinster side who finishes 5th (Laois or Offaly for example) retains McCarthy Cup status. Hmmm....

Would it not mean that Munster team have a very handy route to the QF the following year?

iDave

GAA saying AI SHC will be a 10 team tournament but that's not true as T2 round robin links to AI QF. Dont help themselves with how they brand things.

Do I have it right the QF is 3rd in Mun and Lein v top 2 in T2 or have I missed something?

PTH2009

iDave wrote: »

GAA saying AI SHC will be a 10 team tournament but that's not true as T2 round robin links to AI QF. Dont help themselves with how they brand things.

Do I have it right the QF is 3rd in Mun and Lein v top 2 in T2 or have I missed something?

no thats the All Ireland Premlimary Round the 2 winners progress to the AI QFs

AI QFS= Leinster/Munster Runners up vs 2x Prem Round winners

zetecescort

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's a fcuking joke and nothing but a money grab by cork as they need to pay for the stadium

Who has the money/time to be attending all these matches,all it deos is give stronger counties (of which I'd rate waterford one) a chance to perfect their teams/structure

And I don't see how it benefits the promotion of the game,all it'll do is cause saturation of poor quality lop sided games and people will rightly lose interest and it'll be battling sky sports etc for tv attendances after 2 years

Money grab by Cork? Cork actually wanted the current format to remain. Extra inter county games screwing any dual county now with very little free weekends for club games

tomwaterford

zetecescort wrote: »

Money grab by Cork? Cork actually wanted the current format to remain. Extra inter county games screwing any dual county now with very little free weekends for club games

Was under impression it was cork what pushed this :O


But still think the same top 2/3 team of kk and tipp and probably cork with the biggest pick of players will consistently rise to the top/final....just well have more bad and lopsided games every year

PTH2009

http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/jslattery/special-congress-changes/

donnem33

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Minor reform - second chance for Tribesmen

The All-Ireland Minor Hurling Championship has been restructured.

Ulster counties, as agreed by the Leinster and Ulster councils, will play in the Leinster Minor Championship.

The losers of the Munster and Leinster championships will go into a round robin group with Galway, with the top two teams progressing to face the provincial championships in the All-Ireland semi-finals. This means Galway minors have a second chance, should they need it, for the first time.'

I cannot get my head around this. With a motion passed for Galway and an Ulster team allowed enter the u21 championship, why can't the minors join too!!  I know they are guaranteed 1 extra game, but the problem with the current format still remains - they will be playing teams that have already played at least 2 games already. Why not even out the competition and have them competing in Leinster or better yet, scrap the provincial and have an open draw. Realistically that is where the senior competition is heading anyway in a few years time!!

I'm seriously confused and have looked at several articles and they're all contradicting each other..

Are there 8 teams in the QFs now? Do the 4th and 5th place teams in each province play off for a QF place or are they just both out of the championship? From balls.ie, the42.ie and gaa.ie I can't find a conclusive answer. Can anyone enlighten me?

mickmackey1

Miracle Harsh Youngster wrote: »

I'm seriously confused and have looked at several articles and they're all contradicting each other..

Are there 8 teams in the QFs now? Do the 4th and 5th place teams in each province play off for a QF place or are they just both out of the championship? From balls.ie, the42.ie and gaa.ie I can't find a conclusive answer. Can anyone enlighten me?

There was a reasonably clear article on rte.ie which has now disappeared. It implied that yes, 4th and 5th are out of the c'ship and also contradicted a statement by a poster above that Kerry will automatically replace the 5th place Munster team (if winning tier2 obviously). So for now it's just a big....

rebel girl 15

munchkin_utd wrote: »

also worth noting, its the first congress where 60% is the pass limit, down from 66%

With so many conflicting ideas and opinions and not even the big hurling counties agreeing with each other (and the 2nd tier counties will be protesting against everything), I can't see any change in the hurling getting through with the required majority so in the end it could well be a bit of a non event.

How did that happen?? I presume it is because it is a special congress - normally there would be another meeting/congress to decide to drop the vote?

I'm going to wait until tomorrow and have a look at what the Sunday papers have on it - will be confusing

Happyilylost

donnem33 wrote:

I cannot get my head around this. With a motion passed for Galway and an Ulster team allowed enter the u21 championship, why can't the minors join too!! I know they are guaranteed 1 extra game, but the problem with the current format still remains - they will be playing teams that have already played at least 2 games already. Why not even out the competition and have them competing in Leinster or better yet, scrap the provincial and have an open draw. Realistically that is where the senior competition is heading anyway in a few years time!!

It's not what Galway wanted at all but it seems it was put to them when the motion was being put forward that it was the best Galway could get. Full inclusion in Leinster would of been voted down. Not much better than what they have currently.

ArmaniJeanss

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

How did that happen?? I presume it is because it is a special congress - normally there would be another meeting/congress to decide to drop the vote?

Previous congress, motion 36 reduced it from 66% to 60%
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/what-motions-were-passed-at-2017-congress-360040

Deiseen

http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/new-hurling-championship-format-between-2018-and-2020/

Prop Joe

Stinks of the GAA wanting more PPV games,Terrible decision...

I think the below format would of suited all counties

NHL Div 1
A - 5 Teams - 2 Relegated
B - 5 Teams - 2 Promoted - 2 Relegated
C - 6 Teams - 2 Promoted - Relegation Optional

Div 1 consists of 6 rounds - Including two wild card rounds

NHL Div 2
8 - Teams - 7 Games - (3 home,3 away and one as a curtain raiser to a Div1 game)
Promotion Optional for Winner / Relegation Optional


NHL Div 3
8 - Teams - 7 Games - (3 home,3 away and one as a curtain raiser to a Div1 game)
Promotion Optional for Winner


Munster & Leinster Championship

Group of 5
Each team plays two games with the top 4 qualilfying for semi finals (Top two home advantage)

Christy Ring Cup

Group of 6 (Developing Counties)
Each team plays three games with the top 4 qualilfying for semi finals (Top two home advantage) - Final played as Curtain Raiser to Leinster Final in Croke Park

All Ireland Series

16 Div 1 teams in seeded double elimination tournament
(Provencial winners kept opposition side of draw with home advantage guaranteed for first two games)


Nicky Rackard

8 Division 2 teams
2 groups of 4 with top team advancing to semi finals
Second & Third place play off in QF's
(QF's & Semi finals should be played as curtin raisers to tier 1 games where possible)
Final played as Curtin Raiser to All Ireland Semi final 1

Lory Meagher Cup

8 Division 3 teams
2 groups of 4 with top team advancing to semi finals
Second & Third place play off in QF's
(QF's & Semi finals should be played as curtin raisers to tier 1 games where possible)
Final played as Curtin Raiser to All Ireland Semi final 2

Minor Competitions
Should follow the same format as Senior tiers with all minor games played as curtin raisers when possible

zetecescort

extra games early summer with the hurling and possible extra games in the football "super 8", there won't be a club game played in Cork for months with dual players and dual clubs

today another step towards a rugby type setup, players having a club but only playing intercounty like rugby players having a club but only playing for their province

Kavrocks

Prop Joe wrote: »

Stinks of the GAA wanting more PPV games,Terrible decision...

Why does every decision that the non-profit organisation that is the GAA makes have something to do with money? Can the GAA never make a decision that they feel is the best for the game or the organisation in terms of promoting the game and ensuring we have an exciting championship?

Prop Joe wrote: »

I think the below format would of suited all counties

...

Div 1 consists of 6 rounds - Including two wild card rounds

And yet I think this idea of wildcard rounds is bonkers. You are never going to find a system that will please everybody. This is a trial for 3 years, let's see how it works before we all batter the hell out of it. The exact same happened with the mark but it seems to pretty much be a success.

Prop Joe

Kavrocks wrote: »

Why does every decision that the non-profit organisation that is the GAA makes have something to do with money? Can the GAA never make a decision that they feel is the best for the game or the organisation in terms of promoting the game and ensuring we have an exciting championship?

I just don't see how anyone is going to attend the majority of these games,I doubt any of them will break the 10k barrier in year 2..Just dilutes the competition.

On a separate note this does nothing for developing counties,Now people have different views on this but getting a Laois/Carlow/Antrim competitive would that be such a terrible thing?

HurlingRanker

Prop Joe wrote: »

On a separate note this does nothing for developing counties,Now people have different views on this but getting a Laois/Carlow/Antrim competitive would that be such a terrible thing?

How competitions are structured will have absolutely no bearing on the competitiveness of those counties. The league format was changed several times in it’s history under the misguided belief that simply granting those counties the opportunity to play top counties more regularly will make them more competitive, gets trialed for a few years, nothing changes and the format is restructured.

The issue is more to do with numbers of players and clubs and underage structures within the those county’s. There’s as few as three hurling clubs in some Meagher Cup counties.