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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #8192
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The Cush wrote: »
    No, but based on reports here I suspect the door to door sales person was.

    He's so far out of Athlone, that FTTC isn't going to work. Hence he's been stuck on LTE up until now. Was waiting for Fixed Wireless or FTTH option.

    Vodafone came around, but obviously he knew of his options. I wouldn't go near them either. They've never ever got a bill right yet and support is pretty bad.

    As I said, this is a recent development. Can very well be because of the decision that was announced today. They would have known that for a while owning part of SIRO.

    /M


  • #8193
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    He's so far out of Athlone, that FTTC isn't going to work. Hence he's been stuck on LTE up until now. Was waiting for Fixed Wireless or FTTH option.

    Vodafone came around, but obviously he knew of his options. I wouldn't go near them either. They've never ever got a bill right yet and support is pretty bad.

    /M

    I think we should trust the wholesaler's page over the anecdotal evidence of someone. Sorry.

    http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

    You said they have been selling it since the start so two or more years. Yet not one mention of them as a seller on this forum. When confronted with the facts you change to say they may only be selling for two weeks. Make up your mind.


  • #8194
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    In all the discussions here no one has said they subscribed to open-eir's FTTH product via Vodafone, in fact there are some posts here where they have confirmed to posters that they do not offer FTTH via open-eir's network. Of course this position may have changed very recently on the back of their decision to withdraw from the NBP process. Someone may let us know.


  • #8195
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I think we should trust the wholesaler's page over the anecdotal evidence of someone. Sorry.

    http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

    You said they have been selling it since the start so two or more years. Yet not one mention of them as a seller on this forum. When confronted with the facts you change to say they may only be selling for two weeks. Make up your mind.

    The wholesalers page is optional. Not every wholesaler is listed there. I can at least see 1 missing, that I know are providing FTTC and FTTH. The particular wholeseller only sells to existing customers as an add-on.

    All I said is, that Vodafone is offering FTTH, as they've had sales people out trying to scoop up in newly enabled areas.

    /M


  • #8196
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    As I said, this is a recent development. Can very well be because of the decision that was announced today. They would have known that for a while owning part of SIRO.

    Earlier you said ...
    Marlow wrote: »
    Vodafone DOES resell both OpenEIR and SIRO FTTH already. They've been doing that from day one.


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  • #8197
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    The wholesalers page is optional. Not every wholesaler is listed there. I can at least see 1 missing, that I know are providing FTTC and FTTH. The particular wholeseller only sells to existing customers as an add-on.

    All I said is, that Vodafone is offering FTTH, as they've had sales people out trying to scoop up in newly enabled areas.

    /M

    Again in all the posts here where people have had salespersons in newly enabled areas not one Vodafone caller. You are the only person who has ever mentioned them then calling at a door selling Openeir FTTH. I know which side I'm on.


  • #8198
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The Cush wrote: »
    Earlier you said ...

    Spoofer!


  • #8199
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    The wholesalers page is optional. Not every wholesaler is listed there. I can at least see 1 missing, that I know are providing FTTC and FTTH.

    Will you tell us who, or is it a secret?


  • #8200
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The Cush wrote: »
    Earlier you said ...

    At this point, this is a witch hunt.

    Fact is:
    - they are a OpenEIR reseller
    - if they are selling FTTC, they can sell FTTH .. it's the same product group
    - not every NGA signed wholesale partner is listed on http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/
    - they may opted not to sell FTTH in the start, but I know first hand of a sales person, that offered it
    - boards.ie does not have every broadband subscriber in the country on here.

    /M


  • #8201
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The Cush wrote: »
    Will you tell us who, or is it a secret?

    They are not interested to advertise this to the public. So no, I won't tell you.

    /M


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  • #8202
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    At this point, this is a witch hunt.

    Fact is:
    - they are a OpenEIR reseller
    - if they are selling FTTC, they can sell FTTH .. it's the same product group
    - not every NGA signed wholesale partner is listed on http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/
    - they may opted not to sell FTTH in the start, but I know first hand of a sales person, that offered it
    - boards.ie does not have every broadband subscriber in the country on here.

    /M

    I think if you just said "Sorry, I made a mistake" people would not mind. It's your insistence to argue your point in the face of evidence that annoys people. We all make errors.


  • #8203
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    They are not interested to advertise this to the public. So no, I won't tell you.

    Spoilsport, we were having such fun :D


  • #8204
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I think if you just said "Sorry, I made a mistake" people would not mind. It's your insistence to argue your point in the face of evidence that annoys people. We all make errors.

    I have no problem to admit, that I may be wrong and they may not have sold FTTH from the get go.

    But if that is the case, then it was by choice, not because they haven't signed up to the product. They can start ordering those circuits any day they choose. It's covered under the same OpenEIR contract.

    And having said that .. I guess the "I made a mistake" applies as much to people, that believe that website always are up to date and rely blindly on that data.

    /M


  • #8205
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    But if that is the case, then it was by choice, not because they haven't signed up to the product.

    Of course it's by choice, no one said otherwise, they're rolling out their own wholesale access network.


  • #8206
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The Cush wrote: »
    Of course it's by choice, no one said otherwise, they're rolling out their own wholesale access network.

    It doesn't cover the same areas. And it's fairly far down the roadmap to do so. It would be stupid by Vodafone to pass up the customers business in the meanwhile.

    As I already stated, they could always switch them from OpenEIR to SIRO when SIRO gets to cover those areas. That would be the business sensitive way to do it, when you already have the infrastructure for the wholesale platform in place and are paying for it.

    /M


  • #8207
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    It doesn't cover the same areas. And it's fairly far down the roadmap to do so. It would be stupid by Vodafone to pass up the customers business in the meanwhile.

    As I already stated, they could always switch them from OpenEIR to SIRO when SIRO gets to cover those areas. That would be the business sensitive way to do it, when you already have the infrastructure for the wholesale platform in place and are paying for it.

    /M

    I think after today you may give up on SIRO covering these rural areas for a long time to come if ever. Get on the eir train. Choo choo!


  • #8208
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    It would be stupid by Vodafone to pass up the customers business in the meanwhile.

    Agree 100%, but that's what happening.

    Just to add, Sky, who also resell open-eir's FTTC do not resell open-eir's FTTH yet. Do you have any info that contradicts this?


  • #8209
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I think after today you may give up on SIRO covering these rural areas for a long time to come if ever. Get on the eir train. Choo choo!
    Marlow wrote: »
    I have to deal with OpenEIR and SIRO and other things in regards of my work . Who I work for has nothing to do with my opinions or my being here.

    I'm dealing with both .. and eNet for that sake.
    The Cush wrote: »
    Agree 100%, but that's what happening.

    Just to add, Sky, who also resell open-eir's FTTC do not resell open-eir's FTTH yet. Do you have any info that contradicts this?

    No idea. I've only heard rumors, so not really going to delve in there. I know they were looking at SIRO, but were waiting for an aggregated solution as they don't want to maintain backbone connections outside of Dublin (that's hear say), which is something that will come through BT and eNet.

    /M


  • #8210
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    I know they were looking at SIRO,

    It doesn't make business sense for a retailer to restrict themselves to a single wholesale network where it doesn't provide nationwide coverage. In Vodafone's case, with all their financial might, restricting themselves to one network in a small country probably makes little difference.


  • #8211
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Hmm...

    http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057628171

    http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057762553


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  • #8212
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    my line and neighbors numbers not passing for Vodafone Fibre. My line only passes for FTTH with Eir, Digiweb and Pure Telecom.


  • #8213
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Gonzo wrote: »
    my line and neighbors numbers not passing for Vodafone Fibre. My line only passes for FTTH with Eir, Digiweb and Pure Telecom.

    Lets see what Comreg decision is on wholesale access pricing and if it will be enough for them to use open-eir's network.


  • #8214
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    I wonder how they actually tie that data into the webservice.

    Would be great, if wholesale partners are listed automatically based on which exchanges they have a presence in (as in, once they order the circuit needed to enable an exchange).

    Doubt it though. As I said, I know one wholesale partner is missing of that site, so it's probably done manually. OpenEIRs wholesale order platform is outright crummy.

    /M


  • #8215
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The Cush wrote: »
    Lets see what Comreg decision is on wholesale access pricing and if it will be enough for them to use open-eir's network.

    Comreg allowed the price-hike in 2016. I can't see them revert that.

    /M


  • #8216
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The Cush wrote: »
    Lets see what Comreg decision is on wholesale access pricing and if it will be enough for them to use open-eir's network.

    The, admittedly probably not great, margin is there for Digiweb and Pure and Westnet etc. Vodafone are cutting of their nose to spite their face by staying off the network now.


  • #8217
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    OpenEIRs wholesale order platform is outright crummy.

    The Unified Gateway?


  • #8218
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    The, admittedly probably not great, margin is there for Digiweb and Pure and Westnet etc. Vodafone are cutting of their nose to spite their face by staying off the network now.

    SIRO pricing is on pre 2016 pricing. Probably less for Vodafone being an investor. But if they're already selling FTTC, there isn't that much of a difference for FTTH. At least not 150 mbit/s compared to FTTC.
    The Cush wrote: »
    The Unified Gateway?

    Yep .... bad ... (understatement). A lot of orders require manual adjustment. Eir internally are even worse. They have at least 5 billing systems, one going back 20 years. And you could be in either of them. There's a poor lad tasked with merging them all in one. At least he's guaranteed a job for 10+ years.

    /M


  • #8219
    turbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Get on the eir train. Choo choo!

    Somebody please pass me the sick bag!!


  • #8220
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    turbbo wrote: »
    Somebody please pass me the sick bag!!

    Tongue in cheek!


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  • #8221
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,049 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Marlow wrote: »
    Comreg allowed the price-hike in 2016. I can't see them revert that

    Much broader than that, some catch-up reading for you - https://www.comreg.ie/publication/pricing-wholesale-services-wholesale-local-access-wla-market-wholesale-central-access-markets/
    https://www.comreg.ie/publication/non-confidential-submissions-consultation-1726-pricing-obligations-markets-3a-wla-3b-wca/


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