Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

charlie14 · 21-09-2017 09:58PM

PARlance wrote: »

We broke away from our norm and played 7 defenders (Durcan coming in for DO'C) against Dublin. So that switch of Boyle to DO'C sees DO'C as wing forward not CB.

He was one of our best performers this year but I think we'll have to have faith in the management when they say he can only do X km..minutes... It's on medical device afaik.

The reality is that if he's struggling this year, and at his age, he probably won't bounce back next year. It's likely he'll could deteriorate. I would save him and get another year or two out of him as an impact sub if that was the case.

(I'm not calling for him to be dropped btw. A question was asked: who from the bench could start next year and who might they replace)

I can get what you are saying, but imho Mayo`s performances dipped each time Boyle was withdrawn, so regardless of how much time he can give in a game, being a believer in starting your best 15, I would still have him in from the start.

djPSB · 21-09-2017 10:06PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Poor Lee. There is an old expression "Don't throw other peoples' snowballs."

And if are going to be hard man, maybe not cry like a little girl at the end of it all.
Man, I've seen it all now. One of the best games of modern times, played by two of the best teams and some keyboard warrior slags a player cause he cried after losing his 4th All Ireland.
Your beyond contempt. Is winning 3 in a row not enough for you that you've to sink to that? You wouldn't lace the 3rd eyelet of his left boot and I don't care who you are behind the keyboard, because I know that 100% true. Your a horrible, nasty person.

Poor form Bonnie,I have always considered you a very reasoned poster.

I think the real saying is 'People in glasshouses shouldn't throw snowballs'.

djPSB · 21-09-2017 10:08PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

This place really goes to Sh!t this time of year....

Might be no harm to shut it down until next July.

MayoAreMagic · 22-09-2017 09:32AM

Donal55 wrote: »

Was it not Boyle's gob he had his fingers in?

It was actually more the eye than the mouth. I thought it was his mouth first also, but I watched the rte coverage of the game and they have the incident in real time. It is his eye first and foremost, but he kinda paws at his mouth then too. The still photo doing the rounds must only catch the mouth part.

Shurimgreat · 22-09-2017 10:45AM

If there was one failure in the last few years its integrating the next generation of players.
You cannot continually rely on the same core group of players. They can do well for 60 minutes but time and again its the last 10-15 minutes where we come up short. On Sunday we were in a winning position but were lacking 3-4 players to come off the bench to close it out.
We need a top class midfielder, two top class forwards and the same in the backs to come in.
In the modern game, your subs need to be of the same standard as your starting 15.
No-one fears our bench and that's a problem.
I'd particularly like to see a couple of players on the bench with real pace, the equivalent of Darren O'Sullivan or Kevin McManamon, players who can run at defences and cause problems.

Loafing Oaf · 22-09-2017 10:57AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

On Sunday we were in a winning position but were lacking 3-4 players to come off the bench to close it out.
We need a top class midfielder, two top class forwards and the same in the backs to come in.
I'd particularly like to see a couple of players on the bench with real pace, the equivalent of Darren O'Sullivan or Kevin McManamon, players who can run at defences and cause problems.

And where is Rochford supposed to source these supermen? The Argos catalogue? Perhaps we should replace him with Saruman.

blinding · 22-09-2017 11:15AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If there was one failure in the last few years its integrating the next generation of players.
You cannot continually rely on the same core group of players. They can do well for 60 minutes but time and again its the last 10-15 minutes where we come up short. On Sunday we were in a winning position but were lacking 3-4 players to come off the bench to close it out.
We need a top class midfielder, two top class forwards and the same in the backs to come in.
In the modern game, your subs need to be of the same standard as your starting 15.
No-one fears our bench and that's a problem.
I'd particularly like to see a couple of players on the bench with real pace, the equivalent of Darren O'Sullivan or Kevin McManamon, players who can run at defences and cause problems.

Have Dublin put some of these type of players on the Transfer list .:eek:

Perhaps thats the solution to the large number of players Dublin have available .

Other counties can either transfer or kidnap some of Dublins excess players .

Shurimgreat · 22-09-2017 11:24AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And where is Rochford supposed to source these supermen? The Argos catalogue? Perhaps we should replace him with Saruman.

Its not as if there isn't talented young footballers in Mayo. We've won an All-Ireland minor and U-21 in recent years. More players from these teams need to be making an impact at senior inter county level.
Moran, Higgins, Boyle and SOS are only good for 60 minutes we know that.
What comes off the bench need to be as good as them. Midfield in particular is vital in the last few minutes.

jmayo · 22-09-2017 11:33AM

The very best of luck to the ladies on Sunday and here is hoping they consign the dubs to the same fate as our men.

After beating the all conquering Cork and Donegal it would be a great shame if Cora Staunton doesn't get to collect another winners medal.

Loafing Oaf · 22-09-2017 11:36AM

blinding wrote: »

Have Dublin put some of these type of players on the Transfer list .:eek:

Perhaps thats the solution to the large number of players Dublin have available .

Other counties can either transfer or kidnap some of Dublins excess players .

McManaman himself is of Mayo stock isn't he. Maybe if Dublin decide he's surplus to requirements in a couple of years we can claim under the GAA granny rule.

Shurimgreat · 22-09-2017 11:45AM

If you want a look at the pipeline of talent coming through to the senior ranks, you only have to look at the success of u21 teams.
Dublin have won 4 of the last 8 u21 AIs. This talent pool is now coming through to the senior teams.
Kerry haven't won one since 2008, Mayo 2016, Tyrone 2015.
Dublin's vast superiority in terms of funds, coaches and player numbers is beginning to tell. It looks like they are focusing a lot of resources at the u21/u20 age group, more so than minor.

Coillte_Bhoy · 22-09-2017 01:12PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If there was one failure in the last few years its integrating the next generation of players.
You cannot continually rely on the same core group of players. They can do well for 60 minutes but time and again its the last 10-15 minutes where we come up short. On Sunday we were in a winning position but were lacking 3-4 players to come off the bench to close it out.
We need a top class midfielder, two top class forwards and the same in the backs to come in.
In the modern game, your subs need to be of the same standard as your starting 15.
No-one fears our bench and that's a problem.
I'd particularly like to see a couple of players on the bench with real pace, the equivalent of Darren O'Sullivan or Kevin McManamon, players who can run at defences and cause problems.

Ah if only it was that simple. Who do you want to see brought in? Of the forwards, Boland and Regan have been given plenty of opportunities and nether has proved to be up to the mark as yet.

charlie14 · 22-09-2017 01:28PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Its not as if there isn't talented young footballers in Mayo. We've won an All-Ireland minor and U-21 in recent years. More players from these teams need to be making an impact at senior inter county level.
Moran, Higgins, Boyle and SOS are only good for 60 minutes we know that.
What comes off the bench need to be as good as them. Midfield in particular is vital in the last few minutes.

Prior 2016 Mayo hadn`t won An AI U21 since 2006 and that U21 team came off the back of the AI winning minor team of 2013.
Prior to that 2013 AI minor team, Mayo hadn`t win the title since 1985.
I would agree with your previous post that Mayo need a mid-fielder, two top class backs and two of the same in forwards coming through, but the net is going to have to be cast much wider than the recent AI winning minors and U21s

flasher0030 · 22-09-2017 01:32PM

I don't understand the Boland situation. He was getting good reviews based on his league performances. Not mind-blowing, but was a good passer of the ball, and put over 2 to 3 point in some games.

But then, it seemed all of a sudden, that was it. He was nowhere to be seen. I don't recall him having a run of bad games that led to him fading away.

It's not that I think he should make the first 15. He does seem to small and light. But Conor O'Shea, David Drake etc. have made cameo appearances in the championship, but nothing for Boland.

Dyr · 22-09-2017 01:50PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And where is Rochford supposed to source these supermen? The Argos catalogue? Perhaps we should replace him with Saruman.

Dublin County Board have Saruman and Eldon Tyrell contracted and working in the High Performance Unit in DCU.

Brian Fenton has recently been heard mumbling "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe"

ProudDUB · 22-09-2017 02:25PM

Dub players Attack ships on fire running off The Shoulder of James McCarthy Orion?

Saw the trailer lasst night. Looks deadly.

Blackjack · 22-09-2017 02:56PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

I don't understand the Boland situation. He was getting good reviews based on his league performances. Not mind-blowing, but was a good passer of the ball, and put over 2 to 3 point in some games.

But then, it seemed all of a sudden, that was it. He was nowhere to be seen. I don't recall him having a run of bad games that led to him fading away.

It's not that I think he should make the first 15. He does seem to small and light. But Conor O'Shea, David Drake etc. have made cameo appearances in the championship, but nothing for Boland.

I think how he got roasted a bit vs Tyrone in Omaha did him no favors. That and Jason Doherty coming back to full fitness from an injury will have meant his place was in danger.
You never know what goes on behind the scenes either, may not have been performing in training or advancing as well as the rest of the panel were. Plus he’s a bit small and light as you say. On the latter part, I wouldn’t have seen a place for him on the match day 26 in the final to be honest.
He’ll improve both physically and skillfully and experience will help, but this might have been a year too early for him to feature at the latter stages of the year.

Loafing Oaf · 22-09-2017 02:59PM

Bambi wrote: »

Dublin County Board have Saruman and Eldon Tyrell contracted and working in the High Performance Unit in DCU.

Brian Fenton has recently been heard mumbling "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe"

We gotta outflank them, ask Cersei for the loan of this guy for next year's championship. Whatever he did for Gregor Clegane he could also do for our very own mountain AOS.
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PARlance · 22-09-2017 03:29PM

Blackjack wrote: »

I think how he got roasted a bit vs Tyrone in Omaha did him no favors. That and Jason Doherty coming back to full fitness from an injury will have meant his place was in danger.
You never know what goes on behind the scenes either, may not have been performing in training or advancing as well as the rest of the panel were. Plus he’s a bit small and light as you say. On the latter part, I wouldn’t have seen a place for him on the match day 26 in the final to be honest.
He’ll improve both physically and skillfully and experience will help, but this might have been a year too early for him to feature at the latter stages of the year.

He held his starting spot against Donegal, Sligo, Galway, Derry & Clare after that Tyrone game.

For me the turning point was about 20 mins into the Clare game. Up until that point we were playing more of a kicking / slower tempo game... the shackles came off / had to come off against Clare. Boland was the casualty of that imo. Doherty's form a big factor too.

Hopefully we / he sees the benefit of this year and builds on it. For someone in his first year, he got a lot of football between the League and 4 Championship games.

TCDStudent1 · 22-09-2017 04:05PM

PARlance wrote: »

He held his starting spot against Donegal, Sligo, Galway, Derry & Clare after that Tyrone game.

For me the turning point was about 20 mins into the Clare game. Up until that point we were playing more of a kicking / slower tempo game... the shackles came off / had to come off against Clare. Boland was the casualty of that imo. Doherty's form a big factor too.

Hopefully we / he sees the benefit of this year and builds on it. For someone in his first year, he got a lot of football between the League and 4 Championship games.

Did Boland make the 26 for the final? Was Barry moran on 26?

Actually, can anybody tell me full list of Mayo subs on final day?

PARlance · 22-09-2017 04:17PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Did Boland make the 26 for the final? Was Barry moran on 26?

Actually, can anybody tell me full list of Mayo subs on final day?

Diarmuid O’Connor for Seamus O’Shea (50), Stephen Coen for Colm Boyle (55), Conor Loftus for Andy Moran (63), David Drake for Jason Doherty (70), Danny Kirby for Kevin McLoughlin (74), Ger Cafferkey for Keith Higgins (75)

Hennelly, B Moran, Conor O'Shea, Boland and Dillon make the 11 but just off top of my head, open to correction.

Blackjack · 22-09-2017 04:34PM

PARlance wrote: »

He held his starting spot against Donegal, Sligo, Galway, Derry & Clare after that Tyrone game.

For me the turning point was about 20 mins into the Clare game. Up until that point we were playing more of a kicking / slower tempo game... the shackles came off / had to come off against Clare. Boland was the casualty of that imo. Doherty's form a big factor too.

Hopefully we / he sees the benefit of this year and builds on it. For someone in his first year, he got a lot of football between the League and 4 Championship games.

True on all counts. For me his decline in form (if I can call it that) started in Tyrone. Up to that, he was doing quite spectacularly.

djPSB · 22-09-2017 04:55PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If there was one failure in the last few years its integrating the next generation of players.
You cannot continually rely on the same core group of players. They can do well for 60 minutes but time and again its the last 10-15 minutes where we come up short. On Sunday we were in a winning position but were lacking 3-4 players to come off the bench to close it out.
We need a top class midfielder, two top class forwards and the same in the backs to come in.
In the modern game, your subs need to be of the same standard as your starting 15.
No-one fears our bench and that's a problem.
I'd particularly like to see a couple of players on the bench with real pace, the equivalent of Darren O'Sullivan or Kevin McManamon, players who can run at defences and cause problems.

All sounds great in principle. Most counties are struggling to get a strong starting 15 together. Mayo have achieved this.

Mayo probably have as strong a bench as any team apart from the Dubs which no team will match.

Loafing Oaf · 22-09-2017 05:21PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Dub players Attack ships on fire running off The Shoulder of James McCarthy Orion?

All these All-Ireland titles will be lost in time...cos they're gonna win so fcukin many of them...

ProudDUB · 22-09-2017 05:23PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

All these All-Ireland titles will be lost in time...cos they're gonna win so fcukin many of them...

Like tears in the rain, eh?

Edit: Sorry, you're not from Kerry. Never mind.

seligehgit · 22-09-2017 06:32PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

We gotta outflank them, ask Cersei for the loan of this guy for next year's championship. Whatever he did for Gregor Clegane he could also do for our very own mountain AOS.

Qyburn is your man!:D

Hearing rumours the rebels are mad anxious to get a hold of Donie Buckley?

seligehgit · 22-09-2017 06:33PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Did Boland make the 26 for the final? Was Barry moran on 26?

Actually, can anybody tell me full list of Mayo subs on final day?

I'll check my programme.

PARlance · 22-09-2017 06:47PM

Blackjack wrote: »

True on all counts. For me his decline in form (if I can call it that) started in Tyrone. Up to that, he was doing quite spectacularly.

With you on that, I hope he has a big year next year. A different type of player, was very impressed with him for most of the league.

PARlance · 22-09-2017 07:19PM

djPSB wrote: »

All sounds great in principle. Most counties are struggling to get a strong starting 15 together. Mayo have achieved this.

Mayo probably have as strong a bench as any team apart from the Dubs which no team will match.

I would kill for half the Kerry bench.

jasonroche123 · 23-09-2017 12:37PM

seligehgit wrote: »

I'll check my programme.

he didn't he wore number 30

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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