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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #7922
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    The Cush wrote: »
    A lot more if required, a box in my area has 14 slots for drop cables, although looking at the rollout here they will be servicing no more than 6-8 houses per box.

    DSC_0042.jpg

    Their plan is to have a box within 150m of a potential subscriber (3 poles), they have run drop cables 200m (4 poles) according to posts here.

    I live 450m from the exchange thats due to be activated (in the next month or so) the weird thing is that I can't see any of the above boxes on the poles between me and the exchange. I see them further down the road either side of the exchange but not between me and it. Its obviously not just my house, there are a reasonable amount of houses (the most densely populated part of a very rural area, 20 houses). Is this because we are so near the exchange?


  • #7923
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    sean72 wrote: »
    I live 450m from the exchange thats due to be activated (in the next month or so) the weird thing is that I can't see any of the above boxes on the poles between me and the exchange. I see them further down the road either side of the exchange but not between me and it. Its obviously not just my house, there are a reasonable amount of houses (the most densely populated part of a very rural area, 20 houses). Is this because we are so near the exchange?

    Yeah I would say so. Your current speeds are probably reasonable?


  • #7924
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    Yeah I would say so. Your current speeds are probably reasonable?

    Our area only has wireless broadband providers at present so 8mb down - 1mb up. This will be my first experience of wired/fibre broadband :)


  • #7925
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    450m from an exchange and no BB? Seems strange that. I would have thought ADSL would give you 8Mb no prob, and ADSL2 over 20mb?


  • #7926
    BandMember
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭BandMember


    sean72 wrote: »
    Our area only has wireless broadband providers at present so 8mb down - 1mb up. This will be my first experience of wired/fibre broadband :)

    Fixed that for you. ;)


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  • #7927
    raydator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭raydator


    FTTH Gorey, Co.Wexford. speed test.

    5KbVDWZ.png


  • #7928
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    sean72 wrote: »
    Our area only has wireless broadband providers at present so 8mb down - 1mb up. This will be my first experience of wired/fibre broadband :)
    vintagevrs wrote: »
    450m from an exchange and no BB? Seems strange that. I would have thought ADSL would give you 8Mb no prob, and ADSL2 over 20mb?

    Id guess its an old phone only MSAN. They'll add one VDSL rack to cover you potentially and start the FTTH at 1km out or more.


  • #7929
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    450m from an exchange and no BB? Seems strange that. I would have thought ADSL would give you 8Mb no prob, and ADSL2 over 20mb?
    ED E wrote: »
    Id guess its an old phone only MSAN. They'll add one VDSL rack to cover you potentially and start the FTTH at 1km out or more.

    I get confused with cabinets and exchanges etc, I think I should have said cabinet that is what it says on the FTTH map legend. All I can say is that we do not have wired broadband in our very remote area of any sort. Roll on FTTH! I just hope it works out given some of the experiences shared on here. My own brother in the hills of Donegal has had 3 cancelations for his install already.


  • #7930
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    ED E wrote: »
    Id guess its an old phone only MSAN. They'll add one VDSL rack to cover you potentially and start the FTTH at 1km out or more.

    Complete ignorance here but will 1000mb/s (or up there) be obtainable, I thought VDSL couldn't achieve anywhere near those speeds? You'll see in my previous post I corrected that I live 450m from the cabinet not the exchange.....

    I thought that anyone living along the 'yellow line' would be able to get up to 1000mb/s based on how much they wanted to pay?


  • #7931
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    sean72 wrote: »
    Complete ignorance here but will 1000mb/s (or up there) be obtainable, I thought VDSL couldn't achieve anywhere near those speeds? You'll see in my previous post I corrected that I live 450m from the cabinet not the exchange.....

    I thought that anyone living along the 'yellow line' would be able to get up to 1000mb/s based on how much they wanted to pay?

    946mb/s is about the fastest it goes in a real world speed test due to overheads. It is fibre to the home so distance is not important, the only thing that is important is that the FTTH line passes your home with a splice box for you to connect to. Some properties near the start of a yellow line may not be eligible for the service if they are already served by decent VDSL/FTTC.

    VDSL/FTTC is a completely different technology, a mixed fibre and copper solution, in Ireland the max that goes is 100mb/s with real world max of 95mb/s during speedtests and be located very close to a cabinet.


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  • #7932
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I was at the Ploughing today and I noticed at the end of a row close to the VW Experience was serviced for electricity, pothead junction box for phone and a 3M fibre splice box with white/blue stripe ducting attached for blown fibre I believe.


  • #7933
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    The Cush wrote: »
    I was at the Ploughing today and I noticed at the end of a row close to the VW Experience was serviced for electricity, pothead junction box for phone and a 3M fibre splice box with white/blue stripe ducting attached for blown fibre I believe.

    Openeir are tweeting about their setup.

    https://twitter.com/openeir/status/910113652430311424


  • #7934
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    Gonzo wrote: »
    946mb/s is about the fastest it goes in a real world speed test due to overheads. It is fibre to the home so distance is not important, the only thing that is important is that the FTTH line passes your home with a splice box for you to connect to. Some properties near the start of a yellow line may not be eligible for the service if they are already served by decent VDSL/FTTC.

    VDSL/FTTC is a completely different technology, a mixed fibre and copper solution, in Ireland the max that goes is 100mb/s with real world max of 95mb/s during speedtests and be located very close to a cabinet.

    I'm getting more confused by the day with this. Yes I live very near the cabinet (450m) but I am almost 100% sure there is no VDSL/FTTC in our area. Is there a way to check all this out for certain, I've done the eir line check thingy and I am sure my neighbour would have mentioned it. I thought that being near the cabinet would be an advantage, I know that 100mb speeds would be amazing but I was kinda going to go all out on this and was hoping for 1000 (900+)! If there is no broadband in the area currently will this be the way they approach the rollout speeds anyway ... those closest houses to the cabinet get a different 'lower' speeds. Or is this just if a current wired broadband service is there?


  • #7935
    Pangea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Pangea


    A word of caution to anyone upgrading to FTTH. Eir never deactivated my old Eir account after switching to FTTH and I got a bill for it. I got on to Eir and thankfully they removed the charges for me.


  • #7936
    detective
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭detective


    I live on a FTTH planned route but I live 100m back from the road. The neighbours either side of me are covered but I was not, presumably because I am so far back from the road.

    I queried this with Eir and I received the following reply -

    "I had one of the network team advise on your situation.

    Currently your location is part of the design phase for this area once the design phase completes your location should be included.

    Your service provider should advise you once you are in a position to place an order.I would also suggest checking in with your provider for updates."

    Obviously I was pleasantly surprised by the reply. I hope they're right.


  • #7937
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    detective wrote: »
    I live on a FTTH planned route but I live 100m back from the road. The neighbours either side of me are covered but I was not, presumably because I am so far back from the road.

    ...

    Obviously I was pleasantly surprised by the reply. I hope they're right.

    We have seen posts here where certain properties weren't included in the initial 300k rollout plan but were later added, you might be in luck.


  • #7938
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    sean72 wrote: »
    I'm getting more confused by the day with this. Yes I live very near the cabinet (450m) but I am almost 100% sure there is no VDSL/FTTC in our area. Is there a way to check all this out for certain, I've done the eir line check thingy and I am sure my neighbour would have mentioned it. I thought that being near the cabinet would be an advantage, I know that 100mb speeds would be amazing but I was kinda going to go all out on this and was hoping for 1000 (900+)! If there is no broadband in the area currently will this be the way they approach the rollout speeds anyway ... those closest houses to the cabinet get a different 'lower' speeds. Or is this just if a current wired broadband service is there?

    Enter your Eircode here:

    http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

    Post what it says.

    Also enter your Eircode here (under Check Rural 300k):

    http://fibrerollout.ie

    Post what it says.


  • #7939
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    sean72 wrote: »
    I live 450m from the exchange thats due to be activated (in the next month or so) the weird thing is that I can't see any of the above boxes on the poles between me and the exchange. I see them further down the road either side of the exchange but not between me and it. Its obviously not just my house, there are a reasonable amount of houses (the most densely populated part of a very rural area, 20 houses). Is this because we are so near the exchange?
    sean72 wrote: »
    Our area only has wireless broadband providers at present so 8mb down - 1mb up. This will be my first experience of wired/fibre broadband :)
    sean72 wrote: »
    I'm getting more confused by the day with this. Yes I live very near the cabinet (450m) but I am almost 100% sure there is no VDSL/FTTC in our area. Is there a way to check all this out for certain, I've done the eir line check thingy and I am sure my neighbour would have mentioned it.

    What is your local exchange/cabinet. I assume it was one of those few never upgraded for ADSL services? The exchange will likely be upgraded for VDSL as part of the FTTH rollout.

    In the process of upgrading a small local exchange for FTTH they run core fibre to it, if it's not already there, from a larger exchange. This is what happened in our area in Summer 2016. In the process VDSL/FTTC went live in August 2016 with FTTH work starting late last year, pole marking/hedge cutting etc. Our exchange did have congested ADSL2+ before core fibre was run but everything was over a wireless point-to-point link that wasn't capable of handling the traffic.
    sean72 wrote: »
    I get confused with cabinets and exchanges etc, I think I should have said cabinet that is what it says on the FTTH map legend.

    You have roadside/street cabinets for FTTC and then you have cabinets in exchanges for eVDSL (exchange launched VDSL), same product basically, some technical differences.
    sean72 wrote: »
    Complete ignorance here but will 1000mb/s (or up there) be obtainable, I thought VDSL couldn't achieve anywhere near those speeds? You'll see in my previous post I corrected that I live 450m from the cabinet not the exchange.....

    FTTC/VDSL (up to 100 Mbps) speed vs. distance

    untitled2.jpg
    sean72 wrote: »
    I thought that anyone living along the 'yellow line' would be able to get up to 1000mb/s based on how much they wanted to pay?

    As posted previously a fibre line running past you house is no guarantee of a FTTH connection and anyone capable of getting at least 30Mbps VDSL over existing copper may not be connected to FTTH, although someone posted recently that they were connected with a copper line capable of 30Mbps.

    450m would mean a connection speed of around 90Mbps and would be unlikely to get FTTH for now.
    sean72 wrote: »
    I thought that being near the cabinet would be an advantage, I know that 100mb speeds would be amazing but I was kinda going to go all out on this and was hoping for 1000 (900+)! If there is no broadband in the area currently will this be the way they approach the rollout speeds anyway ... those closest houses to the cabinet get a different 'lower' speeds. Or is this just if a current wired broadband service is there?

    In areas closest to the cabinet/exchange with a dense population it is quicker to rollout hi-speed VDSL broadband via existing copper network and concentrating FTTH rollout on rural areas not capable of VDSL speeds.


  • #7940
    eiei0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭eiei0


    From past experience roughly how long after the boxes went up would it be likely to be live,

    I asked one of the guys today and he said they were pretty much finished around here, yet openeir say next June???


  • #7941
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    A friend has had a DP outside his house for the best part of a year now, and isn't due to go live until early next year. The DP went up on the nearest pole to me in the last week, so it will be interesting to see how long I'm waiting.


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  • #7942
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    The Cush wrote: »
    What is your local exchange/cabinet. I assume it was one of those few never upgraded for ADSL services? The exchange will likely be upgraded for VDSL as part of the FTTH rollout.

    In the process of upgrading a small local exchange for FTTH they run core fibre to it, if it's not already there, from a larger exchange. This is what happened in our area in Summer 2016. In the process VDSL/FTTC went live in August 2016 with FTTH work starting late last year, pole marking/hedge cutting etc. Our exchange did have congested ADSL2+ before core fibre was run but everything was over a wireless point-to-point link that wasn't capable of handling the traffic.



    You have roadside/street cabinets for FTTC and then you have cabinets in exchanges for eVDSL (exchange launched VDSL), same product basically, some technical differences.



    FTTC/VDSL (up to 100 Mbps) speed vs. distance

    untitled2.jpg



    As posted previously a fibre line running past you house is no guarantee of a FTTH connection and anyone capable of getting at least 30Mbps VDSL over existing copper may not be connected to FTTH, although someone posted recently that they were connected with a copper line capable of 30Mbps.

    450m would mean a connection speed of around 90Mbps and would be unlikely to get FTTH for now.



    In areas closest to the cabinet/exchange with a dense population it is quicker to rollout hi-speed VDSL broadband via existing copper network and concentrating FTTH rollout on rural areas not capable of VDSL speeds.

    Well TBH speeds of 90mb/s would be amazing, I suppose I was thinking of the highest possible connection. Is there an small advantage in that the line is already there ?? quicker installation??


  • #7943
    sean72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭sean72


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Enter your Eircode here:

    http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

    Post what it says.

    Also enter your Eircode here (under Check Rural 300k):

    http://fibrerollout.ie

    Post what it says.

    LIGHT BLUE AREA
    Your premises is in the commercial planned deployment area that will be covered on a commercial basis. For further information on rollout in your area go to http://fibrerollout.ie/

    Great news! Your Eircode is on open eir’s rural fibre rollout programme offering fibre speed of between 30Mb/s and 1000Mb/s. We estimate fibre broadband will be live in your area during the second half of 2017.


  • #7944
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    sean72 wrote: »
    Well TBH speeds of 90mb/s would be amazing, I suppose I was thinking of the highest possible connection. Is there an small advantage in that the line is already there ?? quicker installation??

    Yes, whenever the exchange is upgraded for VDSL. Change your line over at the cabinet, new master socket and modem.


  • #7945
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    sean72 wrote: »
    LIGHT BLUE AREA
    Your premises is in the commercial planned deployment area that will be covered on a commercial basis. For further information on rollout in your area go to http://fibrerollout.ie/

    Great news! Your Eircode is on open eir’s rural fibre rollout programme offering fibre speed of between 30Mb/s and 1000Mb/s. We estimate fibre broadband will be live in your area during the second half of 2017.

    A certain percentage of this rollout will be provided with VDSL (FTTC) up to 100 Mb/s. Your premises may be part of this FTTC plan. Alternatively you may get FTTH. There is no way to tell from the online checkers but the lack of FTTH infrastructure around your premises may suggest you will get the slower product.


  • #7946
    Darkglasses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    http://larryhynes.net/2017/i-tried-to-live-life-on-eir.html

    Funny/sad story of an Eir installation.

    FWIW, I've been extremely happy with my choice of Digiweb so far. Installation was done and dusted within 5 working days (as promised), and my 3 customer support calls have been dealt with totally satisfactorily. Would definitely recommend Digiweb to anyone apprehensive about Eir's reputation.


  • #7947
    RoYoBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭RoYoBo


    Darkglasses wrote: »
    http://larryhynes.net/2017/i-tried-to-live-life-on-eir.html

    Funny/sad story of an Eir installation.

    FWIW, I've been extremely happy with my choice of Digiweb so far. Installation was done and dusted within 5 working days (as promised), and my 3 customer support calls have been dealt with totally satisfactorily. Would definitely recommend Digiweb to anyone apprehensive about Eir's reputation.

    If that is indeed a true story (and god help us but I really do think so, based on personal experience!) I don't know how that man maintained his sanity. I was laughing hysterically by the end of it, though - what an absolute farce.

    As for Digiweb, if it wasn't for the installation fee, I'd go with them - I might yet anyway.


  • #7948
    Darkglasses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    RoYoBo wrote: »
    If that is indeed a true story (and god help us but I really do think so, based on personal experience!) I don't know how that man maintained his sanity. I was laughing hysterically by the end of it, though - what an absolute farce.

    As for Digiweb, if it wasn't for the installation fee, I'd go with them - I might yet anyway.

    It's everyone's individual call to make - but I'd sooner forget about paying the installation fee to a decent business than paying my money every month to company that treats people like Eir do.


  • #7949
    BarryM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭BarryM


    BandMember wrote: »
    There was an Eir PR person on The Pat Kenny Show this morning talking about the roll out and also the NBP. No podcast or playback clip available on the Newstalk website yet (that I can see anyway).

    Heard it, pure puff, ploughing championship pr. If you compare what she was saying to the posts on here about "installs" v "available" it reinforces the opinion that eir uses the highest number when talking about their "progress" They continually, and deliberately, confuse "passed" with planned/installed/connected/working/actual speed.

    It is part of eir's game with the Dept., with whom they have a contract to (select whatever you mean) 300k fttx by 2019. Upstages the NBP nicely, means the Dept doesn't have to agree to give out any money for NBP, for the moment.

    Remember, there is no € figure in the Dept of Finance plans, for NBP.


  • #7950
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Eir poles around my area have been surveyed (some marked with the D for defective) in the past week and I see KN trucks/vans with replacements moving around. Who knows, maybe the "by March'18" we might see FTTH


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  • #7951
    garroff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭garroff


    Been there......believe every word.


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