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Major Hurricane Maria

  • 18-09-2017 9:12pm
    #1
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Maria is now a major Cat 3 Hurricane with speeds around 105 kts and soon forecast to become a Cat 4 Hurricane. The track takes it through the Leeward Islands, approach The Virgin Islands and cross Puerto Rica. NHC saying it is set to strengthen rapidly and reach conservative peak speeds of 130 kt in about 30 hrs.

    NHC

    KEY MESSAGES:

    1. Maria will affect portions of the Leeward Islands and the British
    and U.S. Virgin Islands as an extremely dangerous major hurricane
    during the next couple of days, and hurricane warnings are in effect
    for many of these islands.

    2. Maria is likely to affect Puerto Rico as an extremely dangerous
    major hurricane, and a hurricane watch is in effect for that island.
    A hurricane warning will likely be issued later today.

    3. The potential for a life-threatening storm surge, accompanied by
    large and destructive waves, has increased for the Leeward Islands,
    the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

    4. Life-threatening flash floods and mudslides from heavy rainfall
    are expected across the Leeward Islands, including Puerto Rico and
    the U.S. and British Virgin Islands.


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    Models showing the possibility that Maria will begin to veer Northwestwards Sat /Sun .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Now CAT 4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Oh no, here we go again


    Hopefully won't do any damage on Irma scale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Just read about it now being CAT 4 on the BBC.
    The last time I read this afternoon it was only CAT 1.
    I came on here to find out what the real story was.
    Is there really any more damage that could be done to St. Martin and the Virgin Islands after Irma?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    josip wrote: »
    Just read about it now being CAT 4 on the BBC.
    The last time I read this afternoon it was only CAT 1.
    I came on here to find out what the real story was.
    Is there really any more damage that could be done to St. Martin and the Virgin Islands after Irma?

    Looks like Puerto Rico could get slapped with a Cat 5 as this develops, at least that seems the worst outcome for Maria at present.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    Another Geo Engineered Hurricane created by our controllers. Climate change hoax will be blamed again. Photos so far have been pointing towards unnormal cloud formations developing off the cape Verde islands through their manipulation of the weather.




    MOTE NOTE : Stay on topic. See No.5 of the Forum Charter No trolling/goading posts which serve only to aggravate other users.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    josip wrote: »
    Just read about it now being CAT 4 on the BBC.
    The last time I read this afternoon it was only CAT 1.
    I came on here to find out what the real story was.
    Is there really any more damage that could be done to St. Martin and the Virgin Islands after Irma?

    Looks like this one is going to track slightly further south so will hit Martinique, Dominica and Guadeloupe before heading straight for Puerto Rico. The already devastated islands will still get hit but more of a glancing blow compared to last time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Another Geo Engineered Hurricane created by our controllers. Climate change hoax will be blamed again. Photos so far have been pointing towards unnormal cloud formations developing off the cape Verde islands through their manipulation of the weather.

    Care to share these photos? What exactly is abnormal about thunderstorms forming in the south Atlantic at the height of hurricane season?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    This storm has gotten so organised so fast. Yesterday it was just a mess of clouds and now its a tight spiral of pain.

    How it looked yesterday ::

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Looks like this one is going to track slightly further south so will hit Martinique, Dominica and Guadeloupe before heading straight for Puerto Rico. The already devastated islands will still get hit but more of a glancing blow compared to last time.

    Looks like whatever Irma missed east of Haiti and south of Barbuda, Maria is going to hit just as hard.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58



    MOTE NOTE : Stay on topic. See No.5 of the Forum Charter No trolling/goading posts which serve only to aggravate other users.



    Quote:conditioned games
    Another Geo Engineered Hurricane created by our controllers. Climate change hoax will be blamed again. Photos so far have been pointing towards unnormal cloud formations developing off the cape Verde islands through their manipulation of the weather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Harvey: I was the worst
    Irma: No, I was the worst!
    Maria: Hold my beer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭defrule


    Just turned cat 5.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    defrule wrote: »
    Just turned cat 5.

    What was the last hurricane that strengthened that quickly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    Hard to recall a season as catastrophic for the islands as '17 is gearing up to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    Direct hit on Dominica right now. God help them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    Tropical Storm Erika killed 31 here in 2015 so a direct hit from a hurricane is really bad news. Eye wall over centre of island right now


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Dropped 38mb to 924mb in 12 hours at landfall supposedly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Explosive cyclogenesis is not unusual. We are still in and around peak season in the Tropics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Shocking strengthening by Maria before landfall in Dominica as a Cat 5.
    A catastrophe likely on that island I'd say.

    Latest reports show she has weakened somewhat with pressure up to 946mb as she passed over the island.

    She's not done yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I think they got a bit carried away in this TAF for the airport on Dominica. 300 knots sustained...

    TAF TDPD 181700Z 1818/1918 08020KT 7000 SHRA SCT010CB BKN016
    TEMPO 1818/1821 08025G50KT 2000 TSRA +SHRA BKN008CB BKN014
    BECMG 1822/1823 300P99KT 0800 +TSRA +SHRA OVC008CB
    BECMG 1909/1911 18040G65KT 5000 SHRA RA BKN014CB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I think they got a bit carried away in this TAF for the airport on Dominica. 300 knots sustained...

    TAF TDPD 181700Z 1818/1918 08020KT 7000 SHRA SCT010CB BKN016
    TEMPO 1818/1821 08025G50KT 2000 TSRA +SHRA BKN008CB BKN014
    BECMG 1822/1823 300P99KT 0800 +TSRA +SHRA OVC008CB
    BECMG 1909/1911 18040G65KT 5000 SHRA RA BKN014CB
    What is the 300P? Just a typo or of meteorological significance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    josip wrote: »
    What was the last hurricane that strengthened that quickly?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorological_history_of_Hurricane_Wilma

    Wilma dropped 100 mb pressure in just over a day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Maria's change in direction upon hitting Dominica

    https://mobile.twitter.com/pppapin/status/910023015743852544/photo/1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Maria is approaching Buoy 42060 now and may pass right over it. One to keep an eye on

    http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42060


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Harvey: I was the worst
    Irma: No, I was the worst!
    Maria: Hold my beer.

    They're 3 very different storms though, how do we compare them. Harvey was big and slow moving and got stuck in the gulf of mexico but didn't have particularly powerful winds with max sustained winds of about 130mph

    Irma was huge and fast moving with very powerful winds about (185mph max sustained) until it got to Cuba when it lost a lot of power

    Maria seems to be small and slow moving with very fast winds currently topping at about 160mph, but with the potential to increase before the worst is over. It's described as having a pinhole eye, which means that the highest winds are concentrated over a much smaller area than a larger hurricane like IRMA

    Irma looks like the most powerful of the 3 storms, simply because it was so huge and the overall energy it contained is mind boggling, but popular records for hurricanes tend to only focus on the max sustained winds and the amount of damage caused in dollars.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    NHC summary.

    And on Maria marches. Cat 5 , sustained winds near 140 kts, central pressure 927 mb The centre of the hurricane is forecast to pass near or over the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico on Weds.after that maria is forecast to weaken due to upper winds being less favourable and partially due to the large circulation of Jose off the U.S East coast.

    Maria is forecast to be about 135 -140 kt when it makes landfall in Puerto Rico.

    KEY MESSAGES:

    1. Maria will continue to affect portions of the Leeward Islands
    today and the core of the hurricane is expected to move near or over
    Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands tonight and Wednesday. Everyone
    in these areas should follow advice from local officials to avoid
    life-threatening flooding from storm surge and rainfall.

    2. Wind speeds atop and on the windward sides of hills and mountains
    and on high-rise buildings could be much stronger than the near-
    surface winds indicated in this advisory.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 19/1500Z 16.3N 63.1W 140 KT 160 MPH
    12H 20/0000Z 17.0N 64.1W 140 KT 160 MPH
    24H 20/1200Z 18.0N 65.7W 135 KT 155 MPH
    36H 21/0000Z 18.8N 67.1W 125 KT 145 MPH
    48H 21/1200Z 19.6N 68.4W 125 KT 145 MPH
    72H 22/1200Z 21.5N 70.5W 120 KT 140 MPH
    96H 23/1200Z 24.5N 72.0W 105 KT 120 MPH
    120H 24/1200Z 27.5N 72.5W 95 KT 110 MPH

    $$
    Forecaster Beven


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Maria is approaching Buoy 42060 now and may pass right over it. One to keep an eye on

    http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42060

    Have a look at it now - it's been pulled loose and is floating around elsewhere, still transmitting. Went adrift sometime around 1400Z (in case the notification is gone later)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Magnitude 7.1 Earthquake hits Mexico, very coincidental that there was also an earthquake in Mexico when Irma was in the Carribbean!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    Magnitude 7.1 Earthquake hits Mexico, very coincidental that there was also an earthquake in Mexico when Irma was in the Carribbean!

    not really
    Hundreds of earthquakes happen every day

    Magnitude 7 earthquakes happen several times a month, and when one location has an earthquake, the likelyhood of more earthquakes following soon after is much much higher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭hawkwing


    Akrasia wrote: »
    not really
    Hundreds of earthquakes happen every day

    Magnitude 7 earthquakes happen several times a month, and when one location has an earthquake, the likelyhood of more earthquakes following soon after is much much higher
    >Mag 7 earthquakes do not happen several times a month,there is usually less than 15 per year and the 7.1 just now is only the 5th >Mag7 this year so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Even rarer in the same country too.

    I'm not saying they're related, I'm saying it's quite coincidental. Make of that what you will!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Last recon showed a pressure of 916mb and still falling.

    https://twitter.com/NOAASatellites/status/910241542157295617


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Worrying that there's still seemingly no news coming from Dominica, hopefully a sign that there's been no major damage but it was the same with Barbuda last time and as we saw then, the entire island was flattened with all communication lines down. I see the prime minister had to be rescued after his roof blew off but there's not been any other reports all day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    Worrying that there's still seemingly no news coming from Dominica, hopefully a sign that there's been no major damage but it was the same with Barbuda last time and as we saw then, the entire island was flattened with all communication lines down. I see the prime minister had to be rescued after his roof blew off but there's not been any other reports all day

    I was just reading the thread in the hope there had been some update about Dominica - seems to be nothing more than the Prime Minister's facebook post...which is a bit worrisome. :(
    Roosevelt Skerrit, the prime minister of Dominica, has posted an update on Facebook in which he asks for help for his devastated island:

    Initial reports are of widespread devastation. So far we have lost all what money can buy and replace.

    My greatest fear for the morning is that we will wake to news of serious physical injury and possible deaths as a result of likely landslides triggered by persistent rains.

    So far the winds have swept away the roofs of almost every person I have spoken to or otherwise made contact with. The roof to my own official residence was among the first to go and this apparently triggered an avalanche of torn-away roofs in the city and the countryside.

    Come tomorrow morning we will hit the road, as soon as the all-clear is given, in search of the injured and those trapped in the rubble.

    I am honestly not preoccupied with physical damage at this time, because it is devastating … indeed, mind-boggling. My focus now is in rescuing the trapped and securing medical assistance for the injured.

    We will need help, my friend, we will need help of all kinds.

    It is too early to speak of the condition of the air and seaports, but I suspect both will be inoperable for a few days. That is why I am eager now to solicit the support of friendly nations and organisations with helicopter services, for I personally am eager to get up and get around the country to see and determine what’s needed.

    Taken from HERE


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Some footage here of Dominica, awful situation.

    https://twitter.com/pahowho/status/910227944089559041


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    hawkwing wrote: »
    >Mag 7 earthquakes do not happen several times a month,there is usually less than 15 per year and the 7.1 just now is only the 5th >Mag7 this year so far.

    I phrased it poorly, i meant to say more than once a month. I was basing it off what IRIS say on their website
    On average, Magnitude 2 and smaller earthquakes occur several hundred times a day world wide. Major earthquakes, greater than magnitude 7, happen more than once per month. "Great earthquakes", magnitude 8 and higher, occur about once a year.

    Todays earthquake is an aftershock of the stronger earthquake that happened 11 days ago

    Anyway, all this is off topic because theres no link between earthquakes and hurricanes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    At leas Lee is dissipating, so there may be some relief in that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Nabber wrote: »
    At leas Lee is dissipating, so there may be some relief in that.

    It was just heading out into the Atlantic anyways


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    International Space Station passes over eye of Maria today...

    https://twitter.com/Space_Station/status/910223646702088193


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Nabber wrote: »
    At leas Lee is dissipating, so there may be some relief in that.
    Rikand wrote: »
    It was just heading out into the Atlantic anyways

    The NHC mention the possibility of its remnants reforming a tropical cyclone over the weekend...
    1. A small low pressure area, the remnants of Lee, is producing disorganized shower activity about midway between the Cabo Verde Islands and the Leeward Islands. Environmental conditions could become marginally conducive for redevelopment of a tropical cyclone by the weekend while the system moves northwestward to northward over the central Atlantic Ocean.
    * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
    * Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

    Maria is currently right in the lowest shear area it could be in. Hopefully it catches more shear soon enough.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    What is the 300P? Just a typo or of meteorological significance?

    P99KT means "greater than 99 knots"


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The NHC saying Maria will be at Cat 5 intensity when it moves over the U.S virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, sustained winds of 145 kt / 165mph.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    St. Croix TAF is not too remarkable (highest winds 50 gust 80 knots). Seems low, considering Maria will pass only about 20-30 miles to the south as a Cat 5.

    TISX 191742Z 1918/2018 03020G30KT 5SM -SHRA SCT020 BKN030
    FM192000 02035G50KT 3SM +TSRA SCT020 BKN030CB
    FM192330 01050G80KT 1SM +TSRA SCT020CB BKN030
    FM200300 13050G80KT 1SM +TSRA SCT020CB BKN030
    FM201000 20025G40KT 3SM +TSRA BKN030CB

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Latest recon measuring 909 -910 mb with estimated surface winds of 175mph in Maria's Northern eyewall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    Worrying that there's still seemingly no news coming from Dominica, hopefully a sign that there's been no major damage but it was the same with Barbuda last time and as we saw then, the entire island was flattened with all communication lines down. I see the prime minister had to be rescued after his roof blew off but there's not been any other reports all day

    I saw pictures , including arial, from someone who forwarded them. Place is destroyed, lots of mud slides etc. I'd be shocked if there are no fatalities.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Reading from Levi Cowan ' Only 9 Atlantic hurricanes have had a pressure lower than #Maria's ~909 mb based on 910 mb dropsonde with 14 kt surface wind

    And Maria is still strengthtening over warm deep waters.

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    https://twitter.com/NHC_Atlantic/status/910277443876982784


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Something that could be impacting is that while Irma stirred up the water - which should churn up cooler water that doesn't feed following hurricanes - it only ended up churning more warm water up from beneath. By any chance was anyone looking at the SSTs after Irma passed over?

    http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/

    Oh, found some anyway, although it's only every few days. Bit of cooling in patches in the Carribbean between just before Irma started up and Maria moving in, more cooling in the Gulf which seems to follow Katia's route, I think. Despite all the stirring though, water surface temperatures remained high in terms of SSTAs. If I'm reading that right, which I might not be.


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