Isn't multiculturalism great...

gitzy16v · 15-09-2017 01:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought I answered it before. Think I said Shintoism. Or Buddhism. One of them is the best anyway, obviously.

Not many of those coming to Ireland.You didnt meet any on your multi-cultural adventure the other week.I dont see how your daughter would benefit from those religions when they are not in Ireland in any great numbers at all.

Slippery like an eel Conor,good effort.

15-09-2017 01:34PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Not many of those coming to Ireland.You didnt meet any on your multi-cultural adventure the other week.I dont see how your daughter would benefit from those religions when they are not in Ireland in any great numbers at all.

Slippery like an eel Conor,good effort.

Not at all. I dealt with the question on the level the person who posed it wanted. To specify religions. I think the question was a little flippant. It's like someone saying "exposure to sport is great", someone answering "what sports", and then railing against, say Gaelic Football, if that is the sport that's specified.

I think experiencing other ideas, faiths, lifestyles etc. is good, without dividing it into a "well this faith is good and so we can take in ideas and interact with them, but that one is bad so we should shut it off". Because how on earth would we know of other religions, other ideas at all, without some exposure? Whether it be received through the news, or from meeting them directly? I mean, do you shut down all exposure to any religion, turn off news when the word "Muslim" is mentioned?

15-09-2017 01:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nationalism causes nothing but grief around the world, but she will be exposed to that. And the arts aren't exactly rooted in science, but I hope she has an appreciation for those too. After all, how dull would life be if she grows up saying "well, I do not know the scientific formula that proves that"!

You're some man for dodging a question, I'll give you that much. You should be a politician.

15-09-2017 01:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought I answered it before. Think I said Shintoism. Or Buddhism. One of them is the best anyway, obviously.

Obviously? Really? Shintoism doesn't really jump out to me as a growing religion in Ireland... nor one that irish people are rushing to embrace for its many benefits.

Sure, there are some people interested in Buddhism, Taoism, or Daoism.. but it's hardly becoming a major religious focus here. It's more of the philosophy/meditation than the religion itself.

15-09-2017 01:50PM

I think the OP just liked how it sounded when he said it to be honest.

Anyway, here's what a world with religion would look like.

end of the road · 15-09-2017 01:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Only because you see regulating foreign culture to be a bad thing. I don't. I see it as being necessary in a modern society because we don't have a realistic system for dealing with many cultures, within the same environment, many of which are historically hostile to each other.

Until we have a clear plan for dealing with these hotspots, I'd prefer to see cultural/religious/moralistic influences to be regulated and the host/native culture remaining dominant.

can't be done as it would be against the founding aspects of a free democratic country. the host culture doesn't need regulations against other cultures costing billions to be enforced and still unenforcible to remain dominant.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-09-2017 02:02PM

They slip up, they always do in the end.

15-09-2017 02:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done as it would be against the founding aspects of a free democratic country.

Oh Gosh.. you mean that democratic countries don't shift and change over time? That their laws stay the same as the founding members wished them? Come on. :rolleyes:

the host culture doesn't need regulations against other cultures costing billions to be enforced and still unenforcible to remain dominant.

Nope. I agree with you. The host culture doesn't need what you suggest above. So do it better. I find it amazing that people won't support change simply because they feel it will fail before its even researched, planned, and implemented. Instead it's much better to allow everyone in, have no plans for the future and blame the government when things go bad. Yay!

dav3 · 15-09-2017 02:08PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They slip up, they always do in the end.

Foreigners? You can't trust them, probably plotting behind our backs right now.

Day 6...the thanks keep rising and people are still misinterpreting the OP's comments. Whether it's through stupidity or being done deliberately, no one knows.

Will I Am Not · 15-09-2017 02:27PM

I was listening to a woman on the radio this morning talking about how her neighbour has made her life hell for the past 8 months.

Falsely accused her husband of sexually assaulting his wife. Constantly records and takes photos of her children. Brings her to court over her dog barking and attacking his children, it gets thrown out because he produced 300 images of her children near his property (they live next door). Kidnapped their dog after the case was thrown out (Garda found dog in his house). Verbally abuses her kids.

He was a perfect neighbour up until 8 months ago. Why the sudden change?
The woman's husband asked him how his wife was getting on with her pregnancy.

Luckily Conor bumped into the good ones eh?

The_Kew_Tour · 15-09-2017 02:33PM

dav3 wrote: »

Foreigners? You can't trust them, probably plotting behind our backs right now.

Day 6...the thanks keep rising and people are still misinterpreting the OP's comments. Whether it's through stupidity or being done deliberately, no one knows.

oh, a terror sympathiser talking about nothing related to what I said. Day 6 of more non related stories.;)

jmayo · 15-09-2017 02:43PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Are you afraid to answer that question Conor?
Its been asked multiple time by the same poster and you tried squirming your way out of answering each and every time.

Mush like how no one challenged the polls about how many muslims in Europe want sharia law, or how many actually think homosexuality should be made illegal, when it comes down to it one side can't really challenge some of the facts about islam and muslims.

Now as opposed to the post earlier, if the polls were referenced with material from a right wing tabloid or right wing site the veracity of the polls are always vehemently challenged and dismissed.
It is much harder to do so when the references are one of the bastions of the liberal agenda, the guardian.

When it comes down to it, those of the modern liberal mindset will reach a point where they end up having to adopt a cognitive dissonance to somehow still support an ideology/religion and those who adhere to it.
After all how can a gay person support and clamour for the very mindset that would have them made illegal ?
Likewise how can a very liberal person support one of the most discriminatory conservative belief systems out there or how can a feminist support those who believe in misogyny and the subjugation of women and girls ?
Turkeys voting for christmas is an apt description.

Omackeral wrote: »

You're some man for dodging a question, I'll give you that much. You should be a politician.

Ahh the bould conor was more interested in helping politicians get elected if memory serves me right.

JupiterKid · 15-09-2017 03:08PM

I'm about the same age as the OP and I generally agree that immigration has been a good thing for Ireland. It has made us a more cosmopolitan and diverse society.

I can remember a time when a non-white person was a very rare sight in Dublin or anywhere in the country. When the first non-white family (an Indian doctor and his family) moved onto our street back in the mid 80s it was a pretty big thing. But most people on our road made them feel very welcome.

Multiculturalism has its limits. It's apparent that certain groups are not integrating and that is a big problem. Integration is key and immigrants must respect the laws and customs of their host societies.

But it seems any questioning of unfettered immigration is seen as racism etc by those on the left.

Bygumbo · 15-09-2017 04:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

...today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet Slovakian friends with their kids. Also met my cousin and his African partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my Turkish Muslim barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing diversity and cultures that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good.

I really don't understand this comment at all. Its a non-statement. Just swap out some of the words and you see how it has no meaning.

"today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet her big-nosed friends with their kids. Also met my big-nosed cousin and his big-nosed partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my big-nosed barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing big-nosed people that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good."

So its obvious the poster likes big-noses, and thinks its great that in the future there will be more big noses. But.........WHY?

Whats so great about big-noses? What effect will it have that is so beneficial? Whats the selling point here? Why are others praising such a non-statement? Would the poster have been less pleased around irish people, (because that's the obvious indictment)?

So many questions!

Bygumbo · 15-09-2017 04:04PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

What is boring about it? People wanting to keep Greece Greek or Spain Spanish or France French. Nothing wrong with it at all.

You must be picking me up wrong. Its a pleasure to go to a foreign country and experience different culture. Or in other words, its nice to go to spain and see their Spanish culture.

What I find very boring is going to the likes of New York and London, a mish-mash of everything that blends into sameness. To me they are interchangeable, and therefore don't see the point in going there.

Mr. teddywinkles · 15-09-2017 04:09PM

Bygumbo wrote: »

You must be picking me up wrong. Its a pleasure to go to a foreign country and experience different culture. Or in other words, its nice to go to spain and see their Spanish culture.

What I find very boring is going to the likes of New York and London, a mish-mash of everything that blends into sameness. To me they are interchangeable, and therefore don't see the point in going there.

This times a million. If ya want to experience different cultures travel. Complete bollixoligy the rest of it.

A Little Pony · 15-09-2017 04:16PM

Bygumbo wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

What is boring about it? People wanting to keep Greece Greek or Spain Spanish or France French. Nothing wrong with it at all.

You must be picking me up wrong. Its a pleasure to go to a foreign country and experience different culture. Or in other words, its nice to go to spain and see their Spanish culture.

What I find very boring is going to the likes of New York and London, a mish-mash of everything that blends into sameness. To me they are interchangeable, and therefore don't see the point in going there.

I agree with that, which is why I don't go to London.

gw80 · 15-09-2017 04:46PM

Bygumbo wrote: »

That's something Ive thought of before too, the whole thing about everything becoming the same. Its a strange contradiction. In my opinion the world would become utterly boring.

I cant imagine going on a holiday to wherever only to step off the plane and see the same shops, the same people, the same attitudes. All bland and sameness everywhere.

What a boring future.

No no, you have nothing to worry about, as long as you go outside of Europe you will find plenty of diversity and culture,
Its only in Europe where we are not allowed have our own culture or identity,

15-09-2017 05:48PM

Bygumbo wrote: »

I really don't understand this comment at all. Its a non-statement. Just swap out some of the words and you see how it has no meaning.

"today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet her big-nosed friends with their kids. Also met my big-nosed cousin and his big-nosed partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my big-nosed barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing big-nosed people that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good."

So its obvious the poster likes big-noses, and thinks its great that in the future there will be more big noses. But.........WHY?

Whats so great about big-noses? What effect will it have that is so beneficial? Whats the selling point here? Why are others praising such a non-statement? Would the poster have been less pleased around irish people, (because that's the obvious indictment)?

So many questions!

It is surely no more valid nor invalid than "today I had a bad experience with (any group)". This site certainly doesn't have some policy of only giving the bad news.

And you can even use people with big noses as a group...I'd have to be charitable anyway as that's MY demographic...

15-09-2017 05:52PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

I was listening to a woman on the radio this morning talking about how her neighbour has made her life hell for the past 8 months.

Falsely accused her husband of sexually assaulting his wife. Constantly records and takes photos of her children. Brings her to court over her dog barking and attacking his children, it gets thrown out because he produced 300 images of her children near his property (they live next door). Kidnapped their dog after the case was thrown out (Garda found dog in his house). Verbally abuses her kids.

He was a perfect neighbour up until 8 months ago. Why the sudden change?
The woman's husband asked him how his wife was getting on with her pregnancy.

Luckily Conor bumped into the good ones eh?

Neighbours?

None of the people I met last Saturday are my neighbour. We have great neighbours..I've just come home to see the fellow next door has strimmed all the grass in a shared entrance, and that's a lot of strimming, so will drop off a bottle of wine later.

I just didn't meet them last Saturday.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-09-2017 06:16PM

In fairness I have become extremely close to the Poles and the Latvians in my local community. Poland in particular has become my second home. When I was first asked over I thought why the fcuk would I want to go to Poland.

However once there I fell in love with the place and now make regular trips. I want to become fluent in the language next as I could see myself making the move permanent one day.

jackofalltrades · 15-09-2017 06:56PM

Shenshen wrote: »

So even though only one person in the OP may possibly be a Muslim, this is what the discussion will center around.

It's almost as if the OP planned it that way. :pac:

Deleted User wrote: »

And that's a valid opinion. I have a different one.

Which is that exposure to different cultures and religions is a good thing. Much like one might say "travel is a good thing" and someone else might say "it's not, you can see India on tv". Neither is really more...correct.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
You may be of the opinion that it's a good thing, but you can't say that it is inherently a good thing.

The_Kew_Tour · 15-09-2017 06:58PM

Poland is beautiful. Not for me to live there wise but cracking spot and people are nice

Bygumbo · 15-09-2017 07:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It is surely no more valid nor invalid than "today I had a bad experience with (any group)". This site certainly doesn't have some policy of only giving the bad news.

And you can even use people with big noses as a group...I'd have to be charitable anyway as that's MY demographic...

But that's not the same thing?

"I went to the park today and saw some pigeons, and I like that" is kind of weird, lacking any reason.

"I went to the park today and saw some pigeons, and I like that because it reminds me of good times from my childhood playing in the park with my grandfather". That makes sense.

So if youre bothered, WHY was it so great to go to the park and see people of different nationalities? What impact did it have on you? Do you prefer that over only irish people in the park? How did the child with you benefit? How will the child benefit from it in the future?

I keep hearing through politics and social media that "multiculturalism is great", but that's as deep as any explanation ever goes. Why is it great? And your statement echoes that (in my opinion) vapid political statement.

Maybe you can tell me and help clear it up.

Mr. teddywinkles · 15-09-2017 07:46PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In fairness I have become extremely close to the Poles and the Latvians in my local community. Poland in particular has become my second home. When I was first asked over I thought why the fcuk would I want to go to Poland.

However once there I fell in love with the place and now make regular trips. I want to become fluent in the language next as I could see myself making the move permanent one day.

That's grand. The poles keep their culture and heritage and we'll keep ours. How's that sound.

15-09-2017 07:51PM

Bygumbo wrote: »

So if youre bothered, WHY was it so great to go to the park and see people of different nationalities? What impact did it have on you? Do you prefer that over only irish people in the park? How did the child with you benefit? How will the child benefit from it in the future?.

I'm not in the least bit bothered! I'm happy to leave my post as it stands, in fact as some have complained about an obvious subtext and you complain about the banality, I'm even happier to leave it. As a very recently joined member yourself, you'll soon appreciate that this forum has no bar on profundity or levity or how far a point needs to be developed. And there is room for threads about big noses and pigeon watching.

Bygumbo · 15-09-2017 08:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not in the least bit bothered! I'm happy to leave my post as it stands, in fact as some have complained about an obvious subtext and you complain about the banality, I'm even happier to leave it. As a very recently joined member yourself, you'll soon appreciate that this forum has no bar on profundity or levity or how far a point needs to be developed. And there is room for threads about big noses and pigeon watching.

Sounds like an experiment :P I'll start a new thread on the big-nosed variation of your post.

Any predictions as to how it will materialise?

Will I get a hundred "likes"?

Will it be taken down?

fyfe79 · 15-09-2017 08:14PM

ban resistant recalcitrant debutant wrote: »

Multiculturalism in Ireland has indeed made Ireland more diverse, from some points of view.

But, there was far more diversity in the world 30 years ago compared to today. Globalisation of people and culture reduces diversity.

Mixing things together reduces diversity and makes everything the same.

Irish culture will fail as a living culture and will instead only exist as a twee memory for tourists.

Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan?

I liken 'multiculturism' to a fad which is interesting for a short period of time before becoming boring for a long long time after. Some people feel that old Ireland was/is boring and stale due to lack of diversity. How great then to add new cultures and become more 'international'. However, what if every country did likewise? Interesting for a generation or two, sure, but give it a few hundred years and every country will be the same. No such thing as minorities, no nations possibly, nothing unique or passionate about any far-flung land that you may visit, so why bother visit? Each territory with the same type people governed by the same type of government, if not the same government. It is the new world order.

For the record, I'm all for integration and totally against multiculturism (from my understanding of that word: different cultures entering a foreign land and refusing to blend with that society, refusing to learn their language, refusing to respect their laws and customs etc). People coming to any foreign land should assimilate into that lands' culture. You wouldn't invite yourself into someone's house and tell them their carpets are sh*t, would you?

15-09-2017 08:28PM

Bygumbo wrote: »

Sounds like an experiment :P I'll start a new thread on the big-nosed variation of your post.

Any predictions as to how it will materialise?

Will I get a hundred "likes"?

Will it be taken down?

I'll support it anyway, you'll only need 99 more likes after mine!

Bygumbo · 15-09-2017 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll support it anyway, you'll only need 99 more likes after mine!

Youre behind the times, man, 0nly 98 to go

Isn't multiculturalism great...

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