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Christian parents 'to sue school' coz boy in son's class was allowed to wear dress

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    #422
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what am i missing?

    Believe it or not, the media exaggerated/lied about it. The couple came out during the week and confirmed they are not, and never were, suing the school.


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    #423
    MadDog76
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Treated how?

    I have no idea ......... no more than I would have any idea how to treat schizophrenia or leukaemia or psychosis or bronchitis etc.


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    #424
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    Believe it or not, the media exaggerated/lied about it. The couple came out during the week and confirmed they are not, and never were, suing the school.

    do they didnt engage lawyers then? they didnt try to attract publicity for themselves?


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    #425
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do they didnt engage lawyers then? they didnt try to attract publicity for themselves?

    :rolleyes: I've no idea, what has that to do with anything?


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    #426
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    :rolleyes: I've no idea, what has that to do with anything?


    well that is a little more than just simply disagreeing with what is happening. I see plenty of things i disagree with every day. i dont engage lawyers or go to the press.


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    #427
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well that is a little more than just simply disagreeing with what is happening. I see plenty of things i disagree with every day. i dont engage lawyers or go to the press.

    I'm not sure who you are trying to reply to, because this is the second post of mine you've quoted, but have mentioned something I didn't post.

    Who mentioned anything about simply disagreeing?


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    #428
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    I'm not sure who you are trying to reply to, because this is the second post of mine you've quoted, but have mentioned something I didn't post.

    Who mentioned anything about simply disagreeing?


    you quoted me first. try to keep track of what you are replying to.


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    #429
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you quoted me first. try to keep track of what you are replying to.

    :D:D:D Riiiight.


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    #430
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    :D:D:D Riiiight.


    so this isn't the post that started off this little sidetrack?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104678811&postcount=418

    i find the quality of a post is inversely proportional to the number of emojis.


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    #431
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so this isn't the post that started off this little sidetrack?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104678811&postcount=418

    i find the quality of a post is inversely proportional to the number of emojis.


    You said they are suing which is going beyond disagreement. I told you they aren't suing. You tried to move the goalposts. I laughed at you.


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    #432
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    You said they are suing which is going beyond disagreement. I told you they aren't suing. You tried to move the goalposts. I laughed at you.


    i quoted the newpaper article. nothing more. they exaggerated which is not unusual. but the parents engaged a lawyers and courted publicity which is a totally overblown reaction. i can see now why you seem to support them.


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    #433
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you are posting in a thread about a guy who wants to sue a school because a kid is being let be whatever they want to be. that goes a little beyond disagreement.

    Oh the parents are idiots for wanting to sue the school,make no mistake about it. My first post in this thread was "is there nothing to be said for normality and common sense". I stand by that!


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    #434
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i quoted the newpaper article. nothing more. they exaggerated which is not unusual. but the parents engaged a lawyers and courted publicity which is a totally overblown reaction.

    No wonder they engaged a lawyer with extremists like yourself after them.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i can see now why you seem to support them.

    I don't think you see anything at all you are so blinded by you ideology.


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    #435
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    No wonder they engaged a lawyer with extremists like yourself after them.



    I don't think you see anything at all you are so blinded by you ideology.


    no ideology. just live and let live.


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    #436
    ohnonotgmail
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Oh the parents are idiots for wanting to sue the school,make no mistake about it. My first post in this thread was "is there nothing to be said for normality and common sense". I stand by that!


    ah normality and common sense. once it is your normality and common sense, presumably?


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    #438
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    ah normality and common sense. once it is your normality and common sense, presumably?

    Nah, just normal normality i.e. not letting kids about 3 years out of nappies decide their own pronouns etc.

    If my own nephew wants to be Dora while we play, that's cool. I'm not gonna legitimise the notion that everyone else has to think he's a Mexican explorer.


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    #439
    ohnonotgmail
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Nah, just normal normality i.e. not letting kids about 3 years out of nappies decide their own pronouns etc.

    if a kid decides they want to be a called a pink unicorn how is that any concern of yours?


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    #440
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    if a kid decides they want to be a called a pink unicorn how is that any concern of yours?

    It's my concern if my kid has to conform to it. You're not far off with your unicorn idea though, everyone has to absolutely be a special unique starlet now.


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    #441
    ohnonotgmail
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    It's my concern if my kid has to conform to it. You're not far off with your unicorn idea though, everyone has to absolutely be a special unique starlet now.


    kid doesnt have to conform to anything. the kid is being allowed to be what they want to be. if they want to be a pink unicorn today and something else tomorrow then let them at it. the alternative is forcing them to conform to "normality" which i dont see as being in any way healthy.


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    #442
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    kid doesnt have to conform to anything. the kid is being allowed to be what they want to be. if they want to be a pink unicorn today and something else tomorrow then let them at it. the alternative is forcing them to conform to "normality" which i dont see as being in any way healthy.

    In the Wondrous Land Of Make Believe. However in the real world, all of us, kids and adults, need to conform to rules and norms, or things will quickly get out of control. While it's lovely to allow every little snowflake to be whatever they want, unfortunately somebody has to be Johnny Normal, cos things will get out of control. Harsh I know, but that's the way the real world works.


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    #443
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    if a kid decides they want to be a called a pink unicorn how is that any concern of yours?

    I don't care if the child wants to be called a pink unicorn. That's grand. Kids will be kids. It's when adults and teachers tell me and my kids that we MUST recognise this child as whatever they say they are, nah. I'm not taking what a child in senior infants has to say as absolute gospel. If you and yours want to do that, fine, that's your prerogative. Not for me.


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    #444
    ohnonotgmail
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    Gravelly wrote: »
    In the Wondrous Land Of Make Believe. However in the real world, all of us, kids and adults, need to conform to rules and norms, or things will quickly get out of control. While it's lovely to allow every little snowflake to be whatever they want, unfortunately somebody has to be Johnny Normal, cos things will get out of control. Harsh I know, but that's the way the real world works.


    LOL. the kid wants to wear a dress. the rest of the world needs to get over it. the only snowflakes are the ones who want kids to conform to their idea of normality.


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    #445
    ohnonotgmail
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    I don't care if the child wants to be called a pink unicorn. That's grand. Kids will be kids. It's when adults and teachers tell me and my kids that we MUST recognise this child as whatever they say they are, nah. I'm not taking what a child in senior infants has to say as absolute gospel. If you and yours want to do that, fine, that's your prerogative. Not for me.

    why are you so offended by being asked to call a kid by the pronoun they prefer? Perhaps you could just ignore the child completely. that would probably make them a lot happier.


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    #446
    Gravelly
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    LOL. the kid wants to wear a dress. the rest of the world needs to get over it. the only snowflakes are the ones who want kids to conform to their idea of normality.

    What if next week the kid wants to come to school dressed as Hitler? Or balls naked? Is that ok too, cos, like, down with normality dude.


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    #447
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    kid doesnt have to conform to anything. the kid is being allowed to be what they want to be. if they want to be a pink unicorn today and something else tomorrow then let them at it. the alternative is forcing them to conform to "normality" which i dont see as being in any way healthy.

    Yeah it's grand for make believe. Indulge their sense of wonder. Great. Nobody is being a fun nazi. When it comes to forms and stats and things, time to be sensible and maybe leave the wild dragons off the census.


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    #448
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    why are you so offended by being asked to call a kid by the pronoun they prefer? Perhaps you could just ignore the child completely. that would probably make them a lot happier.

    What's with the charged language? I'm not offended, I just don't recognise it as literal. And if you read my posts, I indulge my nephew in his fun role playing games. But that's all it is, make believe and fantasy are an integral part of growing up and childhood. I encourage it.


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    #449
    silverharp
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    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I don't think that works, nobody is doubting the status of a disabled person. they are still clearly male or female. Until someone's DNA and brain can be rewired a trans person is still either male or female. The average guy is not going to consider a trans person female from the get go in terms of dating but may do to be polite where its no skin off his nose.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #450
    ceadaoin.
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    LOL. the kid wants to wear a dress. the rest of the world needs to get over it. the only snowflakes are the ones who want kids to conform to their idea of normality.

    The irony is though that by insisting that a boy wearing a dress is actually a girl, society's idea of normality is being enforced ie: only a girl can wear a dress

    Wouldn't it be better to say that boys can wear dresses and still be boys, rather than force children to go along with the lie that x is sometimes a girl and sometimes a boy? The current transgender ideology is peddling regressive gender stereotypes and claiming that they are progressive


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    #451
    PandaPoo
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    My son started in an educate together school last year. Every few weeks a mother posts on the Facebook page for the parents to say her son will be wearing a dress and jojo bow into school so could we all make sure to tell our children not to make fun of him.
    She says he's still trying to figure himself out and she's isn't sure if it's permanent or just an expression of how he feels on the day. Along with a paragraph about how we as a society are putting children in boxes they don't fit into.
    This results in dozens of people telling her how amazing she is to let him express himself and hes so lucky to have her as a mother.
    She's a vegan hippy that doesn't shave and annoys everyone at bake sales by insisting everyone brings vegan friendly stuff. A head wreck in other words.

    Why do people have to use their children as pawns to show how progressive they are?! It's infuriating. She's doing it for attention, and the boy is the unhappiest child I've ever seen. Always saying his mam wont let him do x y and z, basically anything boyish. At the sign up day for after school activities he asked if he could do football and she told him no he's doing cooking and he threw a wobbler.


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