Christian parents 'to sue school' coz boy in son's class was allowed to wear dress

Sweetemotion · 13-09-2017 11:42PM

Kayshee123 wrote: »

This is a joke.. The parents are completely reacting over something so miniscule.. How does a student in the class wearing a dress affect the education of their children?

It effects the education of the class by defining a young male who wears a dress is now actually a real girl.

Kayshee123 · 13-09-2017 11:46PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It effects the education of the class by defining a young male who wears a dress is now actually a real girl.

And how is that a problem? Let people be who they want to be

Sweetemotion · 13-09-2017 11:47PM

Kayshee123 wrote: »

And how is that a problem? Let people be who they want to be

That works great in fantasy land but in the real world you are doing more damage than good.

Annasopra · 13-09-2017 11:50PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Nobody is denying the reality of gender dysphoria.

This is an 8 year old child joey.

Maddog is.

I'm well aware that we are talking about children. Trans children exist.

Annasopra · 13-09-2017 11:50PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Oh it's real alright but it should be treated as opposed to being pandered to which seems to be the new trend.

Treated how?

Sweetemotion · 13-09-2017 11:52PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Treated how?

Until they fully understand the choices they are about to make.

kylith · 13-09-2017 11:52PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It effects the education of the class by defining a young male who wears a dress is now actually a real girl.

How does a lad in a dress impact on the ability to learn maths, or reading?

Sweetemotion · 13-09-2017 11:54PM

kylith wrote: »

How does a lad in a dress impact on the ability to learn maths, or reading?

It's not just a lad in the dress...

Annasopra · 13-09-2017 11:54PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Until they fully understand the choices they are about to make.

I asked that question of another poster.

Sweetemotion · 13-09-2017 11:56PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I asked that question of another poster.

Ha ha :pac:

Kayshee123 · 13-09-2017 11:56PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

That works great in fantasy land but in the real world you are doing more damage than good.

You obviously don't understand transgender people.. People should be allowed to identify as whichever gender they wish and not have to conform to what society tells them that their gender is. Just because they look like a male doesn't mean that they are one.

Sweetemotion · 13-09-2017 11:57PM

Kayshee123 wrote: »

You obviously don't understand transgender people.. People should be allowed to identify as whichever gender they wish and not have to conform to what society tells them that their gender is. Just because they look like a male doesn't mean that they are one.

These are 8 year children who have no concept of what gender is.

kylith · 14-09-2017 12:01AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It's not just a lad in the dress...

Does it impact the ability to learn maths or reading?

Sweetemotion · 14-09-2017 12:04AM

kylith wrote: »

Does it impact the ability to learn maths or reading?

It does when the teacher has to explain to a group of 8 year olds. To please refer to johnny as Johnny when he is wearing trousers as a boy but when he is wearing a dress call him Jane, because he is a real girl.

Do you not think that is going to impact on maths and reading time?

Kayshee123 · 14-09-2017 12:10AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

These are 8 year children who have no concept of what gender is.

How do you know that if you're not in their shoes yourself?

Kayshee123 · 14-09-2017 12:11AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It does when the teacher has to explain to a group of 8 year olds. To please refer to johnny as Johnny when he is wearing trousers as a boy but when he is wearing a dress call him Jane, because he is a real girl.

Do you not think that is going to impact on maths and reading time?

How should someone's appearance affect how other people in the class learn?

Annasopra · 14-09-2017 12:13AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It does when the teacher has to explain to a group of 8 year olds. To please refer to johnny as Johnny when he is wearing trousers as a boy but when he is wearing a dress call him Jane, because he is a real girl.

Do you not think that is going to impact on maths and reading time?

how?

Annasopra · 14-09-2017 12:15AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Ha ha :pac:

Sorry you have lost me. Maddog said transgender people should be treated. I asked him to expand on what he meant. Your contribution was not relevant at all because I wasnt specifically asking you.

FixdePitchmark · 14-09-2017 12:48AM

The issue I have with all this stuff - is it is very new and a fairly radical departure. The toilet issue - kids defining themselves as women when a 6 year old boy - when there are hormonal, biological, genetic realities and social norms. We sort of have to leave our logical brain to the side to go along with these new ideas.

Yet if you offer any sort of traditional view , you are a monster, a right wing lunatic, a bigoted sexist.
I'll listen to any view - but it is very scary when you meet these crusaders - they are crazy.

Yet - there are real deprivation issues - poverty and lack of opportunity issues all around us. It seems some of these (gender) issues are middle class privileged educated liberals - and have got a bit blind , to real issues. They should probably spend a day or so in an underprivileged school in say Darndale - The social movements of modern life are selfish movements - they lack any real philanthropic aspect. It is all , I'm liberal and I want this even If I don't want this. It is for my friend in college I spoke to about this once. And My daughter Zoe should not have to wear a dress , even if she wants to.

It is all a bit crazy and selfish - It typically lacks authenticity. It is sort of , I want it now , and the world should work to my cause du jour . The cake up the North, was the day they lost any sort of moderate sense.

I understand , the need for the extreme gender and feminist movement.

But - the aggressive nature of it and refusal to respect the realities of society, Is just too much.

I'd imagine there will be a serious back lash.

Your almost getting to a point - there will be no male sport - as that is sexist or lacking gender neutrality. It has gone beyond the beyond.

A Battered Mars Bar · 14-09-2017 12:50AM

The f**king obsession with forcing young boys to dress and act like girls these days lol.

AMKC · 14-09-2017 12:56AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Glad you brought up forcing opinions on others ......... that's something that seems to go hand in hand with the current fluid gender fad.

I do not think it is a fad or that they are all forced but there might be a few maybe where the parents wanted a girl instead of a boy or vice-versa and in that case then yes it is wrong but if the boy or girl wants to be the opposite sex and clearly displays signs of being more like the other sex well then yes its no harm for a specialist psychiatrist to check them out and do the tests and decide if the child is indeed meant to be of the opposite sex. I see nothing wrong with that. I think its great that they have that choice so young as the younger they start the better the outcome.
I think there is very few parents that would force there child to have a sex change not just because forcing them would be wrong but because I am sure most parents life's are hectic enough and expensive enough without having to go through all of that.

FixdePitchmark · 14-09-2017 01:02AM

AMKC wrote: »

I do not think it is a fad or that they are all forced but there might be a few maybe where the parents wanted a girl instead of a boy or vice-versa and in that case then yes it is wrong but if the boy or girl wants to be the opposite sex and clearly displays signs of being more like the other sex well then yes its no harm for a specialist psychiatrist to check them out and do the tests and decide if the child is indeed meant to be of the opposite sex. I see nothing wrong with that. I think its great that they have that choice so young as the younger they start the better the outcome.
I think there is very few parents that would force there child to have a sex change not just because forcing them would be but because I am sure most parents life's are hectic enough and expensive enough without having to go through all of that.

And they said the Christian Brothers were crazy.

It is very worrying that kids could be exposed to attitudes like above.

Hopefully we have very strong laws to protect children from this dangerous fad. We are getting to a point we need to protect children from crazy liberals.

Johnny/Joan played with a doll - he/she needs to start with psychiatrist. :eek:

AMKC · 14-09-2017 01:19AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

And they said the Christian Brothers were crazy.

It is very worrying that kids could be exposed to attitudes like above.

Hopefully we have very strong laws to protect children from this dangerous fad. We are getting to a point we need to protect children from crazy liberals.

Johnny/Joan played with a doll - he/she needs to start with psychiatrist. :eek:

Whats crazy about that? If the child is behaving like a girl and acts like a girl even do it is supposed to be a boy just because it looks like one then maybe that child wants to be a girl and grow up to be a women. You could try a leave and try to force the child to wear trousers even do the child does not want to thats worse. What if that means that child is then not happy lives on unhappy life and then has to start the sex change later even do the parents new he was not and he and clearly not happy being a he. He can still turn into the woman he wants to be but not as easy. Some might not even get that far they might do something that there is no recovery from like suicide because they were forced to be something they are not because of how they look and because society says so. Children are a lot smarter and much cleverer now than they were 20 or 30 years ago and they are more sure of their self's now to then previous generations were.

Spider Web · 14-09-2017 01:25AM

Could it not be waited until the child is past puberty and able to make a more informed assessment as to what their sexuality or gender is?

My friend has been told by a psychologist that her 15-year-old son is likely gay (he attended the psychologist due to the damage from being severely bullied) and he is going on a bit about girls and has started meeting up with a girl and so on, but the psychologist was adamant it's very likely he is gay. The young fella probably just doesn't know yet, so his mother is not saying anything. Even though she trusts the psychologist's judgement, she will leave her son figure it out himself (and it's not one hundred per cent definite anyway, but nearly there apparently). And the psychologist agrees with that approach - what good would it do to say to a teenager who thinks he likes girls "Well actually, you're more than likely gay". Let him work it out himself if it is the case. He'll realise soon enough.

FixdePitchmark · 14-09-2017 01:29AM

AMKC wrote: »

Whats crazy about that? If the child is behaving like a girl and acts like a girl even do it is supposed to be a boy just because it looks like one then maybe that child wants to be a girl and grow up to be a women. You could try a leave and try to force the child to wear trousers even do the child does not want to thats worse. What if that means that child is then not happy lives on unhappy life and then has to start the sex change later even do the parents new he was not and he and clearly not happy being a he. He can still turn into the woman he wants to be but not as easy. Some might not even get that far they might do something that there is no recovery from like suicide because they were forced to be something they are not because of how they look and because society says so. Children are a lot smarter and much cleverer now than they were 20 or 30 years ago and they are more sure of their self's now to then previous generations were.

OK - the point is they are a child and the mind is not formed.

So far my child has wanted to be a car
an astronaut
a dinosaur
Harry potter
A Pokemon
Kill his sister.

I'm hoping he doesn't commit suicide as he couldn't do all above.

This fad is now playing games with genetics and biology.

It is crazy stuff and hopefully control can be put on these lunatic parents.

FixdePitchmark · 14-09-2017 01:31AM

Spider Web wrote: »

Could it not be waited until the child is past puberty and able to make a more informed assessment as to what their sexuality or gender is?

My friend has been told by a psychologist that her 15-year-old son is likely gay (he attended the psychologist due to the damage from being severely bullied) and he is going on a bit about girls and has started meeting up with a girl and so on, but the psychologist was adamant it's very likely he is gay. The young fella probably just doesn't know yet, so she is not saying anything. Even though she trusts the psychologist's judgement, she will leave her son figure it out himself (and it's not one hundred per cent definite anyway, but nearly there apparently). And the psychologist agrees with that approach - what good would it do to say to a teenager who thinks he likes girls "Well actually, you're more than likely gay". Let him work it out himself if it is the case. He'll realise soon enough.

Quick , drug him and get him on hormones as per these lunatics.

end of the road · 14-09-2017 01:42AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

OK - the point is they are a child and the mind is not formed.

So far my child has wanted to be a car
an astronaut
a dinosaur
Harry potter
A Pokemon
Kill his sister.

I'm hoping he doesn't commit suicide as he couldn't do all above.

This fad is now playing games with genetics and biology.

It is crazy stuff and hopefully control can be put on these lunatic parents.

it's not a fad. it's realism. it can't be stopped and one will have to get used to it as it's not going anywhere.

_Whimsical_ · 14-09-2017 02:11AM

end of the road wrote: »

it's not a fad. it's realism. it can't be stopped and one will have to get used to it as it's not going anywhere.

If some non Trans children get caught in its orbit though, as some people always do, vulnerable people, people with mental health problems, children of parents with problems, the consequences are potentially horrific for the child .It's one area where a mistake would be so enormously awful that we should surely err on the side of extreme caution.

ceadaoin. · 14-09-2017 04:15AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

If some non Trans children get caught in its orbit though, as some people always do, vulnerable people, people with mental health problems, children of parents with problems, the consequences are potentially horrific for the child .It's one area where a mistake would be so enormously awful that we should surely err on the side of extreme caution.

Any studies that have been conducted show that 60-90% of children who think they might be transgender, do not identity as such as adults. Most turn out to be gay and "cis". This new trend of allowing gender non conforming children to socially transition or even start on puberty blockers (which are used off label in children and noone knows the long term effects of this although evidence suggests they are dangerous) or cross sex hormones is going to result in a whole bunch of infertile and unhappy adults

Here is a link showing the studies and results

http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

14-09-2017 06:52AM

Last year my nephew was obsessed with Dora the Explorer and went around calling himself Dora. Dora everything. I'd indulge him and I'd be his companion Boots the Monkey and we'd go off looking for treasure and such. He loved acting like her and doing the role plays. Loved it. If some of the people here were his parents though, they'd probably make their minds up that he was "identifying" as Dora and should be also identified as such by all in school.

That was when he was 5. Now he's 6 and he's transitioned to an anthromorphic hedgehog named Sonic.

Christian parents 'to sue school' coz boy in son's class was allowed to wear dress

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