Christian parents 'to sue school' coz boy in son's class was allowed to wear dress

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

In fairness the medical profession isnt exactly doing this routinely either. It is 1 Doctor.

That's true. Thankfully the majority of doctors can see that allowing children to make such life altering decisions is madness. Who knows how long they will be able to refuse to prescribe hormones though given that transgender pressure groups have been demanding that the NHS scrap what they say is the "arbitrary" age limit of 16 for hormone treatment. These groups don't seem to care about the well being of children, only furthering their agenda

gitzy16v wrote: »

I doubt the kid in question is Polynesian or wearing a Polynesian skirt.
You and I know what's happening in this instance and IMO it's a disgrace that an 8 yr old has been put in the public spotlight(public as in school with a skirt in front of his peers) by his irresponsible parents.
It's nothing to do with culture,it's every thing to do with the parents trying to be uber liberal and using their young child to do it.
Poor child is going to have a tough childhood now,even tougher than dealing with his feelings of being a girl because of the self righteous,ultra pc parents

But he hasn't! He's been put out in public by the parents of a kid so much a snowflake that he was apparently so traumatised by the sight of a boy in a dress that he had to be removed from school and they are now threatening to sue!

Why is no-one up in arms about the fact that that kid's parents have raised him to be so sheltered and repressed that he can't cope with the sight of someone acting differently? Let's just hope he never encounters a Pride march, his head might explode.

MadDog76 wrote: »

By "not allow" I mean I won't stand idly by and keep my opinion to myself ......... for example, if my kids come home and say "our teacher told us today that it's ok for boys to wear dresses ........ ", I'll reply with "your teacher is wrong."

Going to be real sh!tty for your son if he wants to wear dresses, isn't it? It's attitudes like that that have transvestite men hiding away ashamed of themselves and contributing to the depression and high suicide rates amongst trans, transvestite, and homosexual young people.

kylith wrote: »

But he hasn't! He's been put out in public by the parents of a kid so much a snowflake that he was apparently so traumatised by the sight of a boy in a dress that he had to be removed from school and they are now threatening to sue!

Why is no-one up in arms about the fact that that kid's parents have raised him to be so sheltered and repressed that he can't cope with the sight of someone acting differently? Let's just hope he never encounters a Pride march, his head might explode.

I'm not so sure it's just about the fact the boy was wearing a dress. From what I can gather the kids were told that depending on what the child was wearing on any given day, they were to be treated as if they were a boy or a girl. So different pronouns and maybe even a different name was to be used.

I could certainly see why a young child would find this confusing and distressing. Also if the following quote is accurate, any child inadvertently using the wrong pronouns or name on the given day would be treated as if they were "transphobic" and punished.

The school in question said transgender pupils were protected under the Equalities Act of 2010, and that it had policies in place to tackle transphobic behaviour. It defined transphobia as including a failure to use a person’s adopted name or to accept he or she was a “real” boy or girl

roddy15 wrote: »

I don't think I'd argue against any of this but I don't have time to go round to individual claims. Reddit should obviously not be scientific evidence. I find journals that pose as legitimate far more egregious though since people in many cases haven't dug beneath the skin to see the flawed science and to someone glancing at these "scientific" journals they come across as sound science.

The problem is I fear people who post dodgy science be it the AAPS or anecdotal blogs are doing so just to advance their own opinion when neither is worthy enough to be called "scientific evidence" or "hard facts". Kind of off-topic but this sort of stuff needs to be taught in schools somehow though this could easily be exploited to suit agendas....

It is a good point and I appreciate the post, I would say the argument here is far broader than left/right politics though and don't think any insinuations, deliberate or not, that just the "hard right" feel a certain way is unhelpful. Regardless of one linked article.

tea and coffee wrote: »

What were the odds of boys in both of their kid's classes coming in to school wearing dresses?

Maybe they withdrew the first one and a child in the second class didn't like their son and wore the dress in the hopes that the parent would remove him?

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I agree with you. Girls are given the freedom to give full vent to every aspect of their personality without question and boys should be too. Some girls are gentle and retiring other girls are loud and physical in their play. Some boys are sensitive and shy others are rowdy and boisterous. We would have a much better world and much happier men if we could nurture every boy through childhood in the way he needs it, encouraging his talents and traits whatever they are, telling him there's lots of ways to be a man, because that's true. You can be the soccer guy, the guy who cries at movies and writes poetry, the guy whose into his appearance or the guy only talks power tools.
However instead of bringing that about the trans movement is stymying it, it's doing the opposite, it's imposing labels and very prescriptive notions of gender on small children who are just exploring life, who haven't a clue what male or female means. "Oh you enjoyed frozen and now you want to play princesses with your sister? How can you be a real boy? or are you trans?".

Why can't we leave them to play and explore without putting them in positions of making public statements ?Why open them up to judgement of any sort? Why give them the idea it's a decision they need to make.
We wouldn't even let them decide what to eat, what religion to be, what tv they watch.

I agree with you that the trans movement may be too quick to latch onto things like this and, in an effort to be open and inclusive, read more into a situation than is warranted. This boy _may_ be trans, or he might just like wearing a frock, or he may just have seen a girl get special treatment and 'decided' that he wants to be a girl and next week he'll want to be a rally driver or an astronaut.

Whatever it is, it's not helped by people getting freaked out about 'omg dresses are for girls!' If everyone cared a bit less about how the fabric someone is clothed in is sewn together things like this would run their course and no-one would be scarred for life by it.

Lol at the religious family forgetting that Jesus wouldn't have even known what trousers were, though.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think it's inappropriate to support such a thing in young children who have no clue of the concept of gender/sexuality in the context being discussed here among adults.

It may just be a phase, or it may be something deeper, but either way allowing a young boy to wear a dress is exposing them to more harm than good by virtue of the reality we live in where such behaviour isn't normal at this point.

Do what you want as an adult or teen aware of the consequences, but we're talking (or were) about young children here.


I do find it interesting though that with the rise of social media and the ability of anyone and everyone to have their "15 minutes", that "we" have somehow decided in the last 5 years or so that these fundamental ideas and structures that have defined us for hundreds and thousands of years are now suddenly "wrong" and need to be changed.

Worse, I find it disturbing that those not on-board with this idea (or not actively advocating it) are often made out to be dinosaurs, or sexist/phobic or whatever other term is used. It's ironic that despite the originally well-intentioned concepts of promoting tolerance and understanding behind these movements.. they've somehow morphed into the complete opposite.

We actually have decided that around a century ago, when we made it legal for women to wear "men's" clothes. Trousers, in other words.

Nevermind what the child in question identifies as, the outrage here is sparked by him wearing a dress. And no, it's not normal in most of Europe at this point for boys to wear dresses, though interestingly enough, it used to be. I read on here a short while ago that it was common practice to dress boys in dresses in the West of Ireland, to confuse the fairies who might otherwise snatch them away.
It was also very common across Europe to dress boys in dresses while they were toddlers, my grandfather has a photo of himself aged 3 decked out in about as much white lace as his parents could fit on him.

So, no, right here and right now it's not normal for a boy to wear a dress. And the only reason given why a boy shouldn't is that it's not normal. It's also not exactly normal for a girl to have short hair, but would you call her parents irresponsible and self-obsessed if an 8-year-old girl did chose a short back and sides?

Gender signalling has always been and will always be entirely social. There's nothing in biology that says boys should wear trousers and girls should have long hair, that boys should have blue things and girls pink ones. We made all of these up, and most of them not actually so long ago.