Christian parents 'to sue school' coz boy in son's class was allowed to wear dress

MadDog76 · 11-09-2017 11:04PM

kylith wrote: »

Only if they are taught so by their parents. If a kid goes home from school and tells their parent that John went to school in a dress and the parent's reaction is 'OK' then the child learns that a boy wearing a dress is no big deal.

Children are not born with the idea that Boys wear X, Girls wear Y, they are programmed with those ideas by their families and society.

What if parents don't want their children thinking that boys wearing dresses is "ok"?

kylith · 11-09-2017 11:09PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

There's no need to single out your 6 year old by sending him into school in a dress even if you are absolutely convinced he has gender issues, it's so much easier to say "wear your jeans/leggings and your red tshirt, like x girl does".

Would you say that to a girl who wanted to wear a dress to school? It's only a piece of fabric, it only has the meaning we imbue it with.

kylith · 11-09-2017 11:10PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

What if parents don't want their children thinking that boys wearing dresses is "ok"?

I'd have to ask them why they think that. Do they think dressing 'like a girl' something to be ashamed of? Do they think acting 'like a girl' a bad thing?

gitzy16v · 11-09-2017 11:13PM

kylith wrote: »

I'd have to ask them why they think that. Do they think dressing 'like a girl' something to be ashamed of? Do they think acting 'like a girl' a bad thing?

It's unusual for a boy.

retro:electro · 11-09-2017 11:13PM

kylith wrote: »

Would you say that to a girl who wanted to wear a dress to school? It's only a piece of fabric, it only has the meaning we imbue it with.

The playground can be a cruel place. Don't act like you don't know that.

Billy86 · 11-09-2017 11:14PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

It's unusual for a boy.

Girls in pants used to be too.

gitzy16v · 11-09-2017 11:16PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Girls in pants used to be too.

No it wasn't.

GerryDerpy · 11-09-2017 11:16PM

Let it not be forgotten that a young boy in a dress looks ridiculous.

DickSwiveller · 11-09-2017 11:16PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Girls in pants used to be too.

What is wrong with you people? Why not leave children alone without pushing your perverse agenda on them. They have it bad enough with the pernicious influence of junk pop culture.

Sweetemotion · 11-09-2017 11:20PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Girls in pants used to be too.

When was that?

kylith · 11-09-2017 11:20PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What is wrong with you people? Why not leave children alone without pushing your perverse agenda on them. They have it bad enough with the pernicious influence of junk pop culture.

What perverse agenda? Not too long ago it was considered a scandal for a woman to wear trousers, now no-one cares. In a few years it may be the same for boys in skirts, there are many cultures where boys already wear skirts.

MadDog76 · 11-09-2017 11:22PM

kylith wrote: »

I'd have to ask them why they think that. Do they think dressing 'like a girl' something to be ashamed of? Do they think acting 'like a girl' a bad thing?

Personally, I think this whole new fad (and it is just a fad) of gender "fluidity" is absolute rubbish ......... and I refuse to succumb to pressure groups who insist that we ignore our own feelings on the subject (for fear of being labelled a "whateverphobic") and just lie to our own children with "of course it's ok that Johnny wears a dress" ........ no, it's not ok and I won't allow my children's heads to be filled with sh*te like that just to appease deluded individuals/groups.

Do I (as an adult and as a parent) have that right? Or is it only (the "right") certain mind-sets that have a right to express themselves freely??

gitzy16v · 11-09-2017 11:23PM

kylith wrote: »

What perverse agenda? Not too long ago it was considered a scandal for a woman to wear trousers, now no-one cares. In a few years it may be the same for boys in skirts, there are many cultures where boys already wear skirts.

These are boys who identified as boys wearing a male orientated "skirt".
Different kettle of fish to an eight yr old,yes fcuking 8,wearing a skirt to school and thinking he's a girl.

kylith · 11-09-2017 11:26PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

When was that?

Before about the 1920s. Women started wearing trousers after they went to work while the men were at war. Hell the 90's I was told under no circumstances to ever wear trousers to a job interview.

Sweetemotion · 11-09-2017 11:28PM

kylith wrote: »

Before about the 1920s. Women started wearing trousers after they went to work while the men were at war. Hell the 90's I was told under no circumstances to ever wear trousers to a job interview.

Wait, so before the 1920's women wore nothing but skirts?

11-09-2017 11:30PM

Always astonishes me how much response these stories get despite almost always being:

- embellished in original report or headline
- occurring in a different country
- being vanishingly unlikely to ever raise an issue that anyone reading will ever have to deal with to any great extent

It's bizzarre

_Whimsical_ · 11-09-2017 11:34PM

kylith wrote: »

Would you say that to a girl who wanted to wear a dress to school? It's only a piece of fabric, it only has the meaning we imbue it with.

Absolutely yes. That is my whole life. I don't feel my choice of pants or a dress defines me as a woman. As a kid I had to wear a school uniform dress all day to school which I hated as it was wooly and itchy. It put me right off dresses for years of my childhood, there were tears if I saw one coming. I wore my jeans, leggings, tracksuits and never, ever imagined it reflected on my gender.

When I was around 3 I watched Superman with cousins who were visiting and loved it and when I saw they all had Superman PJs I wanted them too. I got them and I LOVED them, like I remember seriously loving them. Again I never for a moment questioned by gender nor did anyone else.

I don't think the skirt is the issue itself. The issue is letting a child make a very public statement of gender identity before they could possibly understand the path they are carving out for themselves by doing that. They can't know what they're giving up, what they're taking on, what way others might perceive them. I don't think it's necessary to foist that on a child when issues around gender could be handled in a way that would protect them for as long as possible.

retro:electro · 11-09-2017 11:35PM

kylith wrote: »

What perverse agenda? Not too long ago it was considered a scandal for a woman to wear trousers, now no-one cares. In a few years it may be the same for boys in skirts, there are many cultures where boys already wear skirts.

It's more than just a little boy in a skirt though, isn't it? Don't downplay it as if that's all it is. It's an agenda that whether forced onto him or not, he's not mature or intellectually capable of dealing with yet.

mzungu · 11-09-2017 11:36PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Personally, I think this whole new fad (and it is just a fad) of gender "fluidity" is absolute rubbish ......... and I refuse to succumb to pressure groups who insist that we ignore our own feelings on the subject (for fear of being labelled a "whateverphobic") and just lie to our own children with "of course it's ok that Johnny wears a dress" ........ no, it's not ok and I won't allow my children's heads to be filled with sh*te like that just to appease deluded individuals/groups.

Do I (as an adult and as a parent) have that right? Or is it only (the "right") certain mind-sets that have a right to express themselves freely??

Gender fluidity is not the same thing as being transgender. For one, transgenderism is a real thing (gender dysphoria), whilst gender fluidity* is made up bullcrap spouted on the internet by bored students and middle aged ideologues. Needless to say, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back gender fluidity up.

*I refer primarily to the 300+ plus genders business here. However, even the non-binary/switching between two genders stuff has little hard evidence backing it up at the moment.

kylith · 11-09-2017 11:37PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Personally, I think this whole new fad (and it is just a fad) of gender "fluidity" is absolute rubbish ......... and I refuse to succumb to pressure groups who insist that we ignore our own feelings on the subject (for fear of being labelled a "whateverphobic") and just lie to our own children with "of course it's ok that Johnny wears a dress" ........ no, it's not ok and I won't allow my children's heads to be filled with sh*te like that just to appease deluded individuals/groups.

Do I (as an adult and as a parent) have that right? Or is it only (the "right") certain mind-sets that have a right to express themselves freely??

You have a right to teach your children whatever you think is correct, but I'd have to wonder why you would teach your children that a piece of clothing is 'wrong', possibly leading them to bully someone who does not share that belief.

It does you or your child no harm at all if Tony shows up to school in a floor-length sequinned ballgown. Why wouldn't you teach them that everyone is different and to live and let live instead?

gitzy16v wrote: »

These are boys who identified as boys wearing a male orientated "skirt".
Different kettle of fish to an eight yr old,yes fcuking 8,wearing a skirt to school and thinking he's a girl.

Do you think the people on here getting their bloomers in a knot over what someone else's kid might think would give a damn about it being a 'male orientated skirt'? They see a male in a skirt they're not going to give a hoot about it actually having been bought in Polynesina, but I'd warrant they wouldn't question The Rock's mental state to his face.

mzungu · 11-09-2017 11:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Always astonishes me how much response these stories get despite almost always being:

- embellished in original report or headline
- occurring in a different country
- being vanishingly unlikely to ever raise an issue that anyone reading will ever have to deal with to any great extent

It's bizzarre

People talking about stuff in the news on a message board? Not at all bizarre, really, it happens on every message board I would imagine.

MadDog76 · 11-09-2017 11:41PM

mzungu wrote: »

Gender fluidity is not the same thing as being transgender. For one, transgenderism is a real thing (gender dysmorphia), whilst gender fluidity is made up bullcrap spouted on the internet by bored students and middle aged ideologues. Needless to say, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back gender fluidity up.

Call it what you want ......... I'm not going to tell my children that boys wearing dresses is "ok" and I won't allow anybody else tell them it's ok either.

GerryDerpy · 11-09-2017 11:42PM

mzungu wrote: »

Gender fluidity is not the same thing as being transgender. For one, transgenderism is a real thing (gender dysmorphia), whilst gender fluidity is made up bullcrap spouted on the internet by bored students and middle aged ideologues. Needless to say, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back gender fluidity up.

Wasn't there some nutter working in RTE that was fluid? Some man for woman.

kylith · 11-09-2017 11:44PM

anna080 wrote: »

It's more than just a little boy in a skirt though, isn't it? Don't downplay it as if that's all it is. It's an agenda that whether forced onto him or not, he's not mature or intellectually capable of dealing with yet.

Look, if Mary wouldn't wear a dress and insisted on jeans because she wants to be a boy would you be up in arms?

A girl who wants to dress as a boy or be treated as a boy is seen as a playful oddity, because aspiring to the things of men is seen as good. A boy who wants to dress or be treated as a girl is treated as though either it has been forced on him or that there is something wrong with him because aspiring to the things of women is seen as bad.

gitzy16v · 11-09-2017 11:45PM

kylith wrote: »

Do you think the people on here getting their bloomers in a knot over what someone else's kid might think would give a damn about it being a 'male orientated skirt'? They see a male in a skirt they're not going to give a hoot about it actually having been bought in Polynesina, but I'd warrant they wouldn't question The Rock's mental state to his face.

I doubt the kid in question is Polynesian or wearing a Polynesian skirt.
You and I know what's happening in this instance and IMO it's a disgrace that an 8 yr old has been put in the public spotlight(public as in school with a skirt in front of his peers) by his irresponsible parents.
It's nothing to do with culture,it's every thing to do with the parents trying to be uber liberal and using their young child to do it.
Poor child is going to have a tough childhood now,even tougher than dealing with his feelings of being a girl because of the self righteous,ultra pc parents

GerryDerpy · 11-09-2017 11:47PM

kylith wrote: »

Look, if Mary wouldn't wear a dress and insisted on jeans because she wants to be a boy would you be up in arms?

A girl who wants to dress as a boy or be treated as a boy is seen as a playful oddity, because aspiring to the things of men is seen as good. A boy who wants to dress or be treated as a girl is treated as though either it has been forced on him or that there is something wrong with him because aspiring to the things of women is seen as bad.

It is different when the boy is wearing girls clothes because of the underlying agenda. It is an attempt to feminise men so we fix all the supposed gender pay gap / discrimation between the genders. Bring women up a few pegs and knock men down some. Bridge the gap.

11-09-2017 11:48PM

mzungu wrote: »

People talking about stuff in the news on a message board? Not at all bizarre, really, it happens on every message board I would imagine.

I think that's an evasion of the point, which is that even if this were 'news' in any meaningful way- which yknow should surely encompass relevancy, proximity, commonality, what have you to the reasonably-deduced characteristics of the median chosen audience member- that the threads on transgenderism and similar topics create a level.of interest that would seem far in excess of the likely involved interest- used in the stricter sense- of the majority of commenters

mzungu · 11-09-2017 11:49PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Absolutely yes. That is my whole life. I don't feel my choice of pants or a dress defines me as a woman. As a kid I had to wear a school uniform dress all day to school which I hated as it was wooly and itchy. It put me right off dresses for years of my childhood, there were tears if I saw one coming. I wore my jeans, leggings, tracksuits and never, ever imagined it reflected on my gender.

When I was around 3 I watched Superman with cousins who were visiting and loved it and when I saw they all had Superman PJs I wanted them too. I got them and I LOVED them, like I remember seriously loving them. Again I never for a moment questioned by gender nor did anyone else.

I don't think the skirt is the issue itself. The issue is letting a child make a very public statement of gender identity before they could possibly understand the path they are carving out for themselves by doing that. They can't know what they're giving up, what they're taking on, what way others might perceive them. I don't think it's necessary to foist that on a child when issues around gender could be handled in a way that would protect them for as long as possible.

We don't know the background of the child. For example, lets say they have a proper medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and the parents are not die hard gender theorist kool-aid drinkers. The specialist they consulted may have advised for the child to wear a dress in order to try make them feel more comfortable in their own skin. There is no evidence to suggest that this is a case of parents imparting an ideology onto a kid, or that parents are giving in to the whim of a child and letting him dress as a girl. For all we know, the child may be wearing that dress on medical advice.

Of course, there might be a chance that the parents are ideologues, but there is a pretty good chance that they are not.

11-09-2017 11:50PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Call it what you want ......... I'm not going to tell my children that boys wearing dresses is "ok" and I won't allow anybody else tell them it's ok either.

How do you 'not allow' people expressing an opinion to your children, and I mean like to what age do you propose to carry out these enforcement actions

MadDog76 · 11-09-2017 11:51PM

kylith wrote: »

You have a right to teach your children whatever you think is correct, but I'd have to wonder why you would teach your children that a piece of clothing is 'wrong', possibly leading them to bully someone who does not share that belief.

It does you or your child no harm at all if Tony shows up to school in a floor-length sequinned ballgown. Why wouldn't you teach them that everyone is different and to live and let live instead?

I don't, never have and won't ever encourage/allow my children to physically or verbally bully another child for any reason whatsoever, as I see that (being a bully) as being weak ......... but on the other hand, I also will not lie to my children regarding subjects such as the one being discussed here, ie. I'll tell my kids "no, it's not normal that Johnny is wearing a dress but whatever .......... let him at it, it doesn't effect you."

kylith wrote: »

Do you think the people on here getting their bloomers in a knot over what someone else's kid might think would give a damn about it being a 'male orientated skirt'? They see a male in a skirt they're not going to give a hoot about it actually having been bought in Polynesina, but I'd warrant they wouldn't question The Rock's mental state to his face.

Clutching at straws there .......... Polynesian warriors in traditional cultural attire is not the same as little Liam turning up for PE in a leotard and well you know it!

Christian parents 'to sue school' coz boy in son's class was allowed to wear dress

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