Why do so many people insist that teachers get long paid holidays

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-09-2017 01:17PM

kylith wrote: »

Let's say a teacher gets €35K a year, including 2 month's holiday.

Let's say I also get €35K a year, and 20 days holiday.

A teacher gets 3 times as many holiday days for the same wage. Therefore a teacher gets longer paid holidays than other professions.

But pay isn't just calculated on the amount of holidays you get. A non teacher doing a job that requires the same level of skills and qualifications as teachers and involves the same amount of responsibility would probably get paid more than a teacher because they don't have as much time off.

vandriver · 05-09-2017 01:18PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

I got the figures from the interweb.
Just 'Google' 'Annual average salary for primary school teachers in Ireland'

I don't envy teachers one bit or begrudge them their summer break.
The vast majority of them work really hard and are very caring and attentive to their pupils needs - and that's psychologically as well as academically.
Imo they deserve every penny, it's a huge responsibility.
TDs however....

How can the average be lower than the starting salary?

First ten years pay:
1. €34,602
2. €36,410
3. €37,633
4. €39,325
5. €40,469
6. €41,843
7. €43,292
8. €44,752
9. €45,972
10. €47,869

SteM · 05-09-2017 01:19PM

Permabear wrote: »

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I know why was traditionally in place. Kids used to be out helping in the fields, now that just hang around and get bored after a month or go to expensive summer camps.

Permabear · 05-09-2017 01:19PM

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Benjamin Buttons · 05-09-2017 01:20PM

vandriver wrote: »

How can the average be lower than the starting salary?

Why not ask a teacher. Remember to put your hand up first though!

vandriver · 05-09-2017 01:21PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

Why not ask a teacher. Remember to put your hand up first though!

I know a maths teacher would tell me it's not possible.

Sierra Oscar · 05-09-2017 01:22PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.
The average salary of a TD in Ireland is : €87,258 per year.

I wonder which of the above is overpaid?

How is the average salary of a primary school teacher €30,184 when the starting salary is €33,806?

INTO - Pay Scales

Anyway, teachers deserved to be paid a good wage in my view - it's a demanding job. They really need to sort out the difference in payscales between new entrants and established employees. The current situation is very unfair on young people. It's punitive.

kylith · 05-09-2017 01:22PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

But pay isn't just calculated on the amount of holidays you get. A non teacher doing a job that requires the same level of skills and qualifications as teachers and involves the same amount of responsibility would probably get paid more than a teacher because they don't have as much time off.

They get paid a salary, which includes payment during their holidays. They get paid for their holidays. Their holidays are significantly longer than average. They get paid for significantly longer holidays.

Other jobs' wages and skill levels dont' come into it.

Victor · 05-09-2017 01:24PM

amcalester wrote: »

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

Teachers on annual contracts can, permanent teachers can't. But nothing to stop them getting another job over summer.

Viscount Aggro · 05-09-2017 01:24PM

They are way overpaid for what they do. I have a mate that is a teacher in a well known south dublin private school. He is earning 70K.
There is no annual PMP, or career progression such as you have in the private sector. What new stuff is there to learn from year to year? Its not like theres new French or German to learn. Terachers in the UK are on c. 25K. Thats more like it.

05-09-2017 01:24PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

Why not ask a teacher. Remember to put your hand up first though!

Remind me of going on a day out with my teacher sister and our children when they were small, she had actuley done out a quiz with question about the various things we saw and and took it out when we sat down for coffee and said we all had to do it!

Theboinkmaster · 05-09-2017 01:27PM

Teachers are incredibly well paid in this country, hence they demand exceeds supply drastically.

Look at it this way: Average teacher salary is say €40k, but that's for 165 schools days out of an available 260.

Compare to someone in private sector on €40k also, that's for 240 out of 260 days (assuming standard 20 days annual leave).

Therefore to compare to two you need to gross up the teacher's salary to €58k (for normal working days of 240).

I think everyone would agree €58k is a very good salary for a teacher, especially given you cannot be fired and good pension benefits, plus that salary only increases.

05-09-2017 01:27PM

endacl wrote: »

Further ed. I've never had to stand in front of a roomful of kids.

Its strange that you have a need to talk up your job, my sister is a teacher and while she says its a handy number even she is realistic it.

whisky_galore · 05-09-2017 01:27PM

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Why bring farmers into this they have no education at all there kids won't be school in the first place.

*Their.

endacl · 05-09-2017 01:30PM

vandriver wrote: »

How can the average be lower than the starting salary?

First ten years pay:
1. €34,602
2. €36,410
3. €37,633
4. €39,325
5. €40,469
6. €41,843
7. €43,292
8. €44,752
9. €45,972
10. €47,869

Not every teacher is on full hours.

Gerry T · 05-09-2017 01:31PM

My wife works in dit, the lecturers there in there 50's are on 70k plus, 16hrs a week contact and they can work from home outside of that. Nice job, but I wouldn't say it's easy.
3 mths in the summer, 1 week at easter and 2 at Christmas. Plus autumn mid term, that's 4 mts off. Back in the 80's it was standard practice for alot of teachers to run taxis during these times

05-09-2017 01:31PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Teachers are incredibly well paid in this country, hence they demand exceeds supply drastically.

Look at it this way: Average teacher salary is say €40k, but that's for 165 schools days out of an available 260.

Compare to someone in private sector on €40k also, that's for 240 out of 260 days (assuming standard 20 days annual leave).

Therefore to compare to two you need to gross up the teacher's salary to €58k (for normal working days of 240).

I think everyone would agree €58k is a very good salary for a teacher, especially given you cannot be fired and good pension benefits, plus that salary only increases.

It is relatively well paid ( if you get a full time permanent position ).

jamesthepeach · 05-09-2017 01:31PM

The last few years I was taking 6 months off per year. But I still had 12 pay days a year. One every month.

People are always complaining about the other guy.

I know people who get no holidays. I'm sure they would complain about those who get 20 days holidays.

It's all down to the career you choose.

osarusan · 05-09-2017 01:32PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Therefore to compare to two you need to gross up the teacher's salary to €58k (for normal working days of 240).

It's not needed, or even logical, to compare them in this way.

Theboinkmaster · 05-09-2017 01:34PM

osarusan wrote: »

It's not needed, or even logical, to compare them in this way.

why not? essentially you're comparing daily pay rates - €242 per day for teacher, €167 per day for alternative employee.

bucketybuck · 05-09-2017 01:36PM

osarusan wrote: »

It's not needed, or even logical, to compare them in this way.

Indeed. When teachers get the same salary as the average worker but work substantially less days and hours, it becomes rather redundant to compare them in pro-rata terms. They have already lost that argument.

_Roz_ · 05-09-2017 01:36PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

why not? essentially you're comparing daily pay rates - €242 per day for teacher, €167 per day for alternative employee.

The more I read this thread, the more I'm inclined to agree with this line of thinking.

At the same time, as someone else said, I think teaching is a very important job with a serious degree of responsibility, so I don't begrudge them their pay.

Morris Moss · 05-09-2017 01:37PM

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Why bring farmers into this they have no education at all there kids won't be school in the first place.

What does that even mean?

diomed · 05-09-2017 01:37PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

People whinge about teachers, guards and farmers and I'll bet they wouldn't last a week in any of those jobs.

Difficult to get sacked. I think the Homer Simpson work ethic would get you by.

osarusan · 05-09-2017 01:39PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

why not? essentially you're comparing daily pay rates.

But you shouldn't be.

You are applying an argument that 'if the rate they got was applied to the higher number of days per year, it would be 58K'...but they don't, and can't, work the higher number of days per year, so they don't get 58K, so the comparison is pointless.

You might as well say that oil rig workers, with their 2 weeks on/2weeks off system, really get double the salary they do...but they don't.

professore · 05-09-2017 01:40PM

I know a full time secondary school teacher that runs a business with 10 employees on the side.

_Roz_ · 05-09-2017 01:40PM

professore wrote: »

I know a full time secondary school teacher that runs a business with 10 employees on the side.

Could he spare me a few quid?

yesto24 · 05-09-2017 01:45PM

endacl wrote: »

It's certainly not the only perk. The most I have to work in any one day is less than five hours, and I'll have a kickass pension when I retire.

Depending on what age you are now I wouldn't be so sure your pension will be there when you retire.

Fian · 05-09-2017 01:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone ever heard of a teacher having her baby in May? Anyone? Anyone?

I am married to a (female) teacher. Our youngest child was born in mid-may, and was planned. We didn't get a calculator out looking to maximise the benefits from timing the birth of our child, there were far more important considerations involved in that decision.

Teachers undeniably get long paid holidays. I can tell, because we have 4 kids in school and during summer I am the only one of the six of us who has to get up early in the morning to head in to work.

astrofool · 05-09-2017 02:00PM

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Why bring farmers into this they have no education at all there kids won't be school in the first place.

Ah, farmers, you have big sheds, but nobody’s allowed in, and inside these big sheds are twenty-foot high chickens. Because of all the chemicals you put in them. And these chickens are scared. They don’t know why they’re so big. They go “oh why am I so massive?” And they’re looking down on all the other little chickens, and they think they’re in an aeroplane because all the other chickens are so small

Why do so many people insist that teachers get long paid holidays

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