Why do so many people insist that teachers get long paid holidays

c68zapdsm5i1ru

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Mooooo

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Ok

Solomon Pleasant

I think the issue is that a lot of teachers are above average earners and they are still getting paid a very decent wage outside of term time. If you subscribe to your view then the hourly rate for teaching must be extremely high given that they only spend from 9-3/4 actually teaching, although I understand that there are extra requirements of the job outside of those hours.

Secondary school teachers also have the opportunity to earn extra money during the summer by correcting exam papers for the state examinations commission. I've also known teachers that have taken on extra work outside of this to earn more money - an opportunity not afforded to that majority of employees.

Given this, I can imagine why some people feel slightly jealousy towards teachers although if they feel so strongly they should probably become teachers.

amcalester

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

phasers

amcalester wrote: »

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

They're not unemployed

Cee-Jay-Cee

amcalester wrote: »

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

They are paid a salary and it's divided up into 26 pay days over the year so they get paid during the summer too.

irelandrover

Surely the fact that they are paid for 2 months holidays during the summer means they have a long paid holiday?

bucketybuck

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Its because teachers do get to sit around all summer doing nothing. Their job allows and facilitates that. Happy to help.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its because teachers do get to sit around all summer doing nothing. Their job allows and facilitates that. Happy to help.

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

_Roz_

What kind of salaries are we talking here?

Hammer89

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Okay miss.

irelandrover

what happens if a teacher quits on the last day of the school year. Would they be paid for the summer?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

I presume so. It's money they've already earned.

Permabear

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Benjamin Buttons

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.
The average salary of a TD in Ireland is : €87,258 per year.

I wonder which of the above is overpaid?

Martina1991

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

Yeah, teachers get a year long salary like other jobs, but they have at least 2 solid months off work. Which is why some people become jealous/ annoyed.

_Roz_

€30? Why would people complain about summer holidays when they're paid €30? They chose to work in an occupation where they get time off in Summer, that was their choice. €30k is a reasonable sum, whether you divide it over 10 or 12 months.

If people are jealous, they should become teachers.

If they got paid the same money over 10 months, they'd still be paid the same, and it's still not a mindnumbing amount...

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Permabear wrote: »

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No, it's not. They are paid for the number of weeks they work like anyone else. But then the payment is spread out pro-rata across the entire year. They would still be paid the same salary however the Dept of Education chose to pay them, it would just come to larger individual cheques for a smaller part of the year.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Martina1991 wrote: »

Yeah, teachers get a year long salary like other jobs, but they have at least 2 solid months off work. Which is why some people become jealous/ annoyed.

I can understand people being jealous. But being annoyed isn't really fair. They're paid a reasonable salary for the work they do and the responsibility they undertake. The two months holidays is great, but it's taken into account vis a vis their pay, so there's no real reason to be annoyed. But jealous, definitely

Who cares children need a good break from school they will be adults long enough maybe there is some argument that secondary school holiday are a bit too long.

in the great scheme of things to be concerned about its minor.

Schools and education establishments are not child minding facilities.

endacl

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

While your post is factually correct, I can't escape the feeling that I've been paid to sit around scratching me hole for the last three months.

Nice one! How many weeks till halloween? Another week off!

Permabear

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pickarooney

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Because everyone who has any sense looks at annual salary and annual holidays rather than trying to refute basic logic with this sort of convoluted nonsense?

Pure tashte

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.
The average salary of a TD in Ireland is : €87,258 per year.

I wonder which of the above is overpaid?

Is that the starting salary? Surely the average salary for all teachers would be far higher than that?

Permabear

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SEPT 23 1989

handy number for the ones who are any good at it

_Roz_

I'm starting to want to become a teacher after reading all this.... but I'm not a fan of kids, so not sure how that would work. :rolleyes:

endacl

Permabear wrote: »

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Technically.

I can't remember the exact year off the top of my head, but teachers used only receive a payment for time worked. The department, at teachers' request, spread these payments over the whole year. Sometime in the mid 50s, iirc. So, it is true. We get paid for teaching days, pro rata, but the yearly total is divided int 12 equal monthly payments.

endacl

_Roz_ wrote: »

I'm starting to want to become a teacher after reading all this.... but I'm not a fan of kids, so not sure how that would work. :rolleyes:

Further ed. I've never had to stand in front of a roomful of kids.

Mickeroo

I guess the long paid holidays is the main reason I always assumed they had long paid holidays.

Anyone ever heard of a teacher having her baby in May? Anyone? Anyone?

_Roz_

endacl wrote: »

Further ed. I've never had to stand in front of a roomful of kids.

That might be an idea, I do have experience of training adults. Does that pay the same though? Is this things like QQI tutoring?

Martina1991

Mickeroo wrote: »

I guess the long paid holidays is the main reason I always assumed they had long paid holidays.

Don't forget mid terms, Xmas and Easter :pac:

The Backwards Man

My Dad's harder than your Dad.

duffman13

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.
The average salary of a TD in Ireland is : €87,258 per year.

I wonder which of the above is overpaid?

Tbh I'd rather TDs paid a really good salary to attract the best calibre of candidates. Unfortunately that doesn't always happen (calibre of candidates) but they're essentially public figures who have to govern the country so 90k a year for some of the abuse some of them have to put up with is fair enough to me.

Its an issue in a of lot state/semi state bodies who struggle to attract and keep the best talent as the top echelons because they can't match the salary available in the private sector for the very best people.

The problem with the country is in administration of public services rather than front line staff (teachers, garda, nurses etc), there has never been a will to tackle this and I don't think there ever will be.

endacl

_Roz_ wrote: »

That might be an idea, I do have experience of training adults. Does that pay the same though? Is this things like QQI tutoring?

Pays secondary teacher scale.

whisky_galore

People whinge about teachers, guards and farmers and I'll bet they wouldn't last a week in any of those jobs.

seamus

They do get long paid holidays. That's indisputable.

By the same argument, I get an 11-month salary, calculated pro-rata and spread out over 12 months.

No, teachers get a yearly salary which include long and generous holidays.

I have no actual issue with this. But claiming that they only get paid for the weeks they work, and that this is then s t r e t c h e d out to cover the whole year, is disingenuous. All salaried workers could make the same claim.

It's union nonsense, playing the poor mouth where none exists.

I personally think teachers should be paid more, in return for higher qualifications. All new teachers should have a masters at a minimum, having completed six years in college. Like in Finland. Existing teachers can then earn their way onto the higher payscale by upgrading their qualifications.

endacl

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone ever heard of a teacher having her baby in May? Anyone? Anyone?

Why would they? I don't know you. But I'm pretty sure if you could time a life event to take full advantage of paid leave from your job, you would.

thierry14

_Roz_ wrote: »

I'm starting to want to become a teacher after reading all this.... but I'm not a fan of kids, so not sure how that would work. :rolleyes:

Teaching kids all day, everyday would be hell

Must get boring very fast too, especially secondary, repeating the same stuff over and over

Would hate to be a teacher

Oasis1974

whisky_galore wrote: »

People whinge about teachers, guards and farmers and I'll bet they wouldn't last a week in any of those jobs.

Why bring farmers into this they have no education at all there kids won't be school in the first place.

Permabear

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griffin100

Teaching is a job with good pay and conditions, but it's essentially part time. €30-40k pa for p/t work is not bad. Based on CSO figures highest hourly pay rate in the public sector is in education - http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?Maintable=EHQ10&Planguage=0

It always make me laugh when teaching unions moan about having to work an extra 'unpaid' hour or two a week.

_Roz_

thierry14 wrote: »

Teaching kids all day, everyday would be hell

Must get boring very fast too, especially secondary, repeating the same stuff over and over

Would hate to be a teacher

Yeah this is true. I'd like to have two months a year off, but really, I'm better off working the full year and never interacting with any humans outside my department peeps.

pickarooney

_Roz_ wrote: »

I'm starting to want to become a teacher after reading all this.... but I'm not a fan of kids, so not sure how that would work. :rolleyes:

Become a college lecturer? Adult education?

endacl

seamus wrote: »

They do get long paid holidays. That's indisputable.

By the same argument, I get an 11-month salary, calculated pro-rata and spread out over 12 months.

No, teachers get a yearly salary which include long and generous holidays.

I have no actual issue with this. But claiming that they only get paid for the weeks they work, and that this is then s t r e t c h e d out to cover the whole year, is disingenuous. All salaried workers could make the same claim.

It's union nonsense, playing the poor mouth where none exists.

I personally think teachers should be paid more, in return for higher qualifications. All new teachers should have a masters at a minimum, having completed six years in college. Like in Finland. Existing teachers can then earn their way onto the higher payscale by upgrading their qualifications.

As I mentioned earlier, while not de facto the case today, historically, it is true. If it weren't, and we were entitled to statutory leave based on hours worked, how would that work? What would happen if every teacher in the school were taking two weeks during the school year?

Edit: We are paid more based on qualifications. I receive almost €5000 extra per year, because some years ago I completed a MSc. In a completely different field, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subjects I teach...

kylith

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

Let's say a teacher gets €35K a year, including 2 month's holiday.

Let's say I also get €35K a year, and 20 days holiday.

A teacher gets 3 times as many holiday days for the same wage. Therefore a teacher gets longer paid holidays than other professions.

Lux23

I think the only perk in a teaching job is the holidays. The pay isn't great for having to deal with snotty brats all day.

Austria!

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.

http://www.into.ie/pay/PayScales/

SteM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

Children do not need 3 months off for summer believe me. Along with the time off over Halloween, Christmas and Easter 3 summer months is overkill. Any working parent (that doesn’t get 3 months summer holidays) will tell you that.

endacl

Lux23 wrote: »

I think the only perk in a teaching job is the holidays. The pay isn't great for having to deal with snotty brats all day.

It's certainly not the only perk. The most I have to work in any one day is less than five hours, and I'll have a kickass pension when I retire.