Why do so many people insist that teachers get long paid holidays

endacl wrote: »

Further ed. I've never had to stand in front of a roomful of kids.

That might be an idea, I do have experience of training adults. Does that pay the same though? Is this things like QQI tutoring?

_Roz_ wrote: »

That might be an idea, I do have experience of training adults. Does that pay the same though? Is this things like QQI tutoring?

Pays secondary teacher scale.

They do get long paid holidays. That's indisputable.

By the same argument, I get an 11-month salary, calculated pro-rata and spread out over 12 months.

No, teachers get a yearly salary which include long and generous holidays.

I have no actual issue with this. But claiming that they only get paid for the weeks they work, and that this is then s t r e t c h e d out to cover the whole year, is disingenuous. All salaried workers could make the same claim.

It's union nonsense, playing the poor mouth where none exists.

I personally think teachers should be paid more, in return for higher qualifications. All new teachers should have a masters at a minimum, having completed six years in college. Like in Finland. Existing teachers can then earn their way onto the higher payscale by upgrading their qualifications.

thierry14 wrote: »

Teaching kids all day, everyday would be hell

Must get boring very fast too, especially secondary, repeating the same stuff over and over

Would hate to be a teacher

Yeah this is true. I'd like to have two months a year off, but really, I'm better off working the full year and never interacting with any humans outside my department peeps.

seamus wrote: »

They do get long paid holidays. That's indisputable.

By the same argument, I get an 11-month salary, calculated pro-rata and spread out over 12 months.

No, teachers get a yearly salary which include long and generous holidays.

I have no actual issue with this. But claiming that they only get paid for the weeks they work, and that this is then s t r e t c h e d out to cover the whole year, is disingenuous. All salaried workers could make the same claim.

It's union nonsense, playing the poor mouth where none exists.

I personally think teachers should be paid more, in return for higher qualifications. All new teachers should have a masters at a minimum, having completed six years in college. Like in Finland. Existing teachers can then earn their way onto the higher payscale by upgrading their qualifications.

As I mentioned earlier, while not de facto the case today, historically, it is true. If it weren't, and we were entitled to statutory leave based on hours worked, how would that work? What would happen if every teacher in the school were taking two weeks during the school year?

Edit: We are paid more based on qualifications. I receive almost €5000 extra per year, because some years ago I completed a MSc. In a completely different field, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subjects I teach...

I think the only perk in a teaching job is the holidays. The pay isn't great for having to deal with snotty brats all day.

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

Children do not need 3 months off for summer believe me. Along with the time off over Halloween, Christmas and Easter 3 summer months is overkill. Any working parent (that doesn’t get 3 months summer holidays) will tell you that.

endacl wrote: »

As I mentioned earlier, while not de facto the case today, historically, it is true. If it weren't, and we were entitled to statutory leave based on hours worked, how would that work? What would happen if every teacher in the school were taking two weeks during the school year?

Well you actually are entitled to statutory leave. That leave is given during the holidays because the legislation states that the employer decides when statutory leave is taken, not the employee.

The legislation has changed a lot since the 1950's. Beyond recognition in fact. Which is why it's disingenuous to claim that a change to the remuneration scheme made in the 1950s is in any way relevant to the teachers today, none of whom were even teaching when the change was made.
Any teachers hired in the last 40 years have been paid a yearly salary with long holidays.

seamus wrote: »

Well you actually are entitled to statutory leave. That leave is given during the holidays because the legislation states that the employer decides when statutory leave is taken, not the employee.

Hey I'm not arguing with you. I have the best paid part time gig in the world!

They get paid a yearly salary for the work they do.

They are just one of the numerous jobs that don't follow a 48-weeks-a-year pattern.