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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**
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Floyd via DQwalshb wrote:Here's one for you and us: let's say Conor's engine was rock solid. Can you say that Floyd beats him on points? I can't say for sure, because for me it was not a case of Floyd biding his time and waiting for his man to gas. It was a case of him not being able to get to it impose a decent successful offence on the longer rangier man, and kind of lucky that Conor's engine depleted.
Any time Floyd launched his offence on a fresh Conor he had no success..it took Conor to be out on his feet before Floyd started landing clean..
I'm going to break this up into parts for ease, re Conors engine....
We know Conor's engine is far from rock solid and from everything seen in the lead up, gassing on the heavy bags etc so I think its foolish to consider this as not being part of Mayweather's plan. His game plan seems to have been based around taking him to deep waters and drowning him.
If on the other hand we had something to suggest Conor's engine was rock solid, and there would have been evidence,I think it is safe to assume Mayweather's gameplan would have been significantly different and considering he won the previous 49 bouts that he gameplanned for I see no reason to doubt that he would have had a plan capable of outpointing what was basically an amateur.
On the part where you see it as he wasn't waiting for his opponent to gas, I have to disagree completely. This seemed to be the only thing he was doing, he looked across at him after round 2 and said "that's it, he tired" (paraphrasing) and then he took over the fight, it is not his style to walk guys down and his timing was not perfect as you would expect when he has been out of the ring for 2 years but he took over with ease and pushed the pace in the middle rounds, then went for the KO in round 9, didn't get it till 10 but the fight was over long before that.
He has plenty of form for taking the first few rounds off in effect to dissect his opponent, what he is doing,what he needs to do to counter and beat it, why do you think this fight was any different?
His offensive output has been nothing short of shocking for years, it was probably the best it has been for a long time last night, but that really isn't saying much. He has been happy to pot shot his way to victory for too long,many times there was spots there for him to take advantage of last night but he simply didn't he was happy to plod away, let McGregor continue to waste his rapidly depleting gas tank slapping and pillow jabbing, hitting his gloves,arms, air.
McGregor landed a couple of shots clean in the first two rounds, and they did nothing whatsoever to Mayweather, no effect. This I am sure made certain in Floyds mind he had nothing to do but wait till McGregor punched himself out and push him over basically. He was always in control of the fight, he took the first few seconds off each round to let McGregor have his flurry then spent the rest of the round walking him down, winning each round pretty clearly.
It isn't fair to say his offence had no effect when McGregor hadn't gassed as he really didn't try too mount much of an offence on him at that point of the fight, that wasn't his goal, he was asking questions, he was looking for reactions. He was spoiling at times and generally being Floyd Mayweather, but he was not trying to impose any sort of coherent offense on the fight.
It all come back to that being part of the gameplan for me, waiting for Conor to fade and finish him with ease, this being part of the plan can't really be held against him as a negative even though it was boring as **** for me anyway watching it. I mentioned the pause I had when he started talking about patience, taking his time and that at the weigh in or maybe it was one of the press conferences, I remember posting at the time that he may actually draw this out before ending it.
You are starting from an admitted position of, Floyd could do nothing really in your eyes to "win" the fight, I think this colours your criticism of him somewhat, sure he was uninspiring, but he was very Mayweather like in his gameplan right down to being unfamiliar with being the aggressor in the recent past
He deserves plenty of criticism for this farce, but his gameplan is tough to fault when it won him the fight with the minimum of effort. He has been a pox on boxing in my eyes for a long time and I am happy to see the back of him, but him being brutal for the most part last night doesn't make McGregor any better, he looked like a complete amateur in there, don't get me wrong, he actually looked better then I thought he would but he was still nowhere near what should be stepping into the ring at that level of boxing.
I think if McGregor had a rock solid engine it would have been a different fight, and I am 100% confident Mayweather still would have walked away the winner, and it probably would have been even less pretty of a spectacle!
Sorry for the long winded answer, see why I didn't want to do it on me phone "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."
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Floyd via DQStringerBell wrote: »I'm going to break this up into parts for ease, re Conors engine....
We know Conor's engine is far from rock solid and from everything seen in the lead up, gassing on the heavy bags etc so I think its foolish to consider this as not being part of Mayweather's plan. His game plan seems to have been based around taking him to deep waters and drowning him.
If on the other hand we had something to suggest Conor's engine was rock solid, and there would have been evidence,I think it is safe to assume Mayweather's gameplan would have been significantly different and considering he won the previous 49 bouts that he gameplanned for I see no reason to doubt that he would have had a plan capable of outpointing what was basically an amateur.
On the part where you see it as he wasn't waiting for his opponent to gas, I have to disagree completely. This seemed to be the only thing he was doing, he looked across at him after round 2 and said "that's it, he tired" (paraphrasing) and then he took over the fight, it is not his style to walk guys down and his timing was not perfect as you would expect when he has been out of the ring for 2 years but he took over with ease and pushed the pace in the middle rounds, then went for the KO in round 9, didn't get it till 10 but the fight was over long before that.
He has plenty of form for taking the first few rounds off in effect to dissect his opponent, what he is doing,what he needs to do to counter and beat it, why do you think this fight was any different?
His offensive output has been nothing short of shocking for years, it was probably the best it has been for a long time last night, but that really isn't saying much. He has been happy to pot shot his way to victory for too long,many times there was spots there for him to take advantage of last night but he simply didn't he was happy to plod away, let McGregor continue to waste his rapidly depleting gas tank slapping and pillow jabbing, hitting his gloves,arms, air.
McGregor landed a couple of shots clean in the first two rounds, and they did nothing whatsoever to Mayweather, no effect. This I am sure made certain in Floyds mind he had nothing to do but wait till McGregor punched himself out and push him over basically. He was always in control of the fight, he took the first few seconds off each round to let McGregor have his flurry then spent the rest of the round walking him down, winning each round pretty clearly.
It isn't fair to say his offence had no effect when McGregor hadn't gassed as he really didn't try too mount much of an offence on him at that point of the fight, that wasn't his goal, he was asking questions, he was looking for reactions. He was spoiling at times and generally being Floyd Mayweather, but he was not trying to impose any sort of coherent offense on the fight.
It all come back to that being part of the gameplan for me, waiting for Conor to fade and finish him with ease, this being part of the plan can't really be held against him as a negative even though it was boring as **** for me anyway watching it. I mentioned the pause I had when he started talking about patience, taking his time and that at the weigh in or maybe it was one of the press conferences, I remember posting at the time that he may actually draw this out before ending it.
You are starting from an admitted position of, Floyd could do nothing really in your eyes to "win" the fight, I think this colours your criticism of him somewhat, sure he was uninspiring, but he was very Mayweather like in his gameplan right down to being unfamiliar with being the aggressor in the recent past
He deserves plenty of criticism for this farce, but his gameplan is tough to fault when it won him the fight with the minimum of effort. He has been a pox on boxing in my eyes for a long time and I am happy to see the back of him, but him being brutal for the most part last night doesn't make McGregor any better, he looked like a complete amateur in there, don't get me wrong, he actually looked better then I thought he would but he was still nowhere near what should be stepping into the ring at that level of boxing.
I think if McGregor had a rock solid engine it would have been a different fight, and I am 100% confident Mayweather still would have walked away the winner, and it probably would have been even less pretty of a spectacle!
Sorry for the long winded answer, see why I didn't want to do it on me phone
Excellent post and sums up my view exactly0 -
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