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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Mellor wrote: »
    Fair play Walshb. The result was as you (and many others) said it would be.
    But it's also refreshing for you to hold up your hands and highlight the parts you got wrong. You're in a clear minority, and my hat is off to you.

    I'm finding some of the goalpost moving today to be comical.

    PreFight
    "He won't land a punch"
    "He won't last 3 rounds"
    "[Insert spoofy bet comment]"


    Then trying to somehow acting like the fight and result justified those opinions. LoLWut?


    Conor wasn't the reason the fight lasted 10 rounds . It was Floyds . As usual he wanted a finish but only when there was literally no risk attached to it

    I thought Conor was really poor . I genuinely did . His power didn't translate and he was breathing out his ass after 2 rounds . Any other boxer not obsessed by his unbeaten record would of had him out of there .

    People saying Conor landed all these punches . Its more embarrassing that Floyd was literally walking him down in a straight line . maybe I'm a bitter boxing snob


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Floyd via DQ
    It's something that seems to be getting lost alright, when you are constantly walking someone down in a straight line you are going to take contact, it's not like it was counter punch masterclass mayweather

    He knew what he was in there against, he knew there was nothing to trouble him and he would be fighting a punching bag in the mid to late rounds.

    I don't like mayweather but he knew what he wanted to do and did it

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Conor wasn't the reason the fight lasted 10 rounds . It was Floyds . As usual he wanted a finish but only when there was literally no risk attached to it

    I thought Conor was really poor . I genuinely did . His power didn't translate and he was breathing out his ass after 2 rounds . Any other boxer not obsessed by his unbeaten record would of had him out of there .

    People saying Conor landed all these punches . Its more embarrassing that Floyd was literally walking him down in a straight line . maybe I'm a bitter boxing snob

    You seem to be a snob..walking him down and landing eff all..

    Take the rose tinted boxing glasses off..

    Conor is not a boxer. I get this. He'd be decimated by several pro boxers out there, which makes Floyd's performance, or should I say, struggle even more leaky!

    Don't you think it sad that it appeared that the only area where Floyd was superior last night was stamina?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,288 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    walshb wrote: »
    You seem to be a snob..walking him down and landing eff all..

    Take the rose tinted boxing glasses off..

    Conor is not a boxer. I get this. He'd be decimated by several pro boxers out there, which makes Floyd's performance, or should I say, struggle even more leaky!

    Don't you think it sad that it appeared that the only area where Floyd was superior last night was stamina?

    Just watched the fight online and I thought McGregor did brilliantly. For a guy having his first ever pro fight and to go ten rounds with Mayweather was impressive, he was far from outclassed either.

    The amount of boxing snobs out there today is incredible. They are all over social media and comments sections rubbishing McGregor and describing the fight as a farce. It's almost as if they consider it an affront that an MMA guy would step into the ring.

    Funnily enough, the genuine knowledgeable boxing people on Twitter are full of praise for McGregor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Conor via DQ
    I'm a very casual observer of both mma and boxing. I was struck by mcgregor, the younger man, being fatigued after say round 4 while mayweather seemed in good nick right up until the finish.

    Is it a different training regime that explains this?

    Mayweather aim was to last the distance whereas mcgregor was hoping to go in hard and early and hope it does the job but if it didn't, he's in serious trouble?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    walshb wrote: »
    That's just it. I have no reason to be anything but honest. I said it from the start. The result and whatever happens makes no difference to me. Boxing moves on. The sport I love moves on. I never considered this an actual boxing contest. Floyd is still 49-9 for me..nothing has changed for me throughout this..
    Nobody has any real reason to be anything but honest in a forum like this, but it's rarely what we get. I've had my opinion from the start, and now the dust has settled, I wouldn't change any of it in hindsight.
    Conor wasn't the reason the fight lasted 10 rounds . It was Floyds . As usual he wanted a finish but only when there was literally no risk attached to it
    Whoever the reason was isn't relevant though.
    Through all the build up, the fight was only ever Floyd vrs Conor. What hypothetical power puncher does verses Conor wasn't ever a factor. Floyd didn't go out and do anything he hasn't done before. The fight was straight out of the playbook. Yet lots of people took Floyds obvious superiority to the point of pure hyperbole. I don't know whether it was down to arrogance or underestimating. Probably both.

    The no punches, over in 3 schtick was fantasy stuff. I said as much before the fight. Could Floyd have put him away in 2 rounds? Sure. But that was never going to happen. Bizzare that people where so adamant that it would, and just funny today that they hide behind the win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,288 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm a very casual observer of both mma and boxing. I was struck by mcgregor, the younger man, being fatigued after say round 4 while mayweather seemed in good nick right up until the finish.

    Is it a different training regime that explains this?

    Mayweather aim was to last the distance whereas mcgregor was hoping to go in hard and early and hope it does the job but if it didn't, he's in serious trouble?

    Yes, I think the amount of time McGregor would have spent learning to box and building up his strength means he wouldn't have had time to work on his conditioning as well.

    His best chance of victory by far would have been to knock Mayweather out in the opening four rounds. 12 rounds would always have meant Floyd winning on points, just because of his experience and guile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Floyd via DQ
    I don't know what fight some of you were watching. Mayweather was never troubled, barely broke a sweat.

    McGregor was good... for a guy from a different sport fighting his first ever professional fight, but if a pro boxer came along and fought like that we would all be laughing.

    It was a farce from announcement to finish. Anybody that thinks McGregor fought well as a boxer is deluded. He boxed well for an MMA fighter and that's about all the praise he should get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,990 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    He's a bigger man .
    Floyd will never have met someone who moves like this.
    One punch from "that" left hand and it's over.
    He's 11 years younger and time waits for no man.
    His power will destroy Floyd.
    Mayweather won't figure him out.



    Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

    Mayweather stalked him like an animal waiting for its prey to tire before going in for the kill. It was obvious that when the ref broke the clinch that Floyd was pushing his arm to get at McGregor.

    As for the poster who posted here a few weeks ago that McGregor takes Canelo....McGregor would have been leaving the arena on a stretcher if that fight took place last night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Floyd via DQ
    Conor wasn't the reason the fight lasted 10 rounds . It was Floyds . As usual he wanted a finish but only when there was literally no risk attached to it

    I thought Conor was really poor . I genuinely did . His power didn't translate and he was breathing out his ass after 2 rounds . Any other boxer not obsessed by his unbeaten record would of had him out of there .

    People saying Conor landed all these punches . Its more embarrassing that Floyd was literally walking him down in a straight line . maybe I'm a bitter boxing snob

    I find it hard not to give Conor some credit, for his early work in the fight...

    But you are right, Floyd was walking him down. Something that is not his natural game. So it makes sense that he might get caught with one or two shots.

    I still think he got his strategy spot on... you don't want to give a guy like Conor, the opportunity to push you back and bully you. He is a confidence fighter!
    It's something that seems to be getting lost alright, when you are constantly walking someone down in a straight line you are going to take contact, it's not like it was counter punch masterclass mayweather

    He knew what he was in there against, he knew there was nothing to trouble him and he would be fighting a punching bag in the mid to late rounds.

    I don't like mayweather but he knew what he wanted to do and did it

    His gameplan was so incredibly simple. But effective!

    Why are more MMA fans not talking about Conor's complete lack of punching power?? Against a smaller man...

    So many people, were convinced that Conor's power would be a factor, at least in the early rounds. But it wasn't at all.

    I think even Conor was surprised by Floyd's total lack of respect for his punches.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    I didn't watch it myself - a bit interested but far from the point of watching it in the middle of the night - and I presume it was very, very, very, etc unlikely to be other than a Mayweather win. One thing that strikes me though is the people saying what a farce of a mismatch it was, a farce, McGregor was a joke & so on, a comedy of an event . . .

    And yet they still watched it. Is there so little going on in people's lives?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    I'm a very casual observer of both mma and boxing. I was struck by mcgregor, the younger man, being fatigued after say round 4 while mayweather seemed in good nick right up until the finish.

    Is it a different training regime that explains this?

    Mayweather aim was to last the distance whereas mcgregor was hoping to go in hard and early and hope it does the job but if it didn't, he's in serious trouble?

    He puts more weight behind his punches than Mayweather. That will tire you out, as well as Floyd really nailing the body after round 2.

    Conditioning wise, Conor is used to fighting 15 mins or 25. MMA pace is totally different to boxing. That said him gassing could be because he has a low ceiling stamina wise, it could be mental adrenaline dump or it could just be that he's not conditioned for boxing at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    The most glaringly unimpressive area from Floyd was his defence..

    Apart from getting hit a fair bit, his D came across as more desperation as opposed to composed and effortless..

    Almost cowering at times, as well as that real desperation of turning his back completely..., and trying to blame Conor..

    Floyd for me is cooked, and I hope he stays retired...

    I said it a while ago that the top WWs today would be too much for him..

    He has next to no offence, at least in the sense of elite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    pelevin wrote: »
    I didn't watch it myself - a bit interested but far from the point of watching it in the middle of the night - and I presume it was very, very, very, etc unlikely to be other than a Mayweather win. One thing that strikes me though is the people saying what a farce of a mismatch it was, a farce, McGregor was a joke & so on, a comedy of an event . . .

    And yet they still watched it. Is there so little going on in people's lives?!

    This genuinely surprises you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-





    His gameplan was so incredibly simple. But effective!

    Why are more MMA fans not talking about Conor's complete lack of punching power?? Against a smaller man...

    So many people, were convinced that Conor's power would be a factor, at least in the early rounds. But it wasn't at all.

    I think even Conor was surprised by Floyd's total lack of respect for his punches.

    On punching power, it doesn't directly translate from sport to sport. Conor literally touches people in MMA and they fall down, but that is as much to do with his timing and precision in 4oz gloves. He knows how to find the soft spot on the chin and temple with those, it's more difficult to do it in boxing against a bigger guard and having big gloves on. Technique is also totally different punching wise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    walshb wrote: »
    The most glaringly unimpressive area from Floyd was his defence..

    Apart from getting hit a fair bit, his D came across as more desperation as opposed to composed and effortless..

    Almost cowering at times, as well as that real desperation of turning his back completely..., and trying to blame Conor..

    Floyd for me is cooked, and I hope he stays retired...

    I said it a while ago that the top WWs today would be too much for him..

    He has next to no offence, at least in the sense of elite.

    Errol Spence would probably KO him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Lukker- wrote: »
    Errol Spence would probably KO him

    I'd make Spence a solid favorite... too much intensity, variation, and can box and box..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    It's something that seems to be getting lost alright, when you are constantly walking someone down in a straight line you are going to take contact, it's not like it was counter punch masterclass mayweather

    He knew what he was in there against, he knew there was nothing to trouble him and he would be fighting a punching bag in the mid to late rounds.

    I don't like mayweather but he knew what he wanted to do and did it

    I don't know on this..

    I think it worked out very well for Floyd that Conor gassed..

    Here's one for you and us: let's say Conor's engine was rock solid. Can you say that Floyd beats him on points? I can't say for sure, because for me it was not a case of Floyd biding his time and waiting for his man to gas. It was a case of him not being able to get to it impose a decent successful offence on the longer rangier man, and kind of lucky that Conor's engine depleted.

    Any time Floyd launched his offence on a fresh Conor he had no success..it took Conor to be out on his feet before Floyd started landing clean..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Floyd via DQ
    Lukker- wrote: »
    On punching power, it doesn't directly translate from sport to sport. Conor literally touches people in MMA and they fall down, but that is as much to do with his timing and precision in 4oz gloves. He knows how to find the soft spot on the chin and temple with those, it's more difficult to do it in boxing against a bigger guard and having big gloves on. Technique is also totally different punching wise.

    Of course it doesn't translate... because boxers punch harder, and get punched harder!

    That really should be obvious... but for some reason, so many people seemed to think that Conor's power would be a factor early on. It wasn't... and many of us called this before the fight.

    But MMA fans are not really talking about this! Floyd walked him down, and showed complete disregard for that "big left"...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/901697016777998338

    Teddy's rage is hilarious. The absolute state of boxing. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Mellor wrote: »

    The no punches, over in 3 schtick was fantasy stuff. I said as much before the fight. Could Floyd have put him away in 2 rounds? Sure. But that was never going to happen. Bizzare that people where so adamant that it would, and just funny today that they hide behind the win.

    Agreed.

    This is just it..hiding behind the win is not my style..

    The points you make should be addressed. Fight your corner. Admit your errors

    Break the fight down honestly and clearly..

    I only got the verdict correct as regards the official winner.

    The rest Floyd let me down on, as well as Conor pulling me up on..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    chupacabra wrote: »
    This genuinely surprises you?

    It doesn't really surprise me but it is noticeable people talking of it frmo a vantage point of superiority about what an empty event it was, and seemingly from watching it pleased to declare how worthless is was as a sporting encounter.

    Well if they knew it as so worthless, why the hell did they invest the time in watching it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭fernrock


    Is there any significance in the fact that RTE sent a female sports reporter who always reports on male rugby internationals to Las Vegas . While the womens rugby world cup was taking place approx 60 miles from the studio.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    Agreed.

    This is just it..hiding behind the win is not my style..

    The points you make should be addressed. Fight your corner. Admit your errors

    Break the fight down honestly and clearly..

    I only got the verdict correct as regards the official winner.

    The rest Floyd let me down on, as well as Conor pulling me up on..

    I agree Floyd was very poor . But your praise of Conor is strange . He was as bad as I thought he was going to be .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    I don't know on this..

    I think it worked out very well for Floyd that Conor gassed..

    Here's one for you and us: let's say Conor's engine was rock solid. Can you say that Floyd beats him on points? I can't say for sure, because for me it was not a case of Floyd biding his time and waiting for his man to gas. It was a case of him not being able to get to it impose a decent successful offence on the longer rangier man, and kind if lucky that Conor's engine depleted.

    But Walsh, conditioning has always been integral to any boxer... we all know this...

    So why write it off, as if you're taking it for granted? Boxing is every bit as much about conditioning, as it is about skill... so naturally that will also affect your fight tactics too!

    Floyd outlasts other pro boxers too... it's not just something he decided to use against the novice in this fight.

    40 is ancient in pro sports... I still think it's impressive, that a 40 year old can look younger, and move better than a 29 year old fellow sportsman! It's not something we should be flippant about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Conor via DQ
    His gameplan was so incredibly simple. But effective!

    Why are more MMA fans not talking about Conor's complete lack of punching power?? Against a smaller man...

    So many people, were convinced that Conor's power would be a factor, at least in the early rounds. But it wasn't at all.

    I think even Conor was surprised by Floyd's total lack of respect for his punches.

    I think they have....his punching power and he does have it in mma didn't cross over, at all! he landed nothing apart from 1 uppercut that didn't faze Mayweather .......it appears those who called it are correct, the sports are worlds apart .....an mma fighter doesn't translate to boxing no more than a boxer translates to mma..........I hope he gives this idea up because he's really not very good at it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    I agree Floyd was very poor . But your praise of Conor is strange . He was as bad as I thought he was going to be .

    What praise?

    I am praising him in context..

    As a complete novice pro he was ok. Did very very well.

    Add this to him in against what many people call TBE, and to not praise him is pure stupidity.

    Now, one could not praise him and use Floyd being useless as their reasoning. Is that you?

    If not, and you genuinely think that Conor deserves little praise, then you must surely think that Floyd was very poor to have to work that much to get over the line against a novice pro that "you" believe deserves little to no praise..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,449 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    But Walsh, conditioning has always been integral to any boxer... we all know this...

    So why write it off, as if you're taking it for granted? Boxing is every bit as much about conditioning, as it is about skill... so naturally that will also affect your fight tactics too!

    Floyd outlasts other pro boxers too... it's not just something he decided to use against the novice in this fight.

    40 is ancient in pro sports... I still think it's impressive, that a 40 year old can look younger, and move better than a 29 year old fellow sportsman! It's not something we should be flippant about.

    I get that..I was simply asking the question..

    Because it seemed to me that it was TBEs only advantage. That's sad..

    That TBE could not excel or beat up or outbox a novice pro whilst novice pro was fit and fresh..

    I mean, did I watch a different fight, because that is what it looked to me.

    Floyd looked lost in their at times. Awkward, frustrated, ineffective and searching..

    What was your take on his performance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    What praise?

    I am praising him in context..

    As a complete novice pro he was ok. Did very very well.

    Add this to him in against what many people call TBE, and to not praise him is pure stupidity.

    Now, one could not praise him and use Floyd being useless as their reasoning. Is that you?

    If not, and you genuinely think that Conor deserves little praise, then you must surely think that Floyd was very poor to have to work that much to get over the line against a novice pro that "you" believe deserves little to no praise..

    What do I praise him for ? He was awkward the first 2 rounds while Floyd done nothing . Then he gassed and Floyd literally walked in straight lines until Conor had nothing left and ended the fight

    It was brutal all round.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Floyd via DQ
    walshb wrote: »
    Agreed.

    This is just it..hiding behind the win is not my style..

    The points you make should be addressed. Fight your corner. Admit your errors

    Break the fight down honestly and clearly..

    I only got the verdict correct as regards the official winner.

    The rest Floyd let me down on, as well as Conor pulling me up on..

    No you didn't... for whatever reason, you are choosing to undersell yourself??

    You predicted a number of things correctly, just like quite a few of us around here...

    You said, or agreed:

    That Conor's power would not be a big factor... and it wasn't.

    That Conor would have problems dealing with the pace... and he did have big problems.

    That Floyd would finish him. (yes, it went longer - but you still predicted a finish)

    There were other things too... but those are fairly big factors, and you got them right.

    But most importantly, you were on the sane side of history... when so many people were losing their mind and predicting a Conor win. (even possibly an easy win)

    I don't care if you want to undersell yourself... but it's not exactly an honest representation tbf.


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