Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

walshb wrote: »

I was expecting an ATG to be somewhat dominant against a novice pro..

If we take off our boxing and MMA glasses off and remove bias and like/dislike and assess this on purely a pro boxing event and the two combatants, how anyone could consider Floyd coming out if it looking in any way good is bonkers..

Conor was the "winner" in that regard...

Floyd's only way to get credit from me was a clearly dominant win..that performance was so far from it..had to actually rely on a novice gassing..

It's Floyd Mayweather, remember...mr. TBE...

He barely threw a punch for 2 rounds . He waited until their was a 0% chance he could lose . Thats the way he's always been . It was a ****show from when it was announced . Moving on

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dominick Cruz made the point over a year ago that Conor is a fast-twitch muscle fighter in the same vein of an Anthony Johnson/Yoel Romero.

In plain English, Cruz's point was Conor can do all the cycling and running he wants, he can get into sub-3-hour marathon shape, and he'll still start to gas after 10 minutes of fighting because he explodes into shots.

Dominick reckoned there is no fixing the issue. His stamina is amazing. His cardio is amazing. There's just no fixing those flat-spots unless he completely alters how he fights.

There is something you can do to improve it a lot and the way McGregor is training now is probably the worst way you could train an FT fiber athlete for endurance. There are 3 major muscle divers called fast, intermediate and slow. The fast ones provide power and explosiveness but fatigue very easily while the slow fibers are based around endurance. Those percentage of those fibers you have are genetically inherited and cannot be changed. However, the other group called intermediate fibers can be either used as fast twitch or slow twitch depending on how they are trained.

Using high intensity short interval training like McGregors FAST training is a death nail to endurance in Fast twitch dominant athletes are the recruitment pattern uses fast twitch fibers and utilises the intermediate fibers as FT as well.

The only real way to train these intermediate fibers to become Slow twitch is through low-mid intensity workouts which are aerobic in nature as you want to tire out your slow twitch fibers so your body learns to recruit the intermediate ones for endurance and not power. As McGregor isn't training to be a runner or cyclist and doesn't have time to train 10-20 hours a week on that so, 40-60 minute Steady aerobic efforts with a weekly tempo effort would be ideal for him, not HIIT training.

I'd presume it's all over YouTube already? Might not be HD quality visually or sonically but I'd assume it's all over the gaff.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dominick Cruz made the point over a year ago that Conor is a fast-twitch muscle fighter in the same vein of an Anthony Johnson/Yoel Romero.

In plain English, Cruz's point was Conor can do all the cycling and running he wants, he can get into sub-3-hour marathon shape, and he'll still start to gas after 10 minutes of fighting because he explodes into shots.

Dominick reckoned there is no fixing the issue. His stamina is amazing. His cardio is amazing. There's just no fixing those flat-spots unless he completely alters how he fights.

I disagree with Cruz... it can be fixed, but not in 6-10 weeks. It takes months and years of toiling away. (even for the most gifted of natural athletes)

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what type of athlete Conor is in an MMA fight, or any fight... I've been saying it about him for years now... and I believe he intentionally trains to be that kind of fighter and athlete. It's no accident. His goal when entering MMA, was to end fights early and get finishes...

1)Because you sustain less damage - and he has talked about his worries about brain damage before.

2)Because early finishes allow you to stay fresh, fight more often, and earn more paydays!

3)Because spectacular early finishes, are very exciting for fans. So you can build a large fanbase and get bigger PPVs and fight bonuses!

His fighting style and the way he conditions himself, is no accident. It is very much by design!

The problem, is that once your opponents figure this out (which Diaz did - and Floyd did)... They can try to weather that early storm, and drag you into those championship rounds... then it's a very different fight.

Diaz didn't really have the talent, to capitalise on Conor's fatigue in that 2nd fight. Floyd had no such problems!

As for the fight, Floyd coasts the first 3 rounds in every single fight but Conor still landed some great shots in those rounds and was up 3-0 on most scorecards. Now, so are most of Floyd's opponents... he coasts early... but Conor still fared well to win those rounds.

In fairness to him, he did connect clean a few times.. credit where it's due.

But as predicted, his power did not transfer over to the boxing world... And it wasn't because of the gloves, or the different style/movements.

It is because, top boxers do not get put down by the kind of shots that Conor is hitting UFC fighters with... Nothing Conor hit Floyd with, actually hurt him in any way! Floyd knew this before the fight... which is why he had no problem reducing the gloves!

They could have worn MMA gloves, and it still would not have made any real difference.

Anyway, it's all pointless now. I had no interest in seeing him box in the first place and we have a clear answer to any delusions - he can't beat any elite boxer *right now* without IMO a solid 2 years of work dedicated to boxing and EVEN THEN he doesn't beat a top 20 opponent unless he makes dramatic gains in skill.

I think he did a good job, of fashioning himself into a decent boxer. For part of the fight anyway.

I actually feared he might get embarrassed or badly hurt in this fight... especially if he tried to do anything foolish, like using MMA styles/movements in there...

But he did become a boxer. And he certainly wasn't embarrassed on the night. Outclassed and outworked... but there is no shame in that.

He's better than most thought he is and worse than plenty (me) believed. His power has always been a myth - it's his accuracy that drops opponents in MMA. He wasn't accurate enough, even when he landed clean it was on the nose. He landed 3 lovely body jabs and one left hook to the body, one check hook to the face and the upper cut.

He has power in MMA... but that is not the same, as having power in a boxing match against a top pro.

Many of the guys, that he is finishing in the UFC... they simply don't have the stand-up skills or conditioning, to take that punishment.

But that's not taking anything away from his UFC achievements. Because you can only beat who is put in front of you.

blade1 wrote: »

Well done, you've just won stupidest post of the whole thread!

have you been following this thread?

walshb wrote: »

That's just it. I have no reason to be anything but honest. I said it from the start. The result and whatever happens makes no difference to me. Boxing moves on. The sport I love moves on. I never considered this an actual boxing contest. Floyd is still 49-9 for me..nothing has changed for me throughout this..

Conor impressed me from a wanting to do well and win point of view..

In the rds where he was fit he won. Floyd did not beat him or outbox him in the rds where Conor was fit. People can make excuses saying he allowed Conor these. Pure BS. Floyd simply could not impose any offence on Conor for several rds..end of..

Then Conor weakens and tires....and Floyd comes on...but, he didn't at all impose that much. He walked Conor down, but his offence was still poor, and it was actually Conor throwing and landing more. People giving these rds to Floyd more because Conor was gassing than Floyd winning. Pathetic..

Only when Conor became quite tired and jaded did Floyd impose an offence. Sure I could have done that. Conor was out on his feet..

Rd 9 he was out and Floyd looked useless trying to close the show..

People will say I am being too harsh on a 40 year old Floyd..

Nonsense. When you're pouncing around claiming TBE and "can't nobody beat me," you better deliver against a man from a different sport in his pro debut..

He failed miserably for me when I analyse everything..

poor performance from floyd, he's done imo, was surprised how inaccurate he was with a lot of the shots he wound up on.

Id imagine thats the end of mcgregor in boxing as from what i saw last night he's beating nobody of any note from 147 up.