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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

I was expecting an ATG to be somewhat dominant against a novice pro..

If we take off our boxing and MMA glasses off and remove bias and like/dislike and assess this on purely a pro boxing event and the two combatants, how anyone could consider Floyd coming out if it looking in any way good is bonkers..

Conor was the "winner" in that regard...

Floyd's only way to get credit from me was a clearly dominant win..that performance was so far from it..had to actually rely on a novice gassing..

It's Floyd Mayweather, remember...mr. TBE...

He barely threw a punch for 2 rounds . He waited until their was a 0% chance he could lose . Thats the way he's always been . It was a ****show from when it was announced . Moving on

SlickRic

paleoperson wrote: »

Nonsense, that's the one thing we can and should knock him for the most. If he's a fake money grubber, just doing it for the money.

If he's a ****-talker but can't walk the walk, that's bad enough. If he's a ****-talker doing it just for the money then he's a liar and a scam, not an honest man.

This whole idea "if it makes him money then he's winning from it" is not true at all. You can make money and not be a scam.

He didn't put one gun to one person's head to buy the fight.

There's no scam here. A scam is if he nicked your bank details through nefarious means.

He offered a product at a price and people bought it. People know he wasn't a pro boxer. They went in eyes open. End of. No scam.

normanoffside

walshb wrote: »

I was expecting an ATG to be somewhat dominant against a novice pro..

If we take off our boxing and MMA glasses off and remove bias and like/dislike and assess this on purely a pro boxing event and the two combatants, how anyone could consider Floyd coming out if it looking in any way good is bonkers..

Conor was the "winner" in that regard...

Floyd's only way to get "credit" from me was a clearly dominant win..that performance was so far from it..had to actually rely on a novice gassing..

It's Floyd Mayweather, remember...mr. TBE...

I agree that Floyd was pathetic and ridiculously over cautious. At the same stage that's exactly what I expected

sniperman

glad his big mouth is finally shut.

J Mysterio

marcus001 wrote: »

"If anyone wants a knock give me a shout"

lol, that was priceless.

enda1

normanoffside wrote: »

I agree that Floyd was pathetic and ridiculously over cautious. At the same stage that's exactly what I expected

There's a reason Mayweather is 50-0. He doesn't take risks.

He deemed the highest probability of winning was to allow McGregor lose his strength and punch himself out in the early rounds while frustrating him through turning his back and dropping his head.

To have gone in guns blazing would simply have played into Conor's hands and given him the slim chance of landing a knockout punch.

Masterclass from Mayweather in playing to your strengths and expoloiting your opponents weaknesses.

El Caballo

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dominick Cruz made the point over a year ago that Conor is a fast-twitch muscle fighter in the same vein of an Anthony Johnson/Yoel Romero.

In plain English, Cruz's point was Conor can do all the cycling and running he wants, he can get into sub-3-hour marathon shape, and he'll still start to gas after 10 minutes of fighting because he explodes into shots.

Dominick reckoned there is no fixing the issue. His stamina is amazing. His cardio is amazing. There's just no fixing those flat-spots unless he completely alters how he fights.

There is something you can do to improve it a lot and the way McGregor is training now is probably the worst way you could train an FT fiber athlete for endurance. There are 3 major muscle divers called fast, intermediate and slow. The fast ones provide power and explosiveness but fatigue very easily while the slow fibers are based around endurance. Those percentage of those fibers you have are genetically inherited and cannot be changed. However, the other group called intermediate fibers can be either used as fast twitch or slow twitch depending on how they are trained.

Using high intensity short interval training like McGregors FAST training is a death nail to endurance in Fast twitch dominant athletes are the recruitment pattern uses fast twitch fibers and utilises the intermediate fibers as FT as well.

The only real way to train these intermediate fibers to become Slow twitch is through low-mid intensity workouts which are aerobic in nature as you want to tire out your slow twitch fibers so your body learns to recruit the intermediate ones for endurance and not power. As McGregor isn't training to be a runner or cyclist and doesn't have time to train 10-20 hours a week on that so, 40-60 minute Steady aerobic efforts with a weekly tempo effort would be ideal for him, not HIIT training.

awec

Will this be replayed anywhere? Wouldn't mind watching but didn't want to pay 25 quid for it.

Burial.

I'd presume it's all over YouTube already? Might not be HD quality visually or sonically but I'd assume it's all over the gaff.

begbysback

Theres replays on youtube - not sure if they are legal though

ThinkProgress

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dominick Cruz made the point over a year ago that Conor is a fast-twitch muscle fighter in the same vein of an Anthony Johnson/Yoel Romero.

In plain English, Cruz's point was Conor can do all the cycling and running he wants, he can get into sub-3-hour marathon shape, and he'll still start to gas after 10 minutes of fighting because he explodes into shots.

Dominick reckoned there is no fixing the issue. His stamina is amazing. His cardio is amazing. There's just no fixing those flat-spots unless he completely alters how he fights.

I disagree with Cruz... it can be fixed, but not in 6-10 weeks. It takes months and years of toiling away. (even for the most gifted of natural athletes)

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what type of athlete Conor is in an MMA fight, or any fight... I've been saying it about him for years now... and I believe he intentionally trains to be that kind of fighter and athlete. It's no accident. His goal when entering MMA, was to end fights early and get finishes...

1)Because you sustain less damage - and he has talked about his worries about brain damage before.

2)Because early finishes allow you to stay fresh, fight more often, and earn more paydays!

3)Because spectacular early finishes, are very exciting for fans. So you can build a large fanbase and get bigger PPVs and fight bonuses!

His fighting style and the way he conditions himself, is no accident. It is very much by design!

The problem, is that once your opponents figure this out (which Diaz did - and Floyd did)... They can try to weather that early storm, and drag you into those championship rounds... then it's a very different fight.

Diaz didn't really have the talent, to capitalise on Conor's fatigue in that 2nd fight. Floyd had no such problems!

As for the fight, Floyd coasts the first 3 rounds in every single fight but Conor still landed some great shots in those rounds and was up 3-0 on most scorecards. Now, so are most of Floyd's opponents... he coasts early... but Conor still fared well to win those rounds.

In fairness to him, he did connect clean a few times.. credit where it's due.

But as predicted, his power did not transfer over to the boxing world... And it wasn't because of the gloves, or the different style/movements.

It is because, top boxers do not get put down by the kind of shots that Conor is hitting UFC fighters with... Nothing Conor hit Floyd with, actually hurt him in any way! Floyd knew this before the fight... which is why he had no problem reducing the gloves!

They could have worn MMA gloves, and it still would not have made any real difference.

Anyway, it's all pointless now. I had no interest in seeing him box in the first place and we have a clear answer to any delusions - he can't beat any elite boxer *right now* without IMO a solid 2 years of work dedicated to boxing and EVEN THEN he doesn't beat a top 20 opponent unless he makes dramatic gains in skill.

I think he did a good job, of fashioning himself into a decent boxer. For part of the fight anyway.

I actually feared he might get embarrassed or badly hurt in this fight... especially if he tried to do anything foolish, like using MMA styles/movements in there...

But he did become a boxer. And he certainly wasn't embarrassed on the night. Outclassed and outworked... but there is no shame in that.

He's better than most thought he is and worse than plenty (me) believed. His power has always been a myth - it's his accuracy that drops opponents in MMA. He wasn't accurate enough, even when he landed clean it was on the nose. He landed 3 lovely body jabs and one left hook to the body, one check hook to the face and the upper cut.

He has power in MMA... but that is not the same, as having power in a boxing match against a top pro.

Many of the guys, that he is finishing in the UFC... they simply don't have the stand-up skills or conditioning, to take that punishment.

But that's not taking anything away from his UFC achievements. Because you can only beat who is put in front of you.

ThinkProgress

awec wrote: »

Will this be replayed anywhere? Wouldn't mind watching but didn't want to pay 25 quid for it.

Same here... I got the full fight on youtube an hour ago. Decent quality too!

Not going to post the link, as the mods will probably ban me!

CIARAN_BOYLE

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Same here... I got the full fight on youtube an hour ago. Decent quality too!

Not going to post the link, as the mods will probably ban me!

Me too.

The one I watched has since been taken down for copyright reasons.

Look for something 26 minutes long if it cuts out the breaks between rounds or 45 minutes long for full coverage.

Mantis Toboggan

Mcgregor done alot better than I thought he would but I thought the ref was correct to end it when he did. Floyd looked 40 last night and it's probably for the best that he won't be back. Glad it's all over now though and the real boxing can resume.

titan18

If anyone wants to watch an actual fight, go watch Cotto vs Kamegai, far more entertaining. That, or I'll see ye all on September 9th for 2 FOTY candidates

The Golden Miller

As expected, an easy fight for Mayweather. Conor certainly didn't embarrass himself, but did look amateurish at times. By Mayweather standards, he fought in a very open manner and still won comfortably, as he could afford to to give the fans a bit of a spectacle. Had he fought that open against someone like Pacquiao at his best he probably would of been KO'd. His openness made it look like Conor did better than he actually did as he landed a few shots. Had he fought Floyd at his defensive best, Conor probably wouldn't have landed a shot.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

Pretty much everyone who posted on this fight was wrong in some aspect..

All I got right was the winner..

I was wrong on the duration. I had Floyd in 6...

It took him 10 rds..

I was wrong as regards dominance...

Plain and simple when all things considerer, Floyd was awful in there...

Couldn't land for several rds. Turning his back every ten seconds looking for the referee to help him..

Floyd won because Conor gassed. That is actually pathetic. Had Conor been boxing fit what would Floyd have done?

I said from the start that Floyd deserves no credit no matter what..

In fact he comes out of this looking silly...struggling to throw and land for many rds against a novice..

Conor...fair play. Came to win and made Floyd look pretty useless for several rds..

Looking at Conor the boxer...he would never make it..awkward, but just not a boxer...hasn't the speed, power, boxing coordination from what I seen..but that is s just a boxing sssessment..

Floyd has come out if this looking ridiculous IMO..

I mean, throw in Canelo or Spence or any top fighter today and they would have dispatched Conor quick fast...

It took TBE ten rds, and many of them he barely landed a punch, and lost some of them.

Fair play Walshb. The result was as you (and many others) said it would be.
But it's also refreshing for you to hold up your hands and highlight the parts you got wrong. You're in a clear minority, and my hat is off to you.

I'm finding some of the goalpost moving today to be comical.

PreFight
"He won't land a punch"
"He won't last 3 rounds"
"[Insert spoofy bet comment]"

Then trying to somehow acting like the fight and result justified those opinions. LoLWut?

Alfred Borden

Think Floyd does him inside the Octagon too.

blade1

titan18 wrote: »

If anyone wants to watch an actual fight, go watch Cotto vs Kamegai, far more entertaining. That, or I'll see ye all on September 9th for 2 FOTY candidates

I was watching that and switched over as I wanted to see Gervonta Davies put on a masterclass!
Boy did I get that one wrong!
But shur look, I wasn't the only one that got something wrong last night!!:p

blade1

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Think Floyd does him inside the Octagon too.

Well done, you've just won stupidest post of the whole thread!

begbysback

blade1 wrote: »

Well done, you've just won stupidest post of the whole thread!

have you been following this thread?

Lukker-

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Think Floyd does him inside the Octagon too.

Floyd would out grapple him for sure :rolleyes:

blade1

begbysback wrote: »

have you been following this thread?

Yes,right from the start

TheAnalyst_

Lukker- wrote: »

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Think Floyd does him inside the Octagon too.

Floyd would out grapple him for sure :rolleyes:

McGregor is a puncher in MMA. He doesn't have much else so I suspect Mayweather could be a bad matchup.

Lukker-

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

McGregor is a puncher in MMA. He doesn't have much else so I suspect Mayweather could be a bad matchup.

He'd tear Floyd's ligaments with leg kicks and destroy him standing up or on the ground. Boxing isn't the same in MMA as it is in the sport of boxing, it'd be over in less than a minute and you are delusional if you think otherwise

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

Fair play Walshb. The result was as you (and many others) said it would be.
But it's also refreshing for you to hold up your hands and highlight the parts you got wrong. You're in a clear minority, and my hat is off to you.

I'm finding some of the goalpost moving today to be comical.

PreFight
"He won't land a punch"
"He won't last 3 rounds"
"[Insert spoofy bet comment]"

Then trying to somehow acting like the fight and result justified those opinions. LoLWut?

That's just it. I have no reason to be anything but honest. I said it from the start. The result and whatever happens makes no difference to me. Boxing moves on. The sport I love moves on. I never considered this an actual boxing contest. Floyd is still 49-0 for me..nothing has changed for me throughout this..

Conor impressed me from a wanting to do well and win point of view..

In the rds where he was fit he won. Floyd did not beat him or outbox him in the rds where Conor was fit. People can make excuses saying he allowed Conor these. Pure BS. Floyd simply could not impose any offence on Conor for several rds..end of..

Then Conor weakens and tires....and Floyd comes on...but, he didn't at all impose that much. He walked Conor down, but his offence was still poor, and it was actually Conor throwing and landing more. People giving these rds to Floyd more because Conor was gassing than Floyd winning. Pathetic..

Only when Conor became quite tired and jaded did Floyd impose an offence. Sure I could have done that. Conor was out on his feet..

Rd 9 he was out and Floyd looked useless trying to close the show..

People will say I am being too harsh on a 40 year old Floyd..

Nonsense. When you're pouncing around claiming TBE and "can't nobody beat me," you better deliver against a man from a different sport in his pro debut..

He failed miserably for me when I analyse everything..

walshb

Btw, I am absolutely convinced Floyd has 0 chance in the Octagon.

sonofenoch

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

McGregor is a puncher in MMA. He doesn't have much else so I suspect Mayweather could be a bad matchup.

Give over....he kick his legs to shreds and throw him round like a ragdoll, Conor's ground game is his weakest but against Floyd he'd be a master

Halloween Jack

walshb wrote: »

That's just it. I have no reason to be anything but honest. I said it from the start. The result and whatever happens makes no difference to me. Boxing moves on. The sport I love moves on. I never considered this an actual boxing contest. Floyd is still 49-9 for me..nothing has changed for me throughout this..

Conor impressed me from a wanting to do well and win point of view..

In the rds where he was fit he won. Floyd did not beat him or outbox him in the rds where Conor was fit. People can make excuses saying he allowed Conor these. Pure BS. Floyd simply could not impose any offence on Conor for several rds..end of..

Then Conor weakens and tires....and Floyd comes on...but, he didn't at all impose that much. He walked Conor down, but his offence was still poor, and it was actually Conor throwing and landing more. People giving these rds to Floyd more because Conor was gassing than Floyd winning. Pathetic..

Only when Conor became quite tired and jaded did Floyd impose an offence. Sure I could have done that. Conor was out on his feet..

Rd 9 he was out and Floyd looked useless trying to close the show..

People will say I am being too harsh on a 40 year old Floyd..

Nonsense. When you're pouncing around claiming TBE and "can't nobody beat me," you better deliver against a man from a different sport in his pro debut..

He failed miserably for me when I analyse everything..

poor performance from floyd, he's done imo, was surprised how inaccurate he was with a lot of the shots he wound up on.

Id imagine thats the end of mcgregor in boxing as from what i saw last night he's beating nobody of any note from 147 up.

Burial.

Floyd's iron chin and iron six pack along with impregnable defence and cat like reflexes and agility means he walks down and finishes any UFC fighter on the roster. Leg kicks would be useless against a guy who'll have counter punched you to the floor while you've one leg in the air about to land a kick. There's not a man on that roster than can deal with his wizardry.

Seriously though....are people actually discussing a potential fight in MMA involving Floyd Mayweather. Come back to reality lads. Might as well talk about what car will Floyd buy first with his cheque because it's as relevant as talking about him ever fighting in MMA.