Dublin North Quays - now double bus lane

22-08-2017 03:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually I came in in a car today and it was the most relaxed journey I've ever had, everything moving along steadily and the stress of dealing with moron lane jumpers who think they can save time was completely eradicated.

I've been saying this to anyone who'll listen lately, lane jumpers are an absolute pox on traffic in the city. Cutting in front of cars for a tiny tiny gain they'll lose again at the next set of lights, causing another lane jump. Not sure if anything can be done about it really? Solid white lines all over the place where no junctions or turns are upcoming?

22-08-2017 03:07PM

Natalia Scruffy Shortbread wrote: »

Solid white lines all over the place where no junctions or turns are upcoming?

Works well on the North Quays!

Stephen15 · 22-08-2017 04:38PM

One thing that needs to be done is a putting some sort of physical barrier between the two bus lanes such as a kerb or plastic bollards.

BonnieSituation · 22-08-2017 04:39PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

One thing that needs to be done is a putting some sort of physical barrier between the two bus lanes such as a kerb or plastic bollards.

Why?

magicbastarder · 22-08-2017 04:39PM

why?

Stephen15 · 22-08-2017 05:05PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Why?

To stop cars going into the bus lane maybe

BonnieSituation · 22-08-2017 05:22PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

To stop cars going into the bus lane maybe

But the lines are there?

magicbastarder · 22-08-2017 05:23PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

To stop cars going into the bus lane maybe

ah; you said to put them between the bus lanes, rather than beside them. which would mean buses wouldn't be able to switch between the bus lanes - hence the confusion.

BonnieSituation · 22-08-2017 05:26PM

I don't think it requires anymore obstruction. It's only day 2 of the whole system.

jimmycrackcorm · 22-08-2017 05:38PM

I almost didn't get off the bus at bachelor's walk this morning because I wasn't expecting it to get to the stop so quickly. Had to boot it downstairs before the doors closed.

We'll need ramps on the bus lane now to slow these buses down...

Muahahaha · 22-08-2017 05:42PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

So what difference does it make whether you're allowed use them or not

So why are you arguing that they should be shut 24 hours if there is no difference? There are far more private cars on the road at night time than PT, allowing cars to use them (as we do now) does not effect PT in any negative sense as there is not enough traffic so why not just continue on the way it is instead of making more hassle for motorists than need be? The 24 hour bus lanes we do have are already a joke, such as the one running past Ikea with no actual bus service running on it, not to mind a 24 hour one.

I am all for bus lanes where necessary but if we dont have a 24 hour bus service then 24 hour bus lanes are simply not needed. I dont know what gobdaw decided to throw 24 hour bus lanes across many parts of Dublins northside like Blanch & Finglas but it is a classic example of having fools designing infrastructure who are clueless, only an idiot would make a bus lane 24 hours with no actual 24 hour bus service in place yet that is what they did. All a 24 hour bus lane does is become a private road for taxis who are private transportation just like motorists are. Following that logic we should priortise one taxi at 4am and if there is a queue of 20 cars on the quays trying to make the 6am ferry then sod them, the taxi is more important. As it is now the powers that be allow bus lanes to be used after rush hour quietens down at 7pm which is a sensible decision and works without problem. Why create unnecessary hassle for motorists, just because you want to or something?

bk · 22-08-2017 05:49PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

So why are you arguing that they should be shut 24 hours if there is no difference? There are far more private cars on the road at night time than PT, allowing cars to use them (as we do now) does not effect PT in any negative sense as there is not enough traffic so why not just continue on the way it is instead of making more hassle for motorists than need be? The 24 hour bus lanes we do have are already a joke, such as the one running past Ikea with no actual bus service running on it, not to mind a 24 hour one.

First of all there are many buses and coaches operating 24/7 in the city. Aircoach is the most visible of these, but many others exist too, including Dublin Bus night link services.

The second reason is consistency. You simply don't want people getting confused about the time of operation of a bus lane. Much easier on everyone if it is simply 24/7 and specially if their is physical infrastructure in place controlling it (traffic lights, bollards separating lanes, etc.).

Thirdly, you simply don't want people speeding through the city center at any time of the day or night, it ends up endangering the lives of the pedestrians around and it causes a disturbance to those who live in the city. A single lane of traffic helps calm traffic.

BTW it is only a matter of time until we also get 24/7 city buses. It has been long rumoured.

Spanish Eyes · 22-08-2017 05:52PM

So it is working ok is it? That is great for bus users, at long last. They deserve it.

Well I haven't heard much vitriol from Conor Faughnan or the car park merchants, or indeed the car drivers themselves.

But I have been away from media, so who knows. Someone might enlighten me!

NuMarvel · 22-08-2017 06:36PM

Deedsie wrote: »

Are there any similar plans on the South Quays to improve journey times for buses?

There's a second bus lane on the south quays as well, between O'Connell Bridge and Grattan Bridge.

Stephen15 · 22-08-2017 06:38PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

So why are you arguing that they should be shut 24 hours if there is no difference? There are far more private cars on the road at night time than PT, allowing cars to use them (as we do now) does not effect PT in any negative sense as there is not enough traffic so why not just continue on the way it is instead of making more hassle for motorists than need be? The 24 hour bus lanes we do have are already a joke, such as the one running past Ikea with no actual bus service running on it, not to mind a 24 hour one.

I am all for bus lanes where necessary but if we dont have a 24 hour bus service then 24 hour bus lanes are simply not needed. I dont know what gobdaw decided to throw 24 hour bus lanes across many parts of Dublins northside like Blanch & Finglas but it is a classic example of having fools designing infrastructure who are clueless, only an idiot would make a bus lane 24 hours with no actual 24 hour bus service in place yet that is what they did. All a 24 hour bus lane does is become a private road for taxis who are private transportation just like motorists are. Following that logic we should priortise one taxi at 4am and if there is a queue of 20 cars on the quays trying to make the 6am ferry then sod them, the taxi is more important. As it is now the powers that be allow bus lanes to be used after rush hour quietens down at 7pm which is a sensible decision and works without problem. Why create unnecessary hassle for motorists, just because you want to or something?

I'd imagine they are 24h so motorists will get the message not to drive in the bus lane at any time.

jimmycrackcorm · 22-08-2017 06:56PM

24'hours bus lanes are useful for emergency services and taxis outside commute hours where there might be busy traffic.

Having said that, there's a relatively quiet section of road beside me that has a 24 hour bus lane but no buses use it at all.

NuMarvel · 22-08-2017 07:09PM

Deedsie wrote: »

And is this in place already or planned? These changes should be great for the nationwide buses too... they are always delayed getting out of the city centre. So people in rural Ireland really should be happy with these changes too.

It was brought in at the same time as the changes to the Northside quays, i.e. since Sunday.

AndrewJRenko · 22-08-2017 07:33PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

So why are you arguing that they should be shut 24 hours if there is no difference? There are far more private cars on the road at night time than PT, allowing cars to use them (as we do now) does not effect PT in any negative sense as there is not enough traffic so why not just continue on the way it is instead of making more hassle for motorists than need be? The 24 hour bus lanes we do have are already a joke, such as the one running past Ikea with no actual bus service running on it, not to mind a 24 hour one.

I am all for bus lanes where necessary but if we dont have a 24 hour bus service then 24 hour bus lanes are simply not needed. I dont know what gobdaw decided to throw 24 hour bus lanes across many parts of Dublins northside like Blanch & Finglas but it is a classic example of having fools designing infrastructure who are clueless, only an idiot would make a bus lane 24 hours with no actual 24 hour bus service in place yet that is what they did. All a 24 hour bus lane does is become a private road for taxis who are private transportation just like motorists are. Following that logic we should priortise one taxi at 4am and if there is a queue of 20 cars on the quays trying to make the 6am ferry then sod them, the taxi is more important. As it is now the powers that be allow bus lanes to be used after rush hour quietens down at 7pm which is a sensible decision and works without problem. Why create unnecessary hassle for motorists, just because you want to or something?

Do you often see queues of 20 cars on the quays in the dark hours when there are no buses running?

L1011 · 22-08-2017 07:35PM

The advance signage - or lack thereof - for the South quays changes caught me out on Friday. Hadn't driven down the quays for months beforehand and even knowing there had been changes I ended up in the wrong lane. Relying on on-road markings (that cars/buses can be on top of) isn't always the best option.

Radio Gold · 22-08-2017 08:41PM

I was down at the north quays today , so far so good, the real test will come on really wet weather days in winter time etc. However it will help both Dublin Bus and all the Inter city Express Coach services arriving into Dublin as some go on to the Airport as well. Also getting down the quays on the Inter city Express coaches to head out of town for the Motorways should hopefully be easier now.

LXFlyer · 23-08-2017 08:33AM

Deedsie wrote: »

Great stuff, hopefully they will extend it further down towards Heuston station where possible.

There are no plans to extend the double bus lane beyond Capel St Bridge at present.

LeinsterDub · 23-08-2017 08:54AM

Some great Schadenfreude today as the bus cleared the quays in about 2 minutes and the traffic was backed up to pass Capel St and especially when a motorists attempting to make a sneaky right turn at OCS was waved on by a guard

Ben D Bus · 23-08-2017 09:21AM

Garda presence at the turn off Bachelor's Walk on to OCB this morning.

At least one car had to quickly straighten up (then made a sneaky right turn over the Rosie Hackett). A guard strategically placed on the south side of the Rosie Hackett would deliver some well deserved karma

BonnieSituation · 23-08-2017 09:41AM

Bus absolutely flew in this morning. Hon the BUS GATE!

LXFlyer · 23-08-2017 10:22AM

Deedsie wrote: »

Thats a shame, prioritising buses and public transport is the only short term thing that is going to improve the public transport network.

The real issues were along both of the Quays between O'Connell Bridge and Capel Street Bridge due to the volume of bus stops in those locations and the fact that buses needed to pull out into general traffic to get past other buses at the stops.

That tends to be less of an issue further along the South Quays.

23-08-2017 02:28PM

Dunno if it was a knock-on effect or completely unrelated but on my way home yesterday the traffic on High St/Bridge St/Fr. Matthew Bridge/Church Street was as bad as I've seen it, all the way up to Constitution Hill and into Phibsboro.

bk · 23-08-2017 02:35PM

Natalia Scruffy Shortbread wrote: »

Dunno if it was a knock-on effect or completely unrelated but on my way home yesterday the traffic on High St/Bridge St/Fr. Matthew Bridge/Church Street was as bad as I've seen it, all the way up to Constitution Hill and into Phibsboro.

There was one major crash and one minor one yesterday evening that likely caused this. A car hit 6 pedestrians and it was a major incident, it looked like almost every squad car in the city scrambled too it *, along with lots of Ambulances and Firebrigades.

* I think initially they were worried it might have been terrorist related, given what happened in mainland Europe over the last few weeks, but it turned out to be a genuine accident.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/0822/899270-adelaide-crash/

Dantian · 23-08-2017 03:36PM

Its happening in every major city, no surprised and makes great sense.

Dantian · 23-08-2017 03:37PM

bk wrote: »

There was one major crash and one minor one yesterday evening that likely caused this. A car hit 6 pedestrians and it was a major incident, it looked like almost every squad car in the city scrambled too it *, along with lots of Ambulances and Firebrigades.

* I think initially they were worried it might have been terrorist related, given what happened in mainland Europe over the last few weeks, but it turned out to be a genuine accident.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/0822/899270-adelaide-crash/

I would say that was exactly it, they will be treating most like terrorist attacks until proven otherwise.

bk · 23-08-2017 03:43PM

Dantian wrote: »

I would say that was exactly it, they will be treating most like terrorist attacks until proven otherwise.

Yup, I was walking home at the time. 4 squad cars raced by at a speed and urgency I've never seen before. And this was on the other side of the city (completely different division), so clearly a call for all cars had gone out. I knew something serious was up, either gangland shutting or terrorist type incident. And then I got home and heard of a car crash and it is obvious why they were in such a hurry.

Of course it seems to have been an innocent accident, still terrible for all involved.

Dublin North Quays - now double bus lane

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