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Off Duty Garda shoots man

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  • #62
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Syphonax wrote: »
    If the guard was off-duty he shouldnt be carrying a gun and has no recourse to use it in force. Being off-duty means he is just a normal citizen and not a guard.

    Incorrect. All Gardaí maintain their statutory powers irrespective of whether they are on or off-duty.

    They are bound to their regulations 24/7 once they become attested members and remain so until they leave the service. In fact, Gardaí can face disciplinary action for not intervening in a situation while off-duty.


  • #63
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    Allinall wrote: »
    100% factually incorrect.

    ...im still waiting...


  • #64
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Incorrect. All Gardaí maintain their statutory powers irrespective of whether they are on or off-duty.

    They are bound to their regulations 24/7 once they become attested members and remain so until they leave the service. In fact, Gardaí can face disciplinary action for not intervening in a situation while off-duty.

    The courts might take another view.


  • #65
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Thats toally avoiding my point, yes they can carry guns but this would have nothing to do with their job, it would be personal to them.
    No, many Gardai carry their garda-issued firearm while off-duty, legally. They're not wandering around doing their shopping on a Saturday with a gun inside their jacket, but there are plenty of circumstances where they are off duty and in possession of their Garda weapon. Legally.


  • #66
    Sierra Oscar
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    Syphonax wrote: »
    The courts might take another view.

    It's specifically set out in legislation, so no, they won't take another view. In fact many people have been convicted by the courts after being arrested by off-duty Gardaí.


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  • #67
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    seamus wrote: »
    No, many Gardai carry their garda-issued firearm while off-duty, legally. They're not wandering around doing their shopping on a Saturday with a gun inside their jacket, but there are plenty of circumstances where they are off duty and in possession of their Garda weapon. Legally.

    Seems quite contradictory your posts, im sure certain cops do do their shopping with gun in toe. Are you following armed guards around the place to confirm your supposition ?


  • #68
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,667 ✭✭✭harr


    There are 5 or 6 units within the guards that carry firearms and a lot of those are not based at any one station so it's necessary bring his/her gun home.
    So a guard tackles 3 suspects and manages to take one down with a non fatal shot and people are calling for him to be fired, should be getting a medal in my opinion.
    Maybe she should have given him a hug and asked if he wanted to have a chat about anything....


  • #69
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    It's specifically set out in legislation, so no, they won't take another view. In fact many people have been convicted by the courts after being arrested by off-duty Gardaí.

    Ah legislation, yes never interrupted by courts in a different way !!!! I already said guards can affect arrests, SHOOTING people though im sure its not as plain as you make it out ot be


  • #70
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Seems quite contradictory your posts, im sure certain cops do do their shopping with gun in toe. Are you following armed guards around the place to confirm your supposition ?
    Ah, I see you're just a spoofer and a timewaster. So you assert that it's illegal to carry off-duty, but you assert that they carry it while doing their shopping. And then accuse me of making things up.

    Welcome to my ignore list.


  • #71
    XsApollo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    We need more of this.
    More armed units around the country and officers that can carry all the time.
    If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
    Might make the scumbags think twice.


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  • #72
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Syphonax wrote: »
    im sure its not as plain as you make it out ot be

    And yet you already have this guy thrown out of his job and being arrested.


  • #73
    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    The worst thing about boards is the amount of people who have very little knowledge of a subject but bash the keyboard and convince themselves that they have.


  • #74
    George Sunsnow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Seems quite contradictory your posts, im sure certain cops do do their shopping with gun in toe. Are you following armed guards around the place to confirm your supposition ?

    The bottom of the barrel of your argument need cleaning?
    Pardon the pun


  • #75
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    seamus wrote: »
    Ah, I see you're just a spoofer and a timewaster. So you assert that it's illegal to carry off-duty, but you assert that they carry it while doing their shopping. And then accuse me of making things up.

    Welcome to my ignore list.

    Why are you name calling me? is that really necessary?

    You posts is not answering the questions I put to you, you're just going off on a tangent.


  • #76
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Ah legislation, yes never interrupted by courts in a different way !!!! I already said guards can affect arrests, SHOOTING people though im sure its not as plain as you make it out ot be


    anything a garda can legally do on-duty they can legally do off-duty. If they are carrying an issued firearm off-duty they can use it as if they were on-duty. otherwise what would be the point of carrying it?


  • #77
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Ah legislation, yes never interrupted by courts in a different way !!!! I already said guards can affect arrests, SHOOTING people though im sure its not as plain as you make it out ot be

    You haven't yet said what you are basing any of your incorrect claims on.


  • #78
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    George Sunsnow wrote: »
    The bottom of the barrel of your argument need cleaning?
    Pardon the pun

    pfft the responses from so many 'knowledgeable' people on here is laughable.


  • #79
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »
    The worst thing about boards is the amount of people who have very little knowledge of a subject but bash the keyboard and convince themselves that they have.

    Any facts to back this up?


  • #80
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    seamus wrote: »
    No, many Gardai carry their garda-issued firearm while off-duty, legally. They're not wandering around doing their shopping on a Saturday with a gun inside their jacket, but there are plenty of circumstances where they are off duty and in possession of their Garda weapon. Legally.

    Seems a bit pointless if they are not allowed use them and we have a separate armed response unit.

    This is on the basis of the incident in Sligo where they claimed the unit was 42km's away.

    Could they not call on a few detectives to go down armed and control the situation?


  • #81
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    anything a garda can legally do on-duty they can legally do off-duty. If they are carrying an issued firearm off-duty they can use it as if they were on-duty. otherwise what would be the point of carrying it?

    OK so shooting someone without any backup while not on the clock will leave the inevitable court case open to no ridicule, yeah right


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  • #82
    Rushden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Rushden


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Ah legislation, yes never interrupted by courts in a different way !!!! I already said guards can affect arrests, SHOOTING people though im sure its not as plain as you make it out ot be

    With the way you phrase it you'd swear he walked up and just shot a random person, as if he was doing a hit on someone. I'd wait for more details but sounds like it was a shooting in the course of his duty. As others said there's numerous specialist units that have personal issue firearms that they carry off duty , if you did their job you would too


  • #83
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RasTa wrote: »
    Seems a bit pointless if they are not allowed use them and we have a separate armed response unit.

    This is on the basis of the incident in Sligo where they claimed the unit was 42km's away.

    Could they not call on a few detectives to go down armed and control the situation?

    Control how? By shooting people?


  • #84
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    If he killed a terrorist on his way to commit an act would the usual whingers still be giving out?


  • #85
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    anything a garda can legally do on-duty they can legally do off-duty. If they are carrying an issued firearm off-duty they can use it as if they were on-duty. otherwise what would be the point of carrying it?

    So armed guards are allowed to take the law into their own hands will not on duty??? hmmmm


  • #86
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    If he killed a terrorist on his way to commit an act would the usual whingers still be giving out?

    Same rules apply, even if he killed mother Teresa.


  • #87
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Syphonax wrote: »
    OK so shooting someone without any backup while not on the clock will leave the inevitable court case open to no ridicule, yeah right

    i can only presume that you are trolling. no other excuse for the shoite you are posting.


  • #88
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Syphonax wrote: »
    So armed guards are allowed to take the law into their own hands will not on duty??? hmmmm

    That's their job.


  • #89
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Syphonax wrote: »
    So armed guards are allowed to take the law into their own hands will not on duty??? hmmmm

    Eh, armed Gardai ARE law!


  • #90
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Syphonax wrote: »
    OK so shooting someone without any backup while not on the clock will leave the inevitable court case open to no ridicule, yeah right

    What if it was just 1 minute after his shift ended?


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  • #91
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    Rushden wrote: »
    With the way you phrase it you'd swear he walked up and just shot a random person, as if he was doing a hit on someone. I'd wait for more details but sounds like it was a shooting in the course of his duty. As others said there's numerous specialist units that have personal issue firearms that they carry off duty , if you did their job you would too

    I havent phrased anything, ive little details of the incident, as do you. Cops are above reproach though yeah? and there is no way he would abuse his position and weapon, right?!


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