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Off Duty Garda shoots man

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    #182
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    The way in which Gardare recruited, trained, monitored and disciplined.

    Anything independant to back up that claim?


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    #183
    Are Am Eye
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    The way in which Gardaí are recruited, trained, monitored and disciplined.

    Were they trained to fabricate a million fake checkpoints?


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    #184
    clairewithani
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    I wonder who Garda bashers hope will help them in a time of need.


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    #185
    Pwindedd
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    RustyNut wrote: »
    Yea, armed Gardai, the ultimate professionals...

    In fairness that's not a great example. No mention of weapons being drawn or fired - if anything it just proves that even while drunk the officers carried their weapons responsibly and handed in the weapons before shift ended. (The whole getting drunk and disorderly thing notwithstanding of course)


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    #186
    Are Am Eye
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    clairewithani wrote: »
    I wonder who Garda bashers hope will help them in a time of need.

    They're obliged to help everyone in the country. That's what they're paid to do. They can't elect to only deal with people who turn a blind eye to garda corruption.


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    #187
    corner of hells
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    RustyNut wrote: »
    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    2006

    Your point being?

    You brought the sole example up , how about giving us a few more examples to show us nothing has in fact changed.


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    #188
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    corner of hells wrote: »
    You brought the sole example up , how about giving us a few more examples to show us nothing has in fact changed.

    Why? is one example of armed gardai abandoning their post, drinking alcohol on duty and engaging in violent criminal behavior while carrying a state issued firearm not enough to show that they can not be trusted blindly as the poster I was replying to seemed to imply?

    What evidence is there to show that anything has changed since the incident I linked to. Did AGS not accidently shoot someone in the face recently?


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    #189
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    RustyNut wrote: »
    corner of hells wrote: »
    You brought the sole example up , how about giving us a few more examples to show us nothing has in fact changed.

    Why? is one example of armed gardai abandoning their post, drinking alcohol on duty and engaging in violent criminal behavior while carrying a state issued firearm not enough to show that they can not be trusted blindly as the poster I was replying to seemed to imply?

    What evidence is there to show that anything has changed since the incident I linked to. Did AGS not accidently shoot someone in the face recently?

    They sure did shoot someone accidentally in the face in a targeted operation against a criminal gang.I wasn't there myself but you know yourself in a high adrenaline moment tensions are running high and at the moment that's still being investigated.

    Youre quoting examples one of which is with GSOC which in fact acknowledges that things do change but in reality there isn't a lot examples at all.


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    #190
    clairewithani
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    They're obliged to help everyone in the country. That's what they're paid to do. They can't elect to only deal with people who turn a blind eye to garda corruption.

    Read the question. Who would they want to help them? Gardaí would do their job. Don't doubt it for a minute.


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    #191
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Anything independant to back up that claim?

    Plenty. Even more if you look at the changes since those two particular Gardaí would have been recruited and trained. I'll give you an example of two changes. I'll have a look for more later.

    Training: Total revamp

    Discipline: New Legislation


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    #192
    Are Am Eye
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    clairewithani wrote: »
    Read the question. Who would they want to help them? Gardaí would do their job. Don't doubt it for a minute.

    You don't think anyone should ever criticise gardai based on the fact they might require the services of the gardai. That won't lead to a very efficient police force will it when they can do whatever they want and as little as they want because they are immune to criticism.

    In the real world everybody is subject to scrutiny and standards of performance.


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    #193
    RasTa
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    My only real impression of the Garda is doing jury duty and I'm surprised some of them still have jobs. The judge fell asleep a few times for the 2nd case so I'm surprised she still has a job too.


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    #194
    clairewithani
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    You don't think anyone should ever criticise gardai based on the fact they might require the services of the gardai. That won't lead to a very efficient police force will it when they can do whatever they want and as little as they want because they are immune to criticism.

    In the real world everybody is subject to scrutiny and standards of performance.

    It's not that I don't think people should criticise gardaí but the amount of bashing of guards, teachers and medical profession that goes on in society gets tiring.


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    #195
    Augme
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    clairewithani wrote: »
    It's not that I don't think people should criticise gardaí but the amount of bashing of guards, teachers and medical profession that goes on in society gets tiring.


    If the Gardai didn't make a mess of things so often they'd probably wouldn't get bashed so often.


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    #196
    Spider Web
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    Much of the differing views in this regard boil down to whether a person views the guards as a collective, or individually.

    Only viewing them as a collective makes no sense to me though.

    Or at least if people could try to view them in both contexts.

    Grossly unfair on one hardworking, decent guard to be deemed the same as a crooked one though. And lazy, uncritical thinking too.

    I don't think Claire said nobody should ever criticise the guards either.


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